To read aloud
TWENTIETH DIALOGUE
January 16, 1999
Peter: Before proceeding with some concerns I have as a result of the
letter I received yesterday, I would like to ask You, is there anything You
would like to clarify regarding the issues of the Nineteenth Dialog or
anything else?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you Peter; and yes, I would like to make
some additional clarifications on the issue of childhood and adulthood as
conceived on planet Zero as well as in the positive state. It was indicated
in that Dialog that from the standpoint of the positive state’s perception,
they are, relatively speaking, not children but adults. The way you have
to understand this statement is as follows: The moment the respective
spirit and its soul enter the chosen fetus in the mother’s womb, by that
factor, they limit themselves to its developmental stages by suppressing
all conscious memories of their previous experiences and knowledge. And
not only that, but they yield to the requirements of the pseudo-laws of
human nature which require them to be totally dependent on the
physical development of the child’s brain, nervous system and physical
body in general. In other words, the physical body, brain and nervous
system are the only instruments through which and by which the
respective spirit and its soul may and can manifest on planet Zero.
Because of that, their expressions are totally dependent on the
impressions acquired by the developing brain of the child from the
externals. The external events which are being continuously imposed on
the child’s perceptive, expressive and impressive faculties of his/her
brain from without, serve as a triggering means for the spirit and its soul
to gradually and slowly come through and manifest in the child’s life. So,
in this sense, the spirit and its soul are unable to function to their fullest
possible extent while the child’s brain and nervous system are in the
process of developing. They are adjusted and dependent on the process of
the brain, nervous system and other physical organs’ growth and
maturation.
The other aspect of this issue is the issue of age and aging. As you know,
Peter, there is no age or aging in the positive state. As a matter of fact,
there is no age or aging per se anywhere or anywhen. The factor of age
and aging is typical of the human life, and only of the human life, during
humans’ residence on planet Zero. It relates only to the human body, its
organs, brain and nervous system. Two reasons exist for this
arrangement. One, it is the result of My Mercy and Compassion in order
to limit the suffering, limitations, restrictions and misery in which
human life is embedded. This was by prior agreement before permission
was granted for the negative state to be activated. Two, the full nature of
the negative state is being exposed in gradual increments which last
many, many millennia. One individual can manifest its nature only in a
limited way, limited to his/her chosen aspect for this manifestation.
Because of the gross relativity, limitations and restrictions of the human
body, it can take only so much, and not more than agreed upon. As the
process of the chosen aspects of the negative state — or some other
aspects for the agents of the positive state — are being manifested and
continue, its impact on the physical body is devastating. As a result, the
body ages and wears out. In other words, it ages and subsequently
succumbs to this process or it dies. However, the spirit and its soul are
immune to this process and they don’t experience age or aging. This is
the reason why it was said that children are children only from the
standpoint of your human life but not from the standpoint of the positive
state or any other state.
However, the respective child’s spirit and soul do influence the
development of the brain, nervous system and physical body in general in
order to bring them into alignment with the chosen and agreed-upon
assignment. So, it is not exactly or entirely true that only external events
and upbringing are the decisive factors of how a child’s behavior and
attitude will develop and be manifested during his/her maturation and in
adulthood. The truth of the matter is that the child’s spirit and soul, from
the very first moment of conception, choose such parents, environments
and all other experiential factors, which contribute to the development of
the child, which are in full concordance with the chosen destiny. In other
words, the respective child’s spirit and soul place that child in various
conditions, situations and experiences leading to the establishment of a
lifestyle which would enable all their choices to come to fruition — either
in a positive or a negative sense, respectively. This is one of the major
reasons why I stated in our previous Dialog that children are not as
innocent as they seem to be or as you think them to be.
The reasons for the suffering of children on your planet applies in the
same degree and manner to the so-called homeless and insane humans.
The need to provide some help and comfort for them, if your intuition
tells you to do so, stems from the issue of compassion, previously
mentioned. Because of that, it is appropriate to help them by whatever
means are available to you. However, be very careful in cases like that
and very thoroughly explore your desire and need to help them so that
they don’t stem from your own guilt feelings or from some other ulterior
motivation. Also, don’t forget that sometimes helping them may prevent
them from fulfilling their own mission or that your help is utilized by
them for inappropriate reasons (for example, buying alcohol, cigarettes or
similar negative goods). At this point you may proceed with addressing
your concerns, Peter.
Peter: As You know, yesterday I received a letter from one of the readers
of our Dialogs. To preserve the confidentiality of the letter’s writer, I
won’t mention that person’s name.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Of course, Peter. It is appropriate to do so.
Peter: Although the letter in question addresses some important issues
which need to be addressed, and sincere gratitude is expressed in it for
receiving the Dialogs, at the same time, it harshly criticizes the English
grammar and the alleged editor’s oversight in not making proper, or
making improper corrections.
The Lord Jesus Christ: As you know, Peter, one of the many purposes
for which these Dialogs are recorded and disseminated to selected others,
is in order to trigger a desire in them to ask questions of multiversal
significance. Whenever such questions are asked, the timeliness factor is
involved. It means that the multiverse is ready to receive answers to
such questions or that they need to be answered at this particular time.
As mentioned before, it is your assignment from Me to provide such
answers in the form of these Dialogs.
Now, to address the issues raised in the letter in question. First of all,
the word ‘harsh’ is a little too harsh, Peter. Even though it sounds that
way to you, it is not meant to be that way by its author. The author of
that letter is very thankful and appreciative for receiving them. Don’t
forget your own inferiority complex, which you have as far as the English
language is concerned. Your native language is not English. Therefore,
any criticism regarding your English writing or speaking triggers
resentment, shame and embarrassment in you. You are afraid that the
readers of your books, and of these Dialogs, will reject their content
because of the numerous violations of the rules of English grammar. But
why do you think it was necessary to select someone like you, whose
native language is not English, to transmit My New Revelation? Some of
these reasons were hinted upon in My introduction to The New
Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ: It was in order to break out of
the constrained and restrained grammatical rules of any language to
properly convey and express the spiritual ideas which otherwise would
have been hampered by those rules. Do remember please, what was
mentioned very clearly in Update 15 of the Corollaries...: That in the
positive state, The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ is not in
written book form but appears as a beautiful idea which is constantly
being renewed, regenerated and updated. On your planet, as well as in
some other realms, at this time, it needs to be presented in the written
form, in the form of a book. No other means are available to you and
some others.
One of the reasons for this situation with your English, Peter, is to direct
the prospective readers’ attention to the very ideas and principles
contained and expressed in My New Revelation. In a sense, it is a test of
the motivation and intention with which that reading is approached. If
one gets bogged down in analyzing the grammatical forms of how it is
written; or how many or how few semicolons or commas, or typographical
errors, or whatever it contains, instead of concentrating on its beautiful
ideas as they do in the positive state; and if because of that one rejects
with disgust the ideas and principles contained therein, it is quite
possible and conceivable that the respective reader’s intention and
motivation with which he/she approached his/her reading, are not
proper.
On the other hand, do you remember what happened after you finished
writing The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ? Several
people edited it. It was edited numerous times. At that time you were
amazed to see that the editors, each an expert in English grammar, had
very different ideas on how words, sentences or punctuation should be
expressed. Very often, to your surprise, one editor would reverse the
corrections made by some other editors. All in all, no consistent
consensus existed among any of them. So, you were almost disgusted
with the complexity and wild jungle of interpretations of the English
language that they offered to you. The same thing is happening with the
editing of these Dialogs. For this reason, you correctly felt that it would
be a much better idea to leave things as you originally wrote them, even
if they do not exactly adhere to the rules of English grammar, and to
limit corrections only to obvious typographical errors, and maybe to the
word sequence whenever a sentence sounds too non-English, if we may
say so. Now, we are talking here in a general sense. It doesn’t mean that
the writer of that letter is in this situation. It only means that the writer
is putting unnecessarily too much in the formality of expressions in these
Dialogs. So far, no other readers have complained about it. Just the
opposite: The majority of them are elated that finally something like the
Dialogs have become available to them. Again, the issue is in the timing.
On the other hand, Peter, don’t omit mentioning the content of your
telephone conversation earlier yesterday morning before the arrival of
the above mentioned letter. You talked with our co-worker, helper,
supporter and one of the individuals most devoted to our cause,
Lyudmila Savelieve in Moscow, Russia. What did she tell you? First of all
she expressed her deep gratitude, appreciation and thankfulness for
receiving these Dialogs and for how helpful and uplifting their content
was for her. As you know, she is an expert in English grammar, yet, she
didn’t mention a word about how many commas, semicolons or
typographical errors they contained. She was properly concentrating on
their ideas and what they contain. But, most importantly, she told you a
very important thing. During your recording of our first few Dialogs (1-
8), without having any knowledge from you about the type of questions
you were asking or what kind of answers you where getting from Me,
Lyudmila was asking Me, in her own state of inwardness, the same type
of questions. After reading our Dialogs, she became aware of the striking
fact that the answers to them, which she received directly from Me,
matched those you recorded in our Dialogs word for word, Peter. This is a
beautiful confirmation of the verity of the content of our Dialogs. I
specifically provided this experience for your own benefit, Peter; for your
own confirmation. Your major problem in this respect is your occasional
severe doubts. Very often you are afraid that what you are receiving is
not from Me.
Peter: Yes, I am. And yet, sometimes these doubts are torturous. I don’t
want to be in the position of misleading anyone by telling them or by
claiming that things are coming from You while they are coming from the
imagination of my own foolish heart and mind. I don’t want to find
myself in the position of being a false prophet, as some religious groups
have already named me.
The Lord Jesus Christ: I understand; and it is prudent to continuously
check with Me on all content of the written material. However, at the
same time, don’t become a target to the negative state by excessively
doubting who you are and what your mission and assignment is from Me
in this respect. By doubting so much, the negative state is able to block
you from your productive work in My services, sometimes for days, weeks
and even months. Don’t give the forces of the negative state such a
pleasure.
Peter: I’ll do my best. You mentioned above that the written form or the
book form of The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ is needed
somewhere else in addition to the humans on planet Zero. Something
like that was also mentioned in Update 15. Is it possible to get some
clarification on that statement?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter. There are parallel worlds and
physical dimensions which approximate the condition of human life, both
in the positive and negative sense, respectively. Do you remember from
My New Revelation the allusion to the pseudo-creators’ process of
activating the negative state? It was mentioned there that in that
process, they experimented with the fabrication of various sentient and
non-sentient life forms which were either too positive or too negative for
their own scientific purpose, until their effort culminated in the
fabrication of humans. Those sentient life forms, with their non-sentient
counterparts, could not be destroyed. They were placed in various
sections of the universe, in the case of the too positive ones; and in the
pseudo-universe or Zone of Displacement, in the case of the too negative
ones. They populated and spread out to the various planets and solar
systems of their respective galaxies or pseudo-galaxies. Because these
sentient entities were fabricated from various external means and from
genetic material that emphasized the need for external input, their need
for the written material is obvious.
However, there is another spiritual, as well as scientific, factor which
required this arrangement. In any scientific design, several parallel
groups are placed in an experiment which would have the same rules of
acquiring knowledge, but with different conditions. This setup is needed
for comparison. In one group, the positive one, which populated various
planets in the universe proper, the written material is presented in order
to determine to what extent its members are able to understand and
apply what is contained in the written material without any distortions
or misunderstanding, as compared to humans. In the other group, the
negative one, which populated various planets in the pseudo-universe, to
determine how far its members can go in totally distorting, falsifying,
perverting and butchering what is contained in the written material, as
compared to humans. This setup gives the pseudo-creators and others a
clear answer to their question about the issue of objectively verifying the
validity of any knowledge acquired by such unusual external means.
Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation. And now I would like
to address some issues contained in the letter I received yesterday. First
of all, how do You react to that letter’s addressing You not as The Lord
Jesus Christ but as TLJC?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, Peter, it is a violation of the important
spiritual correspondences to which the full pronouncement of My Name,
or each of My Names in that configuration — The Lord Jesus Christ —
corresponds. TLJC doesn’t correspond to anything. It has no meaning
and no sense. Such abbreviations should never be used, especially as far
as My Name is concerned, as well as some other spiritual concepts or
names are concerned. TLJC is not capable of triggering the most
important avenue for establishing an effective communication with Me.
Even if it is applied in the written material, it takes away the important
spiritual meaning imbued in My Name. It wipes out the significance and
impact of My Name for the one who writes it down as well as for the one
who reads it.
Peter: Understood. I have never felt comfortable with any type of
abbreviation. As You know, it took me several years to memorize what
they mean in my professional job. I guess, this was one of the reasons for
my ineptness in this respect.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Definitely, Peter. This example only confirms
that your position and experiences have always had some important
spiritual meaning connected in some way or another to your being the
transmitter of My New Revelation.
Peter: Another issue raised in that letter is the issue of Christmas and
the way it is celebrated on this planet. The writer of the mentioned letter
questions the validity of that date as far as Your physical birth is
concerned. Also the letter reflects the writer’s disgust with the pagan
connotation of that date and all the rituals connected with its
celebration.
The Lord Jesus Christ: The reason that date was mentioned in one of
our Dialogs is to countermand the negative connotation that the present
form of celebration takes. It is truly disgusting to see what it has been
turned into by the forces of the negative state. As you see, an all-out
effort was made by them to eliminate the true meaning of Christmas as
much as possible. And they succeeded in this respect. It has turned into a
commercialized, meaningless, money-spending, gift-buying enterprise to
keep your economy going and to make children and some adults happy.
So, Christmas has lost its true spiritual significance. Don’t forget the fact
that due to such a gross devaluation of the meaning of Christmas, this
time of year also has become a most devastating problem for many
humans who are unable to fulfill what they think is their obligation —
for whatever reasons. This is a reason why during the time of the
holidays, you have one of the highest rates of suicides.
Besides serving to countermand this negative connotation of Christmas,
our mentioning it reflects the issue of timeliness. A very important
spiritual correspondence exists in why this particular date was chosen to
celebrate My birth and the acquirement of My New Nature. It does not
matter whether I was born on December 25, or January 7 or on some
other date. What matters is that I was born into the human life at all
and that I acquired My New Nature. In projecting this factor into the
human life, it was necessary to choose a time which would be closest to
the corresponding proximity of the spiritual situation that existed at the
time of My Birth and My New Nature. Consider this factor: The end of
December and beginning of January in the Northern Hemisphere, where
I chose to be born, are the darkest, coldest, deadliest months. Daylight is
the shortest. Nights are the longest. Nature is barren, almost dead. To
what kind of condition does that correspond, spiritually speaking? To
devastation and the lack of any proper spiritual life. This was the
situation on planet Zero at the time of My birth. In fact, among many
other things, it prompted My birth on your planet. A similar situation
existed at the time I completed the acquisition of My New Nature. At
that time, the negative state completed its effort in taking over planet
Zero. The process of its condensation began. All energies were shifted
from establishing its dominance on this planet and elsewhere, to its
condensation in a last-ditch attempt and effort to destroy the positive
state.
This is the reason why the end of December and beginning of January
have important spiritual significance related to Me Personally and
should be remembered specifically in addition to celebrating them every
day — as the author of that letter indicates and suggests. Let the writer
of that letter take this factor into consideration and not disregard the
spiritual correspondence of these particular dates.
Peter: The other point that the writer of that letter raises is about the
statement that ‘Real Absolute Truth must be true in an absolute sense.’
The writer thinks this is circular reasoning.
The Lord Jesus Christ: The writer is forgetting about the paradoxical
inference used in logic and in the reasoning process whenever it is
necessary to prove a certain point. It is a philosophical construct. In this
case, this statement is made to countermand the pseudo-creators’
pseudo-logic in claiming that there is no Absolute Truth. In their view,
and in the view of their scientific minions on planet Zero and elsewhere,
only relative truth exists. The paradox of this false assumption is as
follows: If there is no absolute truth but only relative truth, then the
absolute truth is that there is no absolute truth. Therefore, everything is
relative. To countermand this falsity, you need to state that Real
Absolute Truth must be true in an absolute sense, because their so-called
absolute truth is false. Otherwise, you would have to admit that two
Absolute Truths exist. Such an existence would be mutually exclusive.
Peter: The writer of the letter thinks that You are stereotyping when
You stated that ‘the media is known to be notoriously distorted, incorrect
or even false’.
The Lord Jesus Christ: The facts need to be stated the way they are
because they are facts. It is not a matter of judging or condemning but a
reflection of the situation which exists on your planet. Your media plays
a most significant role in promoting the falsehoods of the negative state.
Yes, it is their role and mission to do that but this fact needs to be stated
in order for you not to fall into their trap. There is a tendency among
some of you to accept at face value everything they convey to you. In that
case, you would accept distortions and/or falsities in your life. As a
consequence, you would become a target for the negative state.
Statements like that are meant as a preventive measure.
Peter: Another issue raised in that letter is the issue of sexuality. The
author is concerned that You limited the experience of true sexual
intercourse to the process of a penis being in a vagina, excluding the
spiritual aspect from any other mode of sexual involvement.
The Lord Jesus Christ: The writer of that letter disregarded the
spiritual correspondences of this, as well as of many other issues. As
mentioned before, and this is a reminder, a penis in a vagina — in! —
corresponds to the state of internals or being within. All proper
knowledge is always acquired from the state of within. Because, in a
general sense, sexuality is one of the most important tools for acquiring
such knowledge, the state of a penis in a vagina reflects this important
factor. Now, this does not mean that all other modes of sexual
involvement that happen between two consenting adults are not valuable
or not spiritually uplifting — if approached with positive and good intent.
However, all other modes of such involvement have a different
significance and meaning.
The conveyed statement about sexual intercourse only meant that from
the spiritual standpoint, oral sex, for example, or any other type of
sexual involvement, cannot be considered true sexual intercourse, which
would be able to trigger the same meaning or become the same source of
experience or knowledge as sexual intercourse by the means of a penis
being inside a vagina. The clue word here is ‘inside.’ You are not inside or
within by any other mode of sexual involvement. These other modes have
a totally different connotation and meaning and they trigger totally
different spiritual correspondences.
Impotent men, non-orgasmic women, men incapable of ejaculation,
artificial implants and similar factors, reflect serious spiritual, mental,
psychological and physical problems. For some important spiritual
reason or other, in cases like that, the choice was made not to allow
themselves the pleasure of having such experiences as a means to
illustrate and demonstrate, for the learning of all, what happens if
someone puts himself or herself in the position of not having such
experiences. This is an illustration of another aspect of the nature of the
negative state and human life.
However, in the case of the agents of the positive state, some exceptions
to this rule may apply. In their cases, the issue is what it is that they
project into their sexual practices — whatever they are or may be. Also,
to what extent they allow Me to participate in their sexual involvement
by whatever modes or ways and, of course, for what purpose. This is a
crucial distinction. So, it would not be a good idea to apply this type of
generalization to agents of the positive state in this respect. Your
personal and individualized sexual practices should be between Me and
two of you who are engaged in them. Always ask Me, by whatever means
are available to you, especially through your individual intuition, what
would be the best for you in this respect. That way you can never go
wrong.
Peter: Thank You very much for Your explanation of all these issues. Is
there anything else that should be asked today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome. No, Peter, we should wrap
up for today. I wish you a very pleasant afternoon.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
