FIFTEENTH DIALOGUE

January 10, 1999

Peter: Good morning, my Lord Jesus Christ and to all who are present.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Good morning to you, Peter; and yes, there are many present with us today — as every time we are dialoging.

Peter: Before proceeding with my question, I would like to ask if You wish to make any comments regarding anything You feel like.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for yielding Me the floor. I would like to make some comments related to your conversation yesterday with Heather Oudal of Rochester, Minnesota and Dan Barba of New York. The first comment is about the E-mail which Dan sent you the other day. It was an Internet news item about some British Church organization in England portraying Me as some kind of revolutionary, portrayed in the image and likeness of the Marxist “Che” Guevara. That church did that comparison in order to attract more humans from its respective community into their parish.

Can you visualize Me as someone like that, full of zealous murderous drive, destruction, burning hate, intolerance and self-righteousness, justifying such pseudo-revolutionary terrorist acts as were committed by Guevara and similar so-called revolutionaries? Portraying Me in such a manner is an integral part of that compromise, of which we were talking about the other day and which is being attempted by all existing religious systems on your planet in order to make Me be like someone I am not and never will be.

If you look at this attempt from the spiritual standpoint, you will notice that such a compromise, if accepted by the majority of believers, will lead them to believe not in Me and My true Nature, but in someone who in reality does not exist. This is exactly the purpose for which such undertakings and efforts are made — to make humans believe in someone or something that do not exist in the true reality of being and existence. In some ways this event only externally confirms the verity of our conversation in this respect.

The topic of yesterday’s conversation with Dan related to a Web page on the Internet developed by some prominent person in the scientific community in which he informs readers about his funding the preparation for the return and welcoming party for humans’ creators with his many millions of dollars. Of course, he doesn’t call them pseudo- creators because he is not consciously aware about the spiritual background of the whole process of genetic manipulation and engineering which was adopted by them in the process of fabricating the human race. In order to remind you again, let Me bring the fact to your attention that, before Fundamentals of Human Spirituality was published, which for the first time in the history of humankind revealed the information about the pseudo-creators and how they fabricated the human race, no one had ever talked about such concepts. Up to that point everyone, or most everyone, was convinced that humans were created either by God, or were the result of an evolutionary development from some kind of cosmic stew that accidentally produced life, culminating in the appearance of humans.

As the content of that book registered in the multiversal consciousness, and as the succeeding books of My New Revelation elaborated on that issue further and in more detail, that information became available to the human sub-consciousness, and from there, it leaked to their obscure awareness. Suddenly a plethora of news and information started to pour out to the public in all kinds of forms and shapes regarding this issue.

Of course, as always, information of that nature, as well as with any similar type of information, entered the human conscious awareness in a totally distorted and skewed manner. It is assumed that some kind of alien race created humans and that they will be coming back to introduce themselves to their products.

As you see, from this kind of understanding of the issue in question, the spiritual aspects and origin of these events are totally and completely disregarded or thrown aside as useless garbage. What does this tell you? It tells you that the negative state captured the ideas of The New Revelation, as so clearly foreseen and warned in the books of My New Revelation that it would exactly happen that way, and perverted them in such a manner so as to suit their needs to destroy any spiritual awareness in the human mind about this situation. And not only that, but to proclaim and to convince many humans that there were no spiritual factors that played a most substantial and significant role in the process of fabricating the human race and why such an act, leading to the activation of the negative state, was permitted to be realized by Me. Furthermore, the negative state can now say, “You see, humans, there was no God or Jesus Christ, or whatever Deity, that created you. You were created by us, by natural, external, materialistic and physical means, without any spirituality involved. And if you want to know, in actuality, Jesus Christ is one of us and not some kind of God or Son of God.” And this is what it is all about. However, let Me tell you something else about such statements and news that you read or hear on the Internet or in any other type of media. Although it is nice to have such external confirmations about the authenticity and verity of the content of My New Revelation; and that events like these will be happening in the manner foreseen and warned about in the books of My New Revelation, nevertheless, you should not be taken in by any of this. And not only that, but you should never base your acceptance of the verity of My New Revelation, and the verification of its ideas, thoughts, concepts, principles and precepts by such external, sensational and commercialized means. Such a need is of the typical human nature. As agents of My positive state, you are to avoid such an approach. Instead, you are advised to base your verification of its verity on your personal, individualized and private intuition, on pure logic and the rationale of its proclamations and ideas, seeing, feeling and recognizing that it is really so. This is the way sentient entities everywhere in the positive state do it. So please, on your planet, represent the approach utilized by the positive state.

Peter: Thank You for this reminder.

The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome, Peter. And now I would like to make some comments about your conversation with Heather yesterday. She asked you if I had given you any revelation on the structure of the positive state. Similar questions have been asked by some others in the past, especially by Dan. Well, it is time that we put this question to rest. The structure of the positive state is very dynamic. What does this statement indicate to you? That its structure is not something stationary, fixed, the same, unchangeable or unmovable. It is continuously being updated. At each junction of its occurrence, each shift causes profound structural changes in the fabric of the entire positive state. At that point, its structure transcends anything previously contained in the nature and structure of the positive state. Because of this factor, it would be difficult to give you a precise idea of how things are in the positive state. In a broader and general sense, you can derive some remote understanding of its structure from the structure of the negative state, in which you are presently residing.

As you know, originally, the structure of the negative state was patterned after the structure of the positive state — at the time of the activation of the negative state. By analyzing that structure, the pseudo- creators redesigned it in such a manner so as to make everything in the negative state be the exact opposite to how things are in the positive state.

So, in that sense, and only in that sense, the structure of the positive state does not contain anything that you experience in the negative state or on planet Zero. Because of that, you have no foundation in your experiential perception of reality that would even remotely enable you to recognize anything of the structure of the positive state. It is so unusual and wonderful that absolutely no idea of it can enter your mind, even in your wildest dreams.

However, there is another point to this issue. One of the reasons why you are unable to grasp the true structure of the positive state and its dynamics, is because of your typical human nature which impedes you from that ability. Don’t forget that the pseudo-creators put a special type of genetic code into your mind, brain and nervous system which prevents you from comprehending or apprehending the true structure of the positive state. Remember please, if you were to know that structure, the negative state would not have any chance to survive for too long. In that case, the question about life without Me and My spiritual principles could never be answered. On the other hand, if I were to reveal to you what the true structure of My positive state is, under your presently existing human conditions, the full awareness and impact of that knowledge would be of such tremendous proportions that most of you could not survive it. You would commit existential suicide. When you compare what you have, or what you live in now, with that which is of the structure of the positive state, your life on planet Zero would become totally unbearable and impossible. So, such knowledge would not be beneficial for you at this time — no matter what you think. It is for your own protection. You have to be patient a little longer — until you depart from planet Zero, but never before. And now, Peter, you may proceed with asking your own questions.

Peter: Thank You for Your comments. My first question has two parts. Let me bring its first part to Your attention. What is the verity and reality of the so-called human near death experiences and related matters? Whatever some humans claim in their books written about such experiences, or what I have personally heard from one of my co-workers who went through a near death experience himself, would seem to contradict what You say about it; meaning that it is a personalized and individualized event, and that no generalizations are possible in this respect. Yet, all of them describe almost identical near death experiences. How much truth exists in such claims?

The Lord Jesus Christ: First of all, we are not talking here about the actual death beyond which, no return is possible. It is not by coincidence that such events are called “near death” experiences. So, in this sense, you can be assured that no one who has experienced actual death beyond the point of no return, has come back and reported anything about how and what happened, following their actual and factual death. Let Me explain what actually happens in cases like that. When someone clinically dies, that person enters the first stage of the process of separation of his/her spirit and soul from his/her body. In this first stage, before a total separation takes place and when some connection to the body still exists, a return into the physical body is possible. During this stage, some people but not all, may have a certain type of experience that seems to be the same or very similar to all involved in it. You have to understand that there is a boundary placed between the area which can be called the pre-entrance area into the other life, and the actual entrance into the other life. Between these two areas there is a tunnel, or similar place, or a waiting area that while staying in it, one is prodded to return or to continue in his/her travel to the other side. The structure of this area is such that it is built from the personal expectations of what and how things should happen after death.

At this stage of affairs, it is permitted for humans to experience their expectations in this respect, in order to give them comfort and remove any possible fears and anxieties which they are prone to have during this time. These expectations are based, in most instances, on what they learned about it, either from their respective religions or what they read in books that describe such experiences; or what they themselves come up with, regarding this issue. So, when you enter that area, your brain releases the stored expectations about how things should be experienced at this stage, and your spirit and soul provide you with them for your own sake and comfort. If you expect to see light at the end of the tunnel, or radiant figures or even someone looking like Me telling you to go back, you will have such an experience. In this respect, your expectations are fulfilled. And please don’t forget that here we are talking not only about conscious expectations but also, and most importantly, about unconscious ones. Such expectations are recorded in the memory banks of the unconscious mind, which opens up at this stage. During this first stage, the unconscious mind is fully opened, and releases everything that was stored in its area of expectations regarding how things should be or how they should occur.

However, bear in mind that not all such experiences are pleasant ones. Usually, people talk and write only about the so-called positive, pleasant and transforming ones. You don’t hear too often, if at all, about the negative ones. Who would want you to know if they had a very unpleasant experience during that time? On the other hand, in most cases of this nature, no recollection exists about anything that happened during that time. So, here you have at least three possible scenarios and recollections: The positive one, the negative one and the comatose one, during which, nothing is remembered or experienced. How do you explain these striking differences? By the above mentioned principle of expectations or self-fulfilling prophecies — if you want to call it that way. Let us take, for example, the negative experiences, of which you don’t hear too often or not at all. How many books have been written about them? Almost none. So, what does this tell you?

Take, for example, someone who was raised in the Catholic Church and who, because of identifying and accepting that church’s dogma into their life, believes in hellish punishment in the literal fire of Hell and who is full of guilt for the real or allegedly sinful things he/she committed during his/her life on planet Zero. What kind of experience do you think that person will have in that pre-entry area following his/her clinical death? A very awful one; full of darkness, with demonic and ugly faces; at the end of the tunnel, a burning, unquenchable fire with sinners sizzling and crying in it with the most horrible cries and with these demons trying to drag him/her into that fire. This type of negative experience happens very often to the followers of the Catholic Church and to some others with similar doctrines. Just remember, what do you see in their churches when you enter them? What kind of pictures do they hang or paint on their walls?

On the one hand, there are those nice pictures with angels and their version of Jesus Christ with Mary, Mother of God presiding and radiating light and brightness; on the other hand, pictures of the Last Judgment with all those ugly, miserable, unworthy, putrid and rejected sinners being dragged down into the Hells, into its eternal literal fire, by those ugly, awful looking and bizarre demonic figures, with the devil and Satan in charge. You see these types of pictures from your early childhood to the very time you are having the near-death experience. Or even if you only saw them, let us say, once or several times when you were brought to church by your parents; or when, during your travels as a tourist, you go to visit all those pompous churches which are full of such pictures that are able to impress your conscious and unconscious mind to such an extent, that they will trigger within you anything that you think you deserve to experience during your possible near death experience. So, if you think that you deserve to experience punishment because of your guilt, for whatever reasons, I can assure you that your experience during that time will be a very unpleasant one. And vice versa: If you think that you have nothing to be afraid of, you will have a very pleasant one. However, if it doesn’t matter to you either way, if you are not impressed by any such stories, depictions, rumors, books or pictures, you will experience nothing.

Let Me illustrate this situation obliquely, by the experience that you, Peter, had a few months ago with a former client of yours. Although this is not a case of a near-death experience, but of actually dying, it can be useful in understanding this concept more properly. In order to preserve the confidentiality of this case, let us call her Nancy. Nancy was dying of a metastasized cancer that spread out to her entire body and to all her bodily organs. And no one understood, even her physician, why and how she was being maintained alive. One day she called you and begged you to come to see her, in order to put her in a hypnotic trance for the purpose of better controlling her awful pain. Although at that time you no longer practiced in your field, because of your compassion, you decided to help her. When you arrived at the hospital where she was confined, you saw a terrible picture of the suffering and the ravished body, and you knew at first glance that there was no way she could survive for too long. So, you put her in a trance and allowed her to experience My presence and the presence of some members of her spiritual family. At that time, through her, I told you the very obvious fact that she had to face the inevitable death of her body within two months or less.

Following that first visit with her, she was released from the hospital to her home, because there was absolutely nothing they could do for her in the hospital any longer. Upon her request, you visited her at home three or four times, shortly before her actual physical death. Personally, you wondered about what it was that was keeping her alive; or why she was so desperately clinging to this life, if there was nothing in her that would be able to sustain that life. At one point of your work, with her in trance, she confessed to you that she was absolutely horrified of dying and of being dead. So, being a cool clinician, as you have always been, Peter, you proceeded to explore with her why she was so afraid to die. Very reluctantly and with great shame, guilt and embarrassment, she finally admitted that many years ago, while being married, she had a one-night sexual affair with a man. And now, after all those years of carrying all that guilt within her, being a so-called good Catholic, she was afraid that she would have to go to Hell, and that she would suffer eternal punishment in the fire of the Hells for her one time adultery. What do you think, Peter, what kind of near-death experience would Nancy have?

Peter: The negative one, of course.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Exactly, Peter. Due to the fact that she was expecting to be eternally punished for her so-called adultery, her expectations would have come true during her stay in that pre-entry area. Fortunately for her, she had you to help her ask Me for mercy and forgiveness — as if there was anything to forgive in this particular case; and, because of that, she did experience My giving these to her; as well as that she was able to forgive herself for whatever she did or thought she had done. After that, following two days, she died in peace.

Peter: But what about the so-called positive experiences of this nature, which result in alleged profound changes and transformations upon the return of those individuals? Do they have any lasting results?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Such claims are made not only with positive experiences but also with negative ones. People get so scared and horrified by them that, under the influence of such negative experiences, they stop doing bad and negative things and become very charitable in the community, especially to their respective church. The Catholic Church, for example, loves and encourages such negative experiences because for that person, they confirm the rightness of the church’s doctrine, regarding eternal punishment in the burning Hells. At the same time, they make that person a faithful and loyal member of that church, or of whatever charity or organization to which he/she belongs. Does such conversion, change or transformation have any lasting effect from the true spiritual standpoint? Look at the situation this way: Under what condition did these changes or whatever, happen? Under the condition of impositions by one’s own expectations. An experience of that nature comes from the externals. It was imposed on that individual by the inevitability of that experience, which gave her/him no choice in the matter but to change.

As you know from My New Revelation, any change or transformation, or whatever happens under the condition of imposition, duress, miraculous experience, threat of eternal punishment, or similar imposing factors — whether good or bad, whether pleasant or nightmarish — does not take hold in one’s internals, where it counts. Because of this, individuals like that will still have to go through the process of making final choices upon arriving in the spiritual world; that is to say, after they really die by crossing the line beyond which no return to this life is possible any longer.

Peter: In that case, why are such experiences permitted to happen?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, Peter, look at it this way: What does that kind of experience tell them? That there is more to life than what they know about human life. In other words, it is a reminder that life is not limited to what they know about it or what human life is all about; but that there is something more, and even more realistic than their human life. It is a kind of first tangible introduction to the spiritual reality of life, be it in the positive sense or in the negative sense, respectively. And even though such experiences are spiritually not binding, because they are by imposition, nevertheless, they can be utilized as a reminder when they arrive in the spiritual world proper. These can serve as a helpful introduction into the reality of the other and different life, of which they had very little, or no proper information. Don’t forget, Peter, that the pre- entrance area into the other life — where they find themselves during their near death experience — is real; and you do see some things there that are representations of the forms and appearances of the real things, albeit in a somewhat distorted manner, distorted by the factor of imposed expectations. What they see has a corresponding counterpart in the true reality of the other worlds.

To be more precise, the expectations projected by them make the reality of that world appear in a manner that can be familiar to them, either in a positive or a negative sense. They are like temporary orientation points on which they are able to fall back and have some semblance of recognition as to what they knew, experienced or learned during their life on planet Zero. Otherwise, nothing would make sense to them. So, for that reason, regardless of how distorted and skewed their perception of that reality is, it is still a valuable experience because it provides them with the certainty of being alive and somewhat in control — whether they are consciously aware of that or not. At the same time, when they come back, that experience is utilized as a constant reminder that human life is not the only factor that has validity and tangibility; and that there is much more to it than what it can or may provide for them, than what they know and experience by their external sensory organs, or by what their science tells them or what they learned about it from any other sources. In this factor, and only in this factor, the near-death experience has some value. Don’t put more than that into it, and don’t be taken in by it either.

Peter: I appreciate Your explanation very much. And now the second part of my question. As you know, Heather, Dan and I, and some others, are curious to know if it would be permitted for anyone of us, especially for those that are so close, who are in love, have very close ties, or whatever, to communicate or to be consciously in contact with each other after any one of us is recalled to the spiritual world.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Excuse us for laughing, Peter. You and all of us were laughing when you asked the second part of your question. And the reason we were laughing was because we have known about that curiosity of yours all along since it came into your minds. We know about your eagerness to have such contacts and communications.

Now, look at it this way, Heather, Dan, Peter, and everyone else interested in this issue: No matter how close you are to each other, in whatever form of your relationships, what do you know about anything that was chosen and agreed upon between Me and each of you individually and personally?

How much can you ascertain if continuing such relationship beyond your tour of duty on planet Zero is feasible, appropriate or needs to continue?

What do you know as to what extent your relationship — no matter how close, no matter how beautiful, no matter how exemplary it was — has exhausted its usefulness, served its purpose, set up the example that it needed to set up; and that therefore, how do you know if continuing in it beyond planet Zero would still be useful and beneficial to you and to all? It could be that way or it could be a totally different way.

Due to the fact of the total individualization and personalization of this factor, and because it is between Me and each one of you, the answer to this question is that, in some cases it might be permitted and in some cases it would not be permitted. It all depends on the nature of your mission, assignment and the need to have such communication.

So, because of that, it would be advisable for you not to expect anything; not to give each other promises that, if you go to the spiritual world first, by all means, you will make contact with each other.

You have no notion about what you have to go through or what is going to happen to you, or how busy you will become, or whatever state you will be in, that may or may not put you in a position to be able to make such contacts. So, simply stated, always keep your mind open to any possibility in this respect.

To accept humbly whatever the outcome will be regarding this issue; to rely on My decision and My Will for each one of you; to recognize that only I know in an absolute sense what the best is for you in all situations, states and conditions of your life — this is what a wise agent of My positive state will do. Nothing more can be said about this issue at this time. And now, I would suggest to finish for today.

Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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