SEVENTEENTH DIALOGUE

January 12, 1999

Peter: During my early morning meditative walk, the issue of dying, death and near death experience was raised again. Does it mean that You would like to offer some further clarification on this issue? Some other questions came to my mind related to this issue and to some statements in the Bible related to it, as well as Swedenborg’s experiences in this respect. Should we address them in this Dialog?

The Lord Jesus Christ: By all means, Peter, by all means. The question in your mind is about the possible discrepancies that exist between the common features in the process of death and subsequent resurrection, and My statement about the personalization and individualization of this process.

In this respect, you have to distinguish between three factors: The first one relates to the mode or manner by which one dies on your planet. It is in this mode or manner that the individualized and personalized factor is manifested the most. How and in what manner people die, depends on the agreement between Me and them. As you know, some people die of old age, some, through a prolonged physical illness; some, in some type of accident such as an auto crash, airplane crash, earthquake, fire, assassination, shooting, wars, execution and in many other similar ways. The other point in this first individualized and personalized factor is the unique experience that everyone goes through in the process of dying. Not one person exists who would have the same subjective or inner experience in this process. The reason for this part of the discussed factor is that each individual manifests unique experiences in the process of dying, which are recorded in the Universality-of-It-All, or Guardian-of- Forever, for the purpose of everyone learning from all the nuances of that process and what it means, or how it feels to have such experiences.

The way you have to understand this statement is that the process of dying and death is an unknown factor for those inhabitants of the positive state and Creation in general who have never incarnated on your planet. As you know, death and dying are the invention of the negative state. They are integral components of the nature of the negative state. Such a phenomenon does not exist anywhere. The specificity, uniqueness and all the minutest details of the process of dying and death reflect a very important factor of life in the negative state. Due to the fact that the nature of the negative state has to be manifested in almost infinite varieties of manners and ways, and because, it is likewise individualized and personalized in its manifestation and actualization, it was necessary to allow this unique, unusual, unrepeatable and non-duplicable manner in which humans experience the process of dying and death itself. That way, an important aspect of the true nature of the negative state is being continuously manifested and provided for the learning of all in the entire being and existence.

It is said above that the nature of the negative state has to be manifested in almost infinite varieties of manners and ways. The word ‘almost’ indicates the fact that the negative state is relative, transient, temporary and perishable. It does not have the option to continue forever. However, in the process of manifesting all aspects of its nature, it requires the gradual exposure of all facets of its ugly face. As mentioned in My New Revelation, sudden exposure of its entire nature would cause an unbearable and insurmountable burden to all in being and existence. Because of their relative condition, they could not take in the entire experience of what it means to be negative, evil and to live in distortions and falsities. In that case, they would cease to exist. This is the reason why it is taking so long, almost millions of years in your planetary time, to illustrate and demonstrate everything about the nature of the negative state.

The second factor of this issue relates to the process of resurrecting someone who has just died. It is during this process that some commonalities may be found. These commonalities relate solely to the fact that resurrection means the infusion of new life. Due to the fact that life always generates from the Source of The Absolute Life — Me, The Lord Jesus Christ, it is I Who resurrects humans either personally or through a specially appointed contingent of angels who are trained and assigned personally by Me to provide such important services. As you know, the process of resurrection is a process of the positive state. Only in the positive state, and by the positive state, true life may occur and be fully manifested and experienced.

However, the commonalities of this factor end right there. The experience, perception, feeling, thoughts, sensation and all other factors of that process are always unique, individualized and personalized. No two experiences are alike in this respect.

The third factor of this issue relates to what happens after the resurrection is completed. This is the factor that has the least things in common. There are so many possibilities and varieties of experiences that it would be futile to attempt to describe them. Each individual goes through his/her own, very personal and unique, experience in this respect. This is the state of one’s personal Last Judgment. Its results determine the choices and subsequent placement of the respective individual into his/her own state and condition.

Peter: What about Swedenborg’s description of the process of dying and resurrection, as well as the description of the mode of life following that process? Is it still valid?

The Lord Jesus Christ: As you know, Peter, Swedenborg was put into a seeming state of death with the preserved ability to consciously observe and record that experience. The angels who performed that process on him were made to believe that he had actually died. The process in itself, as experienced and described by Swedenborg, is a good approximation of what happens during that time, in some cases, but not in all of them. Nowadays, with all those tremendous and fundamental changes, things can be very different. So, in this respect, we cannot make any generalizations either. However, what Swedenborg experienced is in concordance with what was said above about this issue — I am the One, either personally or through My special types of angels, Who performs the act of resurrection. In his case, it was My angels who did it. Basically, Swedenborg’s description relates to the process of bringing the breath of one’s lungs, the beat of one’s heart and the awareness of one’s brain into alignment with the sphere and atmosphere of the intermediate world or, what he used to call, the World of Spirits. Don’t take the words ‘lungs,’ ‘heart,’ and ‘brain’ literally. Those are not the physical entities that are perceived and understood by your physical conceptualization, or as being physical in nature, which reside within your body. They are spiritual correspondences of something in the World of Spirits which approximates that which is known to you as the physical lungs, heart, and brain.

However, his description of what happens afterwards has changed considerably. In fact, nothing is the same as it used to be during his time. On the other hand, if you carefully analyze the lifestyle of that World, the way Swedenborg described it or as it really was at the time of his description, you will notice an interesting parallel between what was happening there at that time and what happens during the so-called ‘near death experience’ — as described by some humans. In both instances it is a state of expectations. The inhabitants of that World, as well as the persons with the near death experience, lived in the illusions of their expectations. From their personal expectations they built a lifestyle and their own personal environment, congruent to their expectations, believing that they were living in the real world and that no other existence was possible or conceivable, except what their expectations provided for them.

At the time of Swedenborg, the World of Spirits, or what is now called the Intermediate World, had that function — to allow humans to manifest and experience a mode and style of life in accordance with their expectations. As you know, after their own Last Judgment, which Swedenborg witnessed, the nature of that world changed completely. No longer can anyone live there in accordance with their human expectations. The factor of expectations was shifted to the pre-entrance area, as perceived and manifested in the near death experience. The only difference is that, whereas at the time of Swedenborg, the life in the expectations could last for many centuries (until Swedenborg’s time), in the pre-entry area it is very brief, lasting only to the moment when the just died person crosses the line beyond which no return is possible.

As you know, Peter, it is beyond this line where no one knows what is going on or what is happening. The reason why it has never been permitted for anyone to come back after crossing that line, is in the fact of the absolutely individualized and personalized experiences that everyone goes through. If someone were to return after crossing it, and describe the experiences that took place there, it would negatively condition humans to expect the same type of experiences or events. They would be imposing their expectations on that process, impeding the works of My Divine Providence which relate to their future destiny; and would be interfering with the revelation of who they are and why they were in the human life on planet Zero in the first place; effectively and unnecessarily prolonging their placement into their ultimately chosen state and condition. There are some other vital and most important reasons why such a return is not possible after crossing that line. However, they are of an absolute nature which cannot be revealed to you because of your relative condition. No relative mind could fully grasp why it is so.

As you know, Peter, one of the most vital and crucial works that takes place after one crosses that line of no return, is the most essential discovery of one’s true nature, stripped of all the impositional factors that were acquired during life on planet Zero and from living the so-called human life. All roles, masks, layers of attachments, wrong identities, wrong self-concepts, wrong self-images, wrong self-perceptions, wrong self-acceptance and wrong self-understanding; and similar inappropriate and unreal factors about oneself, have to be removed and eliminated so that the original nature, as it was created by Me, or fabricated by the forces of the negative state before incarnating on planet Zero, whatever the case may be, could be re-acquired, properly manifested and put into the position of further important choices. Such work, because of its complexity and importance, may take a long time from the standpoint of your planetary conceptualization of time. The length of this work depends on the degree and extent of how much one identified with all those roles and other impositional factors of the human life. The more and stronger the identification, the more intense work that needs to be done and the longer it takes. And vice versa: The less and the weaker identification, the less work that needs to be done and the faster it is completed.

At this point of one’s condition after death, one is given a choice either to undergo this vital and crucial process in the New School — which choice indicates joining the positive state — or somewhere else (a better word to use in this respect would be ‘some state else’ in order to avoid the spatial- temporal connotation of its meaning). In that case, the temporary choice was made to join, for the time being, the negative state in some of its Hells.

A somewhat different situation exists with the agents of My positive state, incarnated on planet Zero, who are not connected to My New Revelation overtly during their tour of duty on it. Also, a somewhat different process takes place with those of My agents on planet Zero who are connected to My New Revelation overtly.

In the case of those agents of the positive state who are not overtly connected to My New Revelation, their overt connection to it has to be established first. From that position, from the acquired knowledge of its content and its principles, by that knowledge and by those principles, all contamination, pollution, poisons, and everything else of the typical human nature that clung to them during their pseudo-life on planet Zero and which they brought with them to the spiritual world, are detached and removed; their original memories, true identities and agreements they had with Me are revealed, and they join the home base from which they originated and from which they incarnated on planet Zero.

Those of you who are overtly connected to My New Revelation, and who are privileged to have all the knowledge about these issues and about everything else contained in My New Revelation, are put into the position of being decontaminated from everything typically human. Your memory is opened to everything else of which you didn’t have any conscious awareness, such as, for example, your true identity, the nature of the world from which you incarnated on planet Zero, and similar important matters. During that time, a determination is made as to what extent your life on planet Zero was congruent with what you knew and were aware of and how much you adhered to the principles of My New Revelation during your tour of duty on your planet.

By and large, those of you who are overtly connected to My New Revelation, have a much more shortened period to go through in this important process and in finishing it than anyone else. In some cases, that process could be as short as a few hours or a few days, depending on the degree and extent that you identified with and clung to the attachments that you brought with you from planet Zero; or how much you liked being in your human life. Does anyone of you like being in your human life? What a question! We are joyfully laughing — all of us.

Talking about laughter. Perhaps, some sensitive individuals, in their typical human attitude, might perceive our laughter as something inappropriate, even offensive. In the positive state, laughter always means joy, delight, pleasure, happiness, elation, and similar very positive emotions expressed through it. It never means laughing at someone or something, or putting someone down, or ridiculing someone. Such negative emotions are unknown to anyone in the positive state. It never even enters anyone’s mind.

But to go back to the experiences of My agents connected to My New Revelation after they are resurrected. As mentioned on numerous occasions, many things that apply to the majority of individuals, very often don’t apply to you who are connected to My New Revelation. Things can be much different for you. Don’t ever underestimate what you know, what is available to you, and what your position is on planet Zero. No matter how outwardly you look the same as anyone else, no matter how you feel about yourself from the position of your external self-perception, no matter what kind of position you occupy in human life, no matter how important or unimportant you seem to be to other humans or even to yourself, due to your connection to My New Revelation, if you practice its principles, laws, ideas and concepts in your life for their own sake without expecting anything in return, you are able to bypass many things which otherwise would be inevitable for you to go through. So, don’t ever generalize or apply or expect anything to happen to you that can and may happen to others in this respect. Some of it may happen that way and some of it may happen in a totally different, even unexpected, way.

After you go through the process of resurrection and through what was described in your case as My agents connected to My New Revelation, it is at this point that a decision and a choice is made whether it would be beneficial and useful for some of you to become members of someone’s spiritual family. Those of you who are strongly connected by love, affection, deep friendship and similar important factors, and, of course, most importantly, by My New Revelation, and who served Me on planet Zero in the roles of exemplifying and demonstrating life in accordance with the principles of the New Revelation, will become members of the spiritual family of that person who remained behind on planet Zero.

It is logical and prudent to assume that this type of connection which existed on planet Zero between some of you, may need to continue, even after one of you is recalled, in order to maintain the line of work which was undertaken from the position of planet Zero, and which needs to proceed from a different angle, on a different foundation, with a different content, involving active participation from both directions simultaneously — from the spiritual world and, at the same time, from planet Zero. Remember what I told you in one of the Updates in the Corollaries...? You will also be helping from that position — from the other side — in the process of eliminating the negative state. How do you think such help is procured? Among many other things, it happens after you are recalled by your becoming a member of the spiritual family of the one who stayed behind.

It is in this role, as a member of someone’s spiritual family, that you will be able to communicate with each other on a continuous basis — in whatever mode such communication is available to you. As you know, Peter, such a connection, from both ends, may already happen while you are still in the human life. For example, you, Peter, because of your multiversal connection and your unusual position, are serving in that capacity for many who are involved, in some way or another, with My New Revelation on planet Zero and elsewhere. How much more such a connection will be maintained by all of you who will be engaged in the work of eliminating the negative state after you are recalled! Do you see now why it was emphasized that a different situation exists with those agents of My positive state who are connected to My New Revelation on planet Zero than with anyone else?

When we were talking about this issue at the end of the Fifteenth Dialog, we were talking to the entire being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, as well as to all humanity through their unconscious awareness. Because of that, it was very important to say things about it as they were said in that Dialog in order to convey to everyone everywhere the idea of not expecting things to happen the way their imposed expectations would want them to happen. The fulfillment of such expectations would be very spiritually dangerous for all. Those statements, as well as all others — and we are repeating this again!— should never be taken personally or applied to one’s personal situation. In a personal connotation, they may or may not be that way. On the other hand, when we are specifically talking about My agents on planet Zero, connected to My New Revelation, their situation may be quite different because of their specific choices and assignments. Don’t forget an important fact: Why did the pseudo-creators decide to recede from their intent to destroy planet Zero? Primarily and most importantly because of you, My agents connected to My New Revelation. They pointedly noticed that there was something very different about you, something that didn’t fit into their image of how a typical human should be. So, you see, you are not typical humans. Because of that, many things don’t apply to you. At this point I would suggest that we continue with this topic tomorrow — if possible and feasible.

Peter: Yes, with gladness, we may continue tomorrow. Thank You very much for this information.

The Lord Jesus Christ: As always, you are welcome, Peter. Until tomorrow then.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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