To read aloud
EIGHTEENTH DIALOGUE
January 13, 1999
Peter: Are we ready to continue with the discussion of yesterday’s topic
contained in the Seventeenth Dialog?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, we are.
Peter: In that case, talking about communicating with the departed
ones, in whatever mode or manner, could You elaborate on the
phenomenon of mediums in the séances of the so-called spiritists, when a
medium is used through whom one can allegedly talk to a departed one?
What does really happen during such séances?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Let Me go a little bit into the historical
perspective regarding spirits and communicating with them from your
human position — before answering your question directly.
As you know, Peter, before My First Coming to planet Zero, it was not
uncommon for beings from the spiritual world — both from the positive
side as well as from the negative side, respectively — to appear or to
walk on your planet. At that time, many humans were able to see them
and talk to them, whenever the need arose. The reason for this
phenomenon could be found in the position in which humankind was at
that time. Planet Zero was ruled by the pseudo-creators and their
minions. The pseudo-creators also had full access to the positive state;
and of course, to balance things out, the inhabitants of the positive state
had full access to planet Zero and elsewhere in the Zone of Displacement.
The factor of this access was founded in the condition of inevitability and
no freedom of choice for humans. Because of this factor, anyone could and
would influence their lifestyle. For a time, this human situation was
permitted by Me in order to illustrate to the entire Creation, what life
would be like if it were not based on freedom of choice but on imposition
and inevitability. Of course, it was an awful life. In the process of
illustrating other types of lives, before the fullness of the positive state
can be activated and put into motion, the very first mode of life which is
activated is the life of impositions, inevitability and no freedom of choice.
After the completion of this phase of manifestation, the second type of
life which is activated and put into motion is the life in which the
negative state is chosen by free choice and not by imposition.
As you know, Peter, My First Coming to planet Zero heralded the end of
the first type of illustration and the beginning of the second one. In the
process of the first type of life, because of its impositional nature, the
appearance of beings from both sides had to be permitted in order to
exert influence on human behavior and their lifestyle. For that reason,
humans not only could see, hear and interact with such beings, but many
of them were severely possessed by demons.
However, there is another point to this issue. In order to make possible
such a phenomenon as seeing, hearing and communicating with beings
from other dimensions, the wiring of the brain and the human nervous
system was somewhat different than it is now. At that time, the human
brain was not as developed as it is now. The brain’s so-called gray
matter, the seat of rationality, logic and intellect was limited in scope
and function. A better way to put it is to say that certain areas of the
human brain were not fully activated — those related to the function of
the gray matter. On the other hand, those areas of the brain which
enabled humans to have such experiences were fully activated. This is
the reason why it was so easy to influence humans by beings that were
able to manipulate the perceptive and receptive abilities of their brain.
The lifestyle of impositions and inevitability required such an
arrangement. During My First Coming to planet Zero, I initiated a shift
in the human neuro-physiological condition by the gradual closure of
those areas of their brain through and by which they could be imposed
things contrary to their freedom of choice. You have to understand,
Peter, and all who read these words, that all these activities and efforts,
whatever is described here, is accomplished by rearranging the spiritual
correspondences which relate directly to the brain function we are
talking about. This is not done by some kind of surgical or other type of
physical procedure. It is done by spiritual means, which have a cause and
effect on the respective areas of the brain and the nervous system. In
other words, by closing one area of the brain and opening some others.
Because this process takes place from the non-temporal and non-spatial
continuum, when it is applied to planet Zero, it yields to the laws of time-
space which rule the events in human life. Because of this factor, such
changes are gradual, slow and take time.
For that reason, the impact of that closure didn’t happen overnight, so-
to-speak. In your time, it took many years before the process was
completed. Because of that, some people were able to initiate such
communication with spirits from other dimensions even after the
complete closure. As time went by, the occurrence of such
communications became less and less until the prohibition of these types
of contacts set in completely. Only very few humans were allowed to
continue having some semblance of such contacts. At this point in time,
only severe mental illness may open those areas in question and, of
course, young children may still have such an ability for seeing and
hearing things in other dimensions before they yield to the requirement
of their culture, and before fully developing their brain functions. The
reason why it was prohibited to maintain such contacts, or to be
possessed by demons as the manner was before My First Coming, was in
the fact of the abolishment of impositional factors and inevitability, and
the institution of a lifestyle by freedom of choice. You cannot very well
have such freedom if you are influenced by entities who far surpass you
in all aspects of your life.
Once the full condition of this new lifestyle was established and set in,
and once the choice-making effort by free will and choice was fully
manifested for the learning of all, another shift took place. The nature of
that shift — which began during the development of the principles of
your spiritual hypnosis, Peter, — required reopening the doors to the
other dimensions in order to bring to some humans’ awareness the
existence of other realities and their connection to them. The first contact
in this respect was made at that time (late seventies of this century). But
notice please, the difference between the former mode of contact and the
one that you developed and instituted, Peter, with My blessing, of course.
Whereas in the first instance, in most cases such contacts were by sole
imposition — especially in cases of possession — in your approach to this
matter, the procedure was based on asking your true Spiritual Mind —
in which was My presence — for permission and to establish the
appropriateness, need and suitability of such contacts and
communications. At the same time, such communications and contacts
were only limited to the members of one’s true spiritual family who
always functioned from the position of one’s freedom of choice and of no
impositions. In order to assure that you were in contact with them and
no one else, elaborate security checks were developed for that purpose.
The major reason, albeit not the only one, why it was necessary to reopen
the doors to access the other dimensions, was in the nature of the shift
itself which was taking place at that time. The shift was for setting up
the conditions to prepare for the completion of My New Nature; for the
release of the pseudo-creators and their return to planet Zero; for the
condensation of the negative state in order that it should win temporarily
on your planet; and for the preparation of the final phase of My Second
Coming. It was also for a gradual reintroduction of some selected
humans to the reality of the spiritual world — which reality they had
lost; as well as for activating My agents on your planet who would be
connected to My New Revelation, which was in the process of its very
first installments; as well as activating My other agents; and in order to
trigger in them the awareness of the assignment and mission which they
received from Me before incarnating on planet Zero — to be a bridge and
translation in both directions, from and to the positive state and
elsewhere, and from and to your planet. Obviously, if you are not aware,
or have no experiential perception that such worlds and their sentient
entities even exist and are connected to you, you cannot very well be a
bridge or translator to or from them. However, bear in mind please, that
such openings not only apply to My agents, whether they are or are not
connected to My New Revelation, but also to the agents of the negative
state and their minions who were reawakened from their dormant
condition and reactivated to do the work and assignment that they
accepted from the rulers of their respective Hells. This effort is an
integral part of the dense condensation of the negative state.
At this point we can close our short detour into the history of this issue
and return to your question, Peter. As you know, the issue was always
very controversial with mediums and their contact with departed ones, or
with whomever. This was widely practiced before My First Coming. As
you know, it was prohibited within the Israelite nation; and the humans
of that nation who practiced it were put to death. The reason why such a
harsh punishment was instituted in Israel at that time, was due to the
factor of representation, which the Israel of that time had. It was the
only nation that had My Word. It was necessary to establish a
comparison between someone who relies solely on My Word and someone
who relies on the imposition of spirits.
As you know from the history of the very first king of Israel — Saul, first,
he destroyed or killed all such mediums and soothsayers and then, when
he was in serious trouble he sought out one who was hiding in the
underground in order to bring out his teacher and spiritual leader —
Samuel. But look at the direction from where Samuel appeared to the
woman-medium. It was from below, from the lower earth, meaning, from
the negative state. He clearly told Saul that he and his sons would be
joining him on the same day in the Hells for all their evil deeds and for
what they had done to the nation of Israel. The direction from which the
so-called Samuel appeared clearly indicates that in the process of a
séance, the spirits who appear, speak and take on the role of departed
ones, in most instances are negative.
This is the reason why it has never been advisable to participate in such
séances with mediums. It puts you in danger of listening to negative
spirits under the guise of being someone whom you loved and cared for.
That way you could be misled and become your own self-fulfilling
prophecy by listening to what they have to say instead of listening to
your own intuition and common sense. Again, this is impositional,
violating and taking away your freedom of choice. And not only that, but
such communication closes the doors to Me and to the members of your
true spiritual family. When you decide to make contact through a
medium and ask for advice from someone whom you think is your
beloved departed one, for example, by that act, you are opening the doors
to the forces of the negative state. Instantly and with great delight, they
take over and provide you with all kinds of convincing and ‘beautiful’
experiences and plausible predictions, based on telling you, in a
verifiable manner, events about your past, and in that way, very
effectively replacing Me and all members of your spiritual family with
their own crew who will act, behave and look like Me and the members of
your true spiritual family. Don’t forget that they are very accomplished
actors and role-players. Once something like this happens, you become a
slave of their bidding. You lose your way from the influence of the
positive state.
So, do you see why it is spiritually very dangerous to make contact by
such means?
If you compare these types of experiences with the ones that occur in
near death experiences, no physical manifestation or materialization
takes place during séances. In near death experiences the person comes
back into his/her own physical body and continues to live in it until
he/she actually dies. During a séance, a totally different method is used.
A medium goes into a deep spontaneous hypnotic trance. In that
condition, a door to the other dimension is opened, while at the same
time the awareness to the external conscious world is closed. The
moment this happens and a call is made for the requested spirit to come
through, that spirit invades the medium’s consciousness and brain and is
able to communicate with the inquirer. No physical materialization is
possible through such means. So, it is not as if that spirit appears to the
inquirer in a physical body or comes back from the dead. He/she has to
rely on the medium in order to hear the spirit’s response to the inquirer’s
questions by utilizing the medium’s vocal cords and speech.
So this, as any other experience of this nature, only confirms the fact
that no one may or can come back after he/she crosses the line of no
return. This is also true about your mode of communicating with Me and
the members of your spiritual family. In your formal and informal state
of inwardness, a few of you are able to communicate with us by visual
and auditory means. Because such communication is direct, without the
use of a medium, and this happens from your minds to our minds in an
individualized and personalized manner, without using general blanket-
type methods or practices, so common to the negative state, it bypasses
the awareness of the negative and evil spirits and gives a high level of
probability that you are in contact with the right source. The issue of
probability is tied-in with the intentions, motivation and purpose for
which you are approaching your contact and communication with us. The
less contamination by your human expectations, wishful thinking, selfish
reasons and inappropriate requests, the more probability exists that you
are on the right track — in contact and communication with us. And vice
versa, of course. The more of that, the more probability exists that you
either get no response or sense of proper contact, or you become a target
for the forces of the negative state, who may temporarily invade you —
until you straighten up — and cause you all kinds of doubts,
uncertainties and various other typical human problems.
Peter: Talking about death, dying and communicating with departed
ones, I would like to ask for Your comments on one of Your statements
recorded in the Gospel According to Matthew 24:40-41, ‘Then two men
will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left; two women will be
grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.’ And on Apostle
Paul’s statement recorded in his First Epistle to the Thessalonians 4:13-
18, especially in verse 17, ‘Then we who are alive and remain shall be
caught up together with them (meaning, with the dead ones who will be
resurrected at that time — my interpretation) in the clouds to meet the
Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.’ If I
understand Paul’s statement correctly, he, as most of the Christians of
Paul’s type, believe that whoever had died up to that point would still be
dead, and that all the dead ones will be resurrected only at the time of
Your Second Coming. So then, if anyone of us is still alive on this planet
at the time of Your Second Coming, we would not experience physical
death, but some kind of transfiguration of our physical bodies will occur
and we will join You and all those of a positive nature who will be
resurrected at that time, in some kind of air, etc. Is there any substance
to these claims?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Let Me first address the issue of My own
statement, which I made during My stay on your planet. As you know,
Peter, whenever I spoke to the multitude or to My disciples or to anyone
else, I didn’t speak only to them but also, and most importantly, to all
other worlds, dimensions, para-realms and their pseudo-counterparts in
the Zone of Displacement. First of all, in the literal sense, that statement
denoted the situation which was about to occur with the inhabitants of
Jerusalem after they rejected Me as their true Messiah and after My
crucifixion.
As you know, by rejecting Me and crucifying Me, they brought upon
themselves an external type of punishment and retribution. This was a
form of visitation that resulted in Jerusalem’s siege by the Roman armies
which lasted for a long period of time and ended in the total destruction
of Jerusalem and its famous temple. As a result of that siege, most of its
inhabitants perished. However, some of them, those who accepted Me
and My principles, were hidden by Me and, in a sense, disappeared from
the vision and awareness of others — as if they didn’t exist at all. This is
what those words meant in their literal sense.
However, as you know, My statements were also meant in a purely
spiritual sense, related to events of a purely spiritual nature and to the
future fate of the intermediate world (World of Spirits), where humans
gathered, forming their own societies, not much different from what they
had during their life on planet Zero. During the Last Judgment, when
the human era was ending there, those humans who were of a positive
inclination and nature, shortly before the Last Judgment, were suddenly
lifted from their positions and states, leaving others behind. They simply
disappeared from that world and were placed elsewhere (in the Old
School, which was New at that time). Those left behind, following the
others’ rapture, then faced the consequences of their evil and negative
deeds and were thrown out into one of the Hells. This is what that
statement signified. It was for that time and for those events. Their
present significance relates more to what was said in one of the previous
Dialogs. It was stated there that just before the completed full pseudo-
victory of the negative state on your planet — the Great Tribulation —
should you still be on your planet at that time, you will be bypassed by
those who will execute and implement its occurrence. It will be as if you
don’t exist. No other meaning should be ascribed to that statement.
As far as Paul’s statement is concerned, he erred in two respects: First,
his assumption that the dead ones will be dead until My Second Coming
as though they are asleep and then awaken from their sleep is
completely wrong. Paul, as well as his numerous followers in the
Christian world, disregarded what I said about it, ‘I am the resurrection
and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And
whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.’ Of course, here I was
talking about spiritual life and spiritual death. But at the same time, I
indicated that there is no such thing as real death, so that anyone who
physically dies is shortly resurrected and lives either in the true life of
the positive state or the pseudo-life of the negative state, called the real
death.
Second, Paul’s assumption that the bodies of those who will be here at
the time of My Second Coming will undergo some kind of transfiguration
is also wrong. A relative body from relative elements in a relative being
cannot be transfigured because it has to yield to the laws of its own
nature of decay. Such transfiguration is possible only from the original
state of The Absolute, when It clothes Itself with the relative and by
infusing Itself into it, Its Absolute repudiates the condition of its natural
decay — as it happened with My physical body. A process of this nature
is impossible to comprehend by your relative human mind. However, we
may address this issue at some other time if needed and feasible.
Peter: Thank You so much for Your explanation. Should we finish for
today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, it would be advisable. We may continue
tomorrow if you feel like it and if some other things will not require your
attention. In the meantime, have a very pleasant afternoon.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
