To read aloud
TENTH DIALOGUE
January 3, 1999
Peter: Today, I don’t have any specific question that comes to mind.
However, I would like to ask if You have anything to add or to clarify as
related to the content of the Ninth Dialog.
The Lord Jesus Christ: As a matter of fact, I do have something to
add. Thank you for asking Me that. In fact, today I would like to briefly
discuss three issues. They relate to something that transpired in your
three-way conversation with Rosemarie and Dan after they called you on
the telephone, following the reading of the Ninth Dialog.
The first issue relates to the topic of self-defense as related to you guys.
In this case however, it is not the common criminals or obvious negative
entities that we are talking about, but everyday types of humans with
whom you are required to deal and who may cause you all kinds of
problems and/or reactions that could be of a negative nature. Moreover,
it also relates to the problems that you encounter during your
interactions with your own friends, relatives and even with those who
read, accept and practice My New Revelation, or at least, claim to
practice it. Here, we are talking about the frustrating and irritating
behavior that some of them may exhibit in the process of interacting with
you. Such as, for example, not keeping their promises, being consistently
late for their appointments with you, avoiding you, not returning your
phone calls, telling you one thing, but doing just the opposite; or doing it
in an inappropriate and unacceptable way and many similar things that
they might do which are labeled in your psychiatric textbooks as passive-
aggressive behavior.
So, what do you do or how do you respond in these kinds of situations
from the position of your being the agents of My positive state? Let Me
refresh your memories and repeat it again (as you know, human memory
is extremely forgetful, unreliable and fragile): In Chapter 11 of My New
Revelation — The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ — it was
clearly stated that whoever is born on planet Zero, is born, first of all,
with many problems and, secondly, he/she is born into many problems.
In addition, during his/her upbringing, he/she acquires more problems,
which are subsequently internalized by him/her and become an integral
part of his/her lifestyle.
This situation establishes a condition, during which, a total identification
with these compounded problems occurs, effectively repressing or erasing
from one’s memory any signs of the original self-identity, self-concept,
self-image and self-acceptance and the way that individual was before
incarnating on planet Zero. Due to the fact that the individual in
question has no conscious connection to anything from his/her original
makeup, he/she is put into the forceful position of an imposition to
establish a false self-concept, self-image, self-identity and self-acceptance
built from the problems that, first of all, were integrally implanted into
him/her before and at the time of birth, and secondly, which were
imposed on him/her by significant others who brought him/her up from
the position of their own problems. So, a special adverse type of
treatment may occur, during which, he/she is treated from the problems
of his/her parents, teachers or any significant others, feeding him/her
with them and reinforcing his/her own problems.
Because nothing is available but problems for establishing the required
foundation on which one’s self-identity and self-image are built, one will
acquire an artificial self-identity, self-image and self-worth, full of
nothing but problems, which, in their essence, are unreal and unrealistic,
but which are considered to be real, feasible and the only ones available
to that one. Once such a false identity is established, and once that
individual fully accepts it as his/her own, that individual puts
himself/herself into the position of not having a choice but to relate to
you from the only position he/she has — from the position of his/her
problems. Unless that individual recognizes the problem of this setup,
and unless he/she starts to work on himself/herself and gets rid of his/her
problems, or at least learns how to control them, he/she will go
throughout his/her entire life treating himself/herself, and all others,
from no other position but the position of his/her problems.
This is one of the major sources of problematical relationships amongst
humans. From the spiritual standpoint of understanding the reasons for
this type of establishment, this is an illustration and demonstration to
the entire Creation of the nature of human life, which is rooted in
nothing but problems. Whoever agreed to participate in human life, also
agreed to this type of arrangement. In other words, as mentioned many
times before in all the books of My New Revelation, it is an illustration
and demonstration of what not to choose and how not to be.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of humans have no concept, awareness,
understanding or notion that this is the case with them and with their
human life. Therefore, they go around behaving in this problematical
way, treating each other in frustrating and irritable ways, causing
themselves animosity, envy, deception, cheating, lying, confabulation,
misrepresenting themselves to each other, breaking their promises, and
the many other negative and irresponsible things they do. Because
humans have no concept of why they behave as they do, they consider
their behavior, actions and how they relate to you, to be normal, proper,
appropriate and the only feasible ones.
So, what kind of relevance do these facts have on your relationship with
and treatment of these types of humans, or even your friends and those
who claim to be an integral part of My New Revelation? First of all, once
you know about these confounding facts, you avoid relating and treating
them from the position of your own problems, which you all have, no
matter what and how spiritually advanced you are. After all, you are in
the human life. You need to learn to recognize your own sensitive points
and problems and to work them out or, at least not to bring them, as an
important factor, into your relationship with and treatment of others.
This is not an easy task, knowing in what type of pseudo-life you are
situated at the moment. However, neither is it impossible to learn how to
avoid projecting your own personal problems into your interactions with
others.
Secondly, you learn not to expect anything from anyone or not to expect
from them to be the way you think they should be, behave and/or relate
to you or others. After all, do you really know why they are the way they
are? Don’t forget that all of you were raised with many externally
imposed suggestions, internalized by you, of how to behave, what to do,
what is expected from you and what is and is not proper from the
standpoint of the rules of your society, neighborhood, family dynamics,
gangs, sub-cultures and similar numerous factors. They are all
constantly impinging themselves on you, demanding that you follow their
rules, whether in a so-called pseudo-positive way or in an outrightly
negative way.
Your duty, as My agents, to which you agreed in this respect, is to be
constantly aware of these adverse factors that determine human
behavior, including many of your friends and the so-called followers of
My New Revelation, and to learn to illustrate and demonstrate the type
of attitude and behavior integral to the nature of the positive state. Your
attitude and behavior in this respect should be rooted in unconditional
love and wisdom. Your unconditional love requires you to forgive
unconditionally such behavior toward you. The wisdom of that love
requires you to bring to your friends’ attention — in a kind, loving, wise,
understanding, and sometimes firm and determined manner and/or voice
— how they behave and what their behavior is causing you and others. If
your friends recognize their problems in this respect, and show a
willingness to amend their ways, and subsequently amend them, you’ve
gained your friends, you helped them and you fulfilled your spiritual
obligation to them. If they don’t respond kindly to your intervention, you
let them go with the assurance that the door is always open for
establishing a relationship founded on the true spiritual principles rooted
in the life of the positive state.
In the case of your co-workers and other acquaintances who are obvious
agents and/or slaves of the negative state, and with whom it is
unavoidable for you to be in contact due to the arrangements of the very
nature of human life on this planet, and who are treating you with
contempt or in any other negative, irritable and frustrating manner, you
are to learn to accept the fact that this is the way they are and that
nothing different can be expected from them and that it is their mission
and assignment from the negative state to be that way for some very
important spiritual reasons. You interact with them as required by your
job or for whatever reasons it is necessary for you to interact with them,
and in the process, you treat them with the utmost courtesy and
understanding, limiting your involvement with them only to the nature
of the needed or required interaction. By your consistently kind and
courteous behavior, you are not only showing them what and how it is to
be an agent of My positive state, but ultimately you disarm them so that,
at one point in time, they will, perhaps, begin to treat you with deserved
respect. However, don’t expect anything from them in this respect. As
long as you treat them as suggested here, your duty and obligation in
this kind of situation has been fulfilled and you have done what you were
supposed to do. Nothing more is required from you in this respect.
Of course, you may say, Peter, and it is in your mind right now, that
being in the human skin, it is not easy to treat people like that.
Peter: I am sorry, You are very right.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Don’t forget, please, that before incarnating on
planet Zero, none of you was promised that it would be easy. And you
accepted that fact. You agreed to do your most possible best to be that
way. And in actuality, it is not as difficult to be that way as it seems, due
to the knowledge you possess about these issues from My New
Revelation. It would only be difficult if such knowledge would be lacking
or not available. But in your case, you are blessed, as no one else, for
having such knowledge. It will help you change your attitude and
behavior toward others in accordance with the line of the principles of
My positive state, which you represent on planet Zero.
Peter: I fully acknowledge these facts.
The Lord Jesus Christ: I know you do. Let us talk about the second
issue. It relates to the topic of your discussion with Rosemarie and Dan
about the way people are punished and experience retribution after they
arrive in the Hells. Some seeming contradictions were noted between
what was said about it in The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus
Christ and in these Dialogs. It was mentioned in the big book that, after
returning from planet Zero to their respective Hells, their agents are
rewarded by a greater degree of evils and falsities. The crucial word here
is “rewarded.” With what do you reward people if they deserve your
reward? With something valuable which is available to you. And what is
available to creatures in the Hells or in the negative state in general?
Only something negative, evil and false. So, you reward them exactly
with that. One of the many aspects of such a deserved reward is
retribution and punishment. Because in the negative state everyone is
after receiving rewards for their deeds, their nature is structured in such
a way that they desire punishment and retribution — it is their reward.
In this respect, you have to understand something that is extremely
difficult to conceive and to accept by your mind. How could anyone desire
something awful like that — to be rewarded with punishment and
retribution? The problem with your understanding of this concept is that
you look at it as something pleasant, delightful and desirable from the
standpoint of how a reward is defined and experienced in the positive
state. You cannot apply those kinds of measures to the negative state’s
definition and conceptualization of this term — reward. For them,
punishment and retribution are as pleasurable and delightful as a
positive reward is in the positive state.
In your human terms, you have a description for this type of situation, as
Dan so aptly pointed out yesterday. It is called sadistic-masochistic
behavior. It is also described in the books of the prolific Russian writer,
Dostojevsky, especially in his novel White Nights. In it, the hero argues
about what a great pleasure it can be, and is, to experience pain,
suffering and similar adverse feelings.
There is a special contingent of creatures in the Hells which specializes
in inducing ‘rewards’ of punishment and retribution in accordance with
the degree of evil deeds and the production of falsities that one achieved
during one’s tour of duty on planet Zero, or during one’s pseudo-life in
the Hells. Of course, these creatures are also ‘rewarded’ for their
‘venerable’ efforts of doing their job of ‘rewarding’ others with
punishment and retribution. In turn, they are punished by each other
and experience retribution amongst themselves for their ‘good deeds’ in
this respect.
So, as you see from this explanation, you cannot apply your
understanding of the concept of ‘reward,’ as well as of anything else, to
the negative state. Do remember please, that everything in the negative
state was set up by the pseudo-creators to be exactly the opposite of how
things are in the positive state. Otherwise, it would not be the negative
state. Thus, everything is perverted there.
Peter: This is very clear to me, but as You know, it is not easy for us not
to apply the same categories to both states — as we try to understand
and describe things that happen in them.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, but you have to train your mind,
intellect, logic and all other mental faculties to discern correctly the state
of affairs in either domain. Otherwise, you could find out that your
conclusions about things are either distortions or outright falsities.
Peter: Understood. You mentioned a third issue that You want to
discuss.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter. It is a brief one. It relates to the
concerns of Rosemarie as to whether the statements about food were
meant to be specifically personal, related to her. Let Me very strongly
assure everyone who reads these Dialogs that nothing personal is
contained in any of them and nothing personal will be contained in any of
them that will come in the future — whenever there is a need to continue
with them. The content of these Dialogs relate to questions of common
interest, to know things from the right perspective. Of course, it is upon
each individual to decide, through the process of self-exploration by
intuitive discernment, whether anything in them is applicable to their
own personal life or personal problems from the position of their general
consideration. If it is, it is up to their own freedom of choice and free will,
if they want to pursue it further and work on resolving their problems as
related to any statements that were made in the Dialogs. After all, these
Dialogs are made available for all of you to help you in any way they
could, or would, or in any way that you need to be helped.
Peter: Thank You for bringing these issues to our attention. I just
remembered that I do have one question; actually, it is not that much a
question but more precisely a request to elaborate further, if possible, on
some negative statements that the Bible, and the other so-called ‘holy’
Books, so frequently make. This is especially related to the issue of
eternal punishment, such as, for example, ‘unless you repent, you all
perish.’ How should we understand or interpret statements like that?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, as you know, Peter, from My New
Revelation, those kinds of books were written in the language of the
negative state because nothing else was available during the time of
their writing. If you live in midst of the negative state, if the only
language that has any effect on you is the language of threats, fears and
duress, and if there is no comprehension or even knowledge that any
other language is available or even possible; then, in that case, how do
you approach the inhabitants of the respective regions ruled by the
negative state, in order to help them realize the negativity and evilness
of their lifestyle? By using their own language. So, you clearly state to
them that their ways are bad, evil, wrong and dangerous; that their
lifestyle establishes a horrible predisposition to be thrown out of life
entirely or, in other words, to perish forever; and unless they change and
amend their ways, they are in danger of losing their privilege to have any
type of life.
Once you bring this fact to their attention, and once they understand and
accept the fact that their life is negative and evil, the next step is to
introduce them to the principles of life in the positive state. The best way
to accomplish this crucial introduction, is by the examples of the agents
of My positive state situated on planet Zero for that important purpose or
by the examples that I illustrated and demonstrated to them during My
life on planet Zero or by what is written in My various books of the Old
and The New Revelation. If they take heed and respond to such examples
and accordingly change their life, they will be converted to the positive
state.
But there is another point to this issue. Don’t forget that at the time
those books were written, the pseudo-creators and their crew freely
roamed planet Zero and had full control of all humans with the meager
exception of some of My agents who lived on your planet at that time.
Because of this factor, and due to the fact that no memory was available
to any of them about the voluntary status of their participation in
activating and being in the life of the negative state, it was necessary to
implant an idea in their mind which would bring about the awareness, in
the opportune time, that a binding agreement was made either to convert
to the positive state at the end of the life of the negative state, or to
perish to eternity — that is to say, to relinquish their personal and
individual life back to the Absolute Life of The Lord Jesus Christ. Of
course, as you know, Peter, from My New Revelation, someone who
would potentially not agree to convert to the positive state at the end of
the negative state’s life, would have never come into his/her being and
existence in the first place. A reminder of this nature — ‘unless you
repent, you will perish’ — prevents such a terrible fate from ever
happening to them because it will give them a way out of the negative
state. Without realizing the availability of such an important way as
that, there would be no incentive, not even a need, desire or will to
change. After all, why change or live a different type of life if I don’t
know or don’t have or am not aware of any other alternative, or how to
trigger and implement it? In that case, they would really perish for good,
forever.
So, those kinds of negative statements have a very important preventive
function. They will be utilized at that time to save everyone from the
clutches and lifestyle of the negative state. And this is all that you need
to know about it. Of course, there are some other important reasons for
statements like that, but it would be premature to reveal their
knowledge at this particular time. So, go in peace and have a very
pleasant rest of the day.
Peter: Thank You very much.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
