To read aloud
THIRTEENTH DIALOGUE
January 7, 1999
Peter: Before proceeding to any of my own questions, I would like to ask
You if You have anything to add to the content of the previous Dialogs.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, I do and I thank you for giving Me
this opportunity to do so. However, before proceeding to make any such
needed comments, first, I would like to remind you of what kind of date
this is. Today is your birth date. You have been on planet Zero for 65
years. And I would like to take this opportunity to express My personal
gratitude, thankfulness and appreciation to you for enduring on this
planet up to this day, despite all the turmoil, suffering, tribulation and
danger that you have experienced in the process of living here.
You know, Peter, what happened yesterday on the eve of your birthdate
is not by coincidence. You were tremendously surprised that when you
opened a birth date card from your sister Vera and her daughter — your
niece, you found a rather lengthy article from a prominent person in the
Czech culture — Karel Pech, titled ‘I am searching for Peter
Francuch.’ Mr. Pech, who is 83 years old, and who was a prominent
producer, director and actor of many television programs in the former
Czechoslovakia, is trying to find you. In that article he reminisces on
your encounter, sometime in 1961, at a remote mountain resort,
designated for prominent people in the performing arts. You were taken
there by your friend, the opera singer, Jan Marik, for a week of rest. At
that time, you were very physically ill. It was a respite for you from your
lengthy hospitalizations. You, as well as your friends, and even your
treating physicians, expected you to live only for a few months, if not for
a few weeks. Little did you know at the time that, not only would you
survive your ordeal, but you would enter the famous Charles University
and get your doctorate in psychology, psychopathology and history of
philosophy, becoming a clinical psychologist, escaping from
Czechoslovakia through Austria to West Germany and asking for and
receiving political asylum at the United States Embassy in Frankfurt,
then arriving in this country and, despite working as a clinician in
various hospitals, prisons and institutions with the mentally ill,
criminally insane and alcohol and drug addicts, you would become the
transmitter of My New Revelation, contained in your eleven books, and
now in these Dialogs, which can be considered to be your 12th book.
In his article, Mr. Pech goes on to describe, in very impressive and
detailed language, the ordeal that you experienced during your life in the
Soviet Union — as told to him by your friend Jan Marik, in your
presence. You were introduced to Mr. Pech as a philosopher who got his
‘degree’ in a Soviet concentration camp, which you considered to be your
true life university. Of course, being 83 years old, and being that the
encounter in question happened 38 years ago, Mr. Pech’s recollection of
those events is somewhat distorted, spotty and imprecise. But that’s not
the issue. The issue is the general idea of what happened then and why it
is brought to your attention at this particular time. So, in order to test
whether you were a true philosopher or not, being that at the time you
didn’t have any formal education, he asked you to explain to him the
difference between the philosophies of Aristotle and that of Plato’s.
According to him, you presented him with a half hour lecture on that
topic, which he recorded on tape. (Can you imagine the type of tape
recorders that existed at that time?) You have no recollection of that
particular lecture; but, for your information, it did happen, and Mr. Pech
does have a tape of your prolific lecture.
Peter: You see, this is the real problem. How do I know that, being 65
years old, my own memory about anything that happened in my life is
not a fantasy or distortion?
The Lord Jesus Christ: You don’t. But this has always been a problem
with you. This is the reason that, very rarely, have you liked to talk
about the details of your life or the dates when it happened and how long
it lasted because you have never been sure of whether what you tell
people about yourself is true, a fantasy or a distortion. You are almost
ashamed and embarrassed to talk about yourself. Your problem, Peter,
has always been that you underestimated yourself, belittled yourself, put
yourself down and considerably diminished the importance of your life
events. And yet they are all an integral part of My New Revelation,
reflecting the history of someone who was constantly harassed, many
times at the brink of death; many times restricted; many times in
despair, depression, misery and suffering; constantly watched and
followed by the infamous Soviet KGB, and later on by the Czechoslovak
State Secret Security; and similar adverse experiences; but who,
nevertheless, despite all that and more, succeeded in bringing about the
availability of My New Revelation on planet Zero and elsewhere. Do you
realize the importance of all of this? You don’t. But it is time that you do.
Don’t forget that your life in the Soviet Union — from the end of 1945
when you were 12 years old, to 1957 when you were allowed to leave that
country and join your family in Prague, Czechoslovakia — were years of
lockup, even without an actual lockup in the various Soviet prisons and
concentration camps; which lockup happened a little later on. Those were
the darkest, cruelest, most miserable years of your life. And Mr. Pech,
even with all those distortions in the dates and details of those events, is
helping you to reevaluate your life, to look at it with a fresh perspective
and significance, from the standpoint of the current monumental shift,
which you are in the process of experiencing.
Mr. Pech put out so much energy and effort all these years to find you.
And after he succeeded, he is humbly begging you to call him, to let him
know that you are still alive and doing well. He was very much afraid
that because he is 83 years old, he would fail in finding you. So, don’t you
think that it would be a matter of simple courtesy to pick up your phone
and call him, despite the fact that you are reluctant to do so? You are
afraid that he will publish another article about you in the Czech and
Slovak magazines, or put you on television or something like that. Well,
you can always say ‘no’ if you want to. It is your prerogative.
Peter: I am sorry. You are very right. Even now, I am embarrassed that
You are talking about me and not about some important issues of a
spiritual nature, beneficial to all.
The Lord Jesus Christ: But, don’t you think that talking about you is a
part of talking about important spiritual issues that could be, in some
way or another, beneficial to all who would be privileged to read these
Dialogs?
Peter: O.K., I surrender. However, I would like us to get back on track
and to address the issues that are on Your mind — if You don’t mind.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Very well, Peter. You are stubborn regarding
the discussion of topics from your personal life. But, to continue with this
Dialog. As I mentioned at the beginning, I do have some comments
regarding certain ideas conveyed to you in the Tenth and Twelfth
Dialogs. Let us begin with the issues of the Twelfth Dialog and following
that, we will address the issues of the Tenth Dialog.
At this point you interrupted our dialog and you called Mr. Pech. Do you
see what happened? Have you ever heard anyone be so full of happiness,
delight, pleasure and joy from hearing your voice and being able to talk
with you, to the point that he started to literally cry? And you wanted to
prevent him from having such an experience. Tell me, Peter, is it not
true, that whenever there is an opportunity, one of your duties and
responsibilities, as agents of My positive state, is to bring some joy,
delight, pleasure and happiness into people’s lives — even for a moment,
no matter who they are or what they represent; or by what means you
can do that for them? After all, there is enough misery, suffering,
sadness, turmoil and all other similar adversities on your planet, without
you contributing to them. Whenever you can break or interrupt such
adversities and bring the sunshine of your positive spiritual self, no
matter how, when or under what circumstances, you do that. By doing
that, you are bringing into their life, for that one beautiful moment, the
nature of My positive state. In other words, you are bringing Me into
their life, as the only source of happiness, joy, delight, pleasure and all
other felicities that are contained in Me in the absolute sense.
Peter: Yes, I see it clearly, following my telephone conversation with Mr.
Pech. And I am humbly asking for Your forgiveness for my reluctance
and stubbornness in this respect. Also, I am asking for Your help in
breaking my aversion to talking with people on the phone.
The Lord Jesus Christ: I gladly forgive and will help you. Now, to the
mentioned issues: Just a brief reminder regarding the treatment of
human ills by whatever method — traditional, conventional alternative
or unconventional. This is a reminder: Whatever method you choose to
apply in your life — whenever there is a need for it, if you get good
results from it, because of that, that result stems from the positive state,
thus, in an ultimate sense, it is the result of My intervention. I use such
external means to cause your cures. Don’t forget that I work in many
different ways, utilizing many different methods to accomplish My goals
in the process of treating people and help them whenever they ask for My
help. So, all those methods and professionals, as well as
paraprofessionals that are using their respective methods, regardless of
who they are, how pseudo-spiritual or non-spiritual they are, regardless
whether they are good or bad — by your definition of what good and bad
is, they can all be a tool in My hands to accomplish such goals. So,
neither overestimate nor underestimate such methods. As always, keep
your mind open.
If you look at such methods in this properly spiritual way, if you utilize
them with Me in mind, asking for My influence and My input into those
methods so that they are effective in their therapeutic properties, you are
nullifying any spiritual danger of being contaminated, polluted or
influenced by any negative pseudo-spiritual philosophies, or no
philosophies at all, that are behind them.
Peter: What about the good results of such methods with either the
agents of the negative state or humans who follow various pseudo-
spiritual trends propagated by their practitioners?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Results of that nature are still by My
permission. It is the impact of My Mercy and Forgiveness that constantly
radiate into the entire being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-
existence. Don’t forget the following important fact: By constantly
radiating My Mercy and Forgiveness, everyone and everything is
sustained alive and functional. Should these be lacking or stop radiating
from Me, not one sentient entity, and not one respective environment in
which sentient entities reside, wherever and whenever it may be, could
continue in their function for a second. The reason for this fact can be
found in the nature of the structure and dynamics of all sentient entities.
It stems from and is dependent on their relative condition. Because of
their relativity, the life of all sentient entities — no matter where or
when, no matter whether this factor is acknowledged or not by them — is
fully dependent on My Absolute Being and Absolute Existence. In the
condition of their relativity, very often, they fail to acknowledge this fact.
This is especially true regarding many humans and everyone in the Hells
and in the entire Zone of Displacement. Objectively speaking, everyone’s
life depends on acknowledging this Absolute Truth. If this is so, then
everyone who does not confess or accept this truth should
instantaneously die. However, the unceasingly and constantly radiating
sphere of my all-encompassing Mercy, Forgiveness, and especially My
Absolute Compassion, prevents them from this terrible destiny. They
continue to live.
From that sphere of Mine, the negative agents and humans who don’t
acknowledge this fact, very often derive a positive response during the
application of various methods of healing. However, because this positive
response is either not internalized by them or, in most instances, they
attribute it to the wrong source, it doesn’t have a lasting and eternal
effect, as is the case with those who acknowledge this fact and attribute
it to Me. In that case, either during their lifetime in the negative state or
on planet Zero, or after they transcend their current state and/or place,
the spiritually corresponding factors which caused any such condition or
problem in the first place, will flare up to their fullest possible extent.
They will still have to deal with it — no matter what. Does this answer
your question, Peter?
Peter: Yes, fully. Thank You very much.
The Lord Jesus Christ: In that case, let us continue. The second issue
that needs to be urgently brought out is the serious concerns that you
raised about some statements in the Tenth Dialog. The concerns are as
follows: What happens if some readers of that particular Dialog will
recognize themselves as the ones who have the problems of keeping their
promises, etc., as described in detail in the Tenth Dialog? They could be
hurt by that statement. As a result of that, they could become bitter and
stop communicating with you. These are the concerns you have. Are
these legitimate concerns?
If you carefully reread the Tenth Dialog, its statements in that respect
are made in the most loving, wise, considerate and compassionate
manner. They are stated for the sole purpose of bringing those types of
problems to their attention so that they are given the opportunity to
work on them and to do something about them, because they are
inconsistent with the nature of the positive state or with being My
agents, connected to My New Revelation. This is a very important issue,
Peter. Don’t forget the kind of times in which you are living. These are
times of tremendous changes and shifts. Everyone, and especially you,
connected to My New Revelation, have to establish a special type of
position, that determines who you are, why you are the way you are and
where you are on the road of spiritual progression and manifesting the
life of the positive state while living in the midst of the negative state.
The final decisions have to be made in many aspects of your life. The
reaffirmation and reconfirmation of your loyalties and preferences have
to be firmly established. If you are behind in this task, you need to catch
up.
The reminder in the Tenth Dialog is almost a last-ditch opportunity, so-
to-speak, while living on this planet, to amend your ways, to make
necessary corrections in the mode of your behavior and attitude, to
establish your priorities, to organize your thoughts, feelings, will,
intentions and motivation; to look upon yourself and to make a final
decision on which way you want to go; and to recognize that you are
unique individuals before Me. By doing just that, you are being
differentiated from those who don’t recognize their mistakes or their
negative ways in whatever mode or aspects of their lives they are
manifested. This differentiation is a very crucial factor during the
current shift. In some ways it can be compared to the Passover in Old
Egypt. When the ‘Great Tribulation’ — the pseudo-winning of the
negative state on your planet — strikes, you will be recognized as agents
of My positive state by those who will initiate and execute that strike,
and they will bypass you.
Taking these important factors into consideration, it would be very
spiritually dangerous and inappropriate to make any changes in the
Tenth Dialog or delete anything from it for the purpose of appeasing
those who might think that it speaks about them — even if it is done
only for the sake of those few who might be in that position and for no
one else. Should they be offended by it, well, it is their choice and
decision to respond in such a negative and inappropriate way. If they
reject you and do not want to continue to associate with you, whom are
they really rejecting? You?, or Me and My Words, which I spoke in
response to your question? Do you want to take away the opportunity
from them to reject Me and My Words? Don’t they have the right and
privilege to do so? Or do you want to deprive them of the greatest
possible opportunity to amend their ways and to be thankful and grateful
to Me and to you for bringing those issues to their attention? How do you
know if the reminder of the Tenth Dialog is not their last opportunity,
while on this planet, to change and to become My loyal and faithful
servants and your best possible friends and supporters?
However, let us assume for a moment that they’ll get offended and stop
communicating with you or stop being a part of your life in accordance
with the principles of My New Revelation. Such a decision would only
mean that they have already fulfilled their obligation and agreement in
this respect and that their continuation with My New Revelation and
with you would no longer be useful, desirable, profitable or spiritually
appropriate. Thus, it might constitute, at this point in time, even a
certain degree of danger for their, as well as your, physical and spiritual
life. Don’t forget please, that even if they fall away, as you would perceive
it, it would only be on a temporary basis — until the end of the negative
state or even sooner. After all, remember what was indicated to you in
Update 15? No one is ever lost, even the pseudo-creators and their
renegades. And how would you know if their so-called falling away is not
needed for some of their own important spiritual reasons? Or if the Tenth
Dialog is not a means by which that so-called falling away is triggered?
Do you see what I mean?
Peter: Very clearly. Thank You for this reminder. There is one more
question that I need to ask. It was posed by Thomas Oudal who lives in
Texas. He asked: How is the issue of Your Mercy and Forgiveness
applicable to those in the Hells, who don’t address You in Your New
Nature as The Lord Jesus Christ, which is the requirement to be saved
from the Hells, as indicated in Your New Revelation, but who turn
themselves to some kind of God, asking Him for mercy and forgiveness?
The Lord Jesus Christ: As you remember from My New Revelation,
after it was transmitted, many outposts were established throughout the
Hells which were staffed by My agents, specially trained and equipped
for that very purpose. Whenever anyone there turns himself/herself to
God, asking for mercy and forgiveness, at that moment, a staff member
from My outposts appears to them and instructs them on My New
Nature and how it can help them to receive My Mercy and Forgiveness
and get them out of their respective Hell. As you see, all necessary means
were provided for everyone in the Hells in order to give them the
opportunity for such a conversion.
Peter: Thank You very much. Is there anything else that You would like
to discuss today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: No, Peter, it is sufficient for today. We can
resume our dialogs either tomorrow, if feasible, or the next day. You will
know when. You do need to take care of some other business and you do
need to write a letter to Mr. Pech as you promised him in your phone
conversation. So, in the meantime, have a nice day.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
