To read aloud
TWENTY FOURTH DIALOGUE
January 20, 1999
Peter: Before proceeding with my own questions, is there anything that
You would like to add or clarify on any issue that we discussed yesterday
or previously?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking Me this question.
Yes, I would like to add something to our important discussion yesterday
on the changes in your role and position. As you know, it was mentioned
several times during our dialog that everything has either changed or is
in the process of fundamental change. Nothing is the same. This
statement fully and extensively applies to your position, role and lifestyle
as well. Here I am primarily talking about those of you who are
connected to My New Revelation, meaning, those who read, accept and
most importantly, practice it in their everyday life.
Up to this point, as a matter of fact, until today, you were called My
agents, or agents of My positive state, or agents of our positive state, as
Olga Barba of New York likes to say. Your designation as My agents, in
some way paralleled that designation with the agents of the negative
state. Thus, in both cases, the same word was used. This designation has
a deeper spiritual correspondence and meaning. The reason why the
same word was used for both, you and those who came from the negative
state, was in the fact of your placement and position on planet Zero in
the midst of the rule of the negative state. In your case, it is primarily
connected to the role you have been playing up to this point. As you
remember, your role in this respect was to be situated in the midst of the
human life, with the humans and agents of the negative state who
exemplify the life of the negative state, being its end product, and to
translate, interpret and convey everything from that life to the rest of
Creation and to the positive state in general.
Your position up to this point was from the negative side, facing the
negative side, and being in the negative side. Because of this factor, you
were called agents of the positive state as compared to the agents of the
negative state. This is the mentioned parallel process. Its sense is
derived from the fact that both you and they were situated in the same
position — in the midst of human life — but with a very different
agenda.
However, as mentioned yesterday, this situation with you has changed
entirely. Any such important change requires repositioning the spiritual
correspondences and their formal expression or, to use a better word,
their designation or the way you are called. As you know, each word used
by you or anyone else always has a deeper spiritual correspondence and
meaning. It always contains and reflects the function, role and
assignment that its designator carries. Because of this situation, it is no
longer appropriate for you to be called My agents or agents of the positive
state.
As of now, as of this very moment, you who are integrally connected to
My New Revelation and have devoted your life to the acceptance and
practice of all its spiritual principles, and only those of you and no one
else, will be called My representatives, or representatives of My positive
state. This designation reflects the repositioning of your roles,
assignments and positive energies. You have been resituated back to the
positive state in the sense that you are turned in the direction of the
positive state, functioning from the positive side and reflecting the life of
the positive side back to the negative side. The word “representatives”
reflects your new designation and function.
Whereas during your previous role as agents, you translated and
interpreted everything back to the positive state from the position of the
negative state, in your new role as representatives, you will be reflecting
everything back to the negative state from the position of the positive
state. The manner and mode of this reflection was described in
yesterday’s Dialog, and will be touched upon from time to time, as we
continue in our dialogs. Here there only needs to be a reminder that in
this new position, the emphasis will be more than ever before on the fact
that from now on you will be doing everything from, by, of, through and
for Me. This is particularly true in your work with the pseudo-creators,
helping them to deal with the grave situation of the renegades. Is there
any other possible way of doing that and everything else, except only
from, by, through, of and for Me?
This repositioning and designation shouldn’t lead you, even remotely,
toward any tendency to develop an elitist attitude or behavior, thinking
that with this new designation, as My representatives, you have become
more special, more valuable, more needed, more deserving, or whatever,
than anyone else. It only means that your role has changed — and
nothing else. It is good to remind yourself from time to time, that
everyone plays as important a role as you do in the scheme of role
playing on the scene of human life and in the life of the negative state in
general. The importance of the roles is the same, but they are entirely
different. In essence, a true representative of My positive state, by this
new designation will become more modest, more humble and more a
man/woman of true humility. This is what it means to be a true
man/woman of God.
This is all that I would like to add this morning. At this point we may
address some of your questions, Peter.
Peter: During the past few years, many readers of Your New Revelation
frequently asked about situations in some of their lives in which their
respective spouses were not involved in The New Revelation or were
outrightly against it. The question was: What should they do? There are
two possible scenarios: One is when a spouse doesn’t read Your New
Revelation and has very little interest in it or in any other spiritual
issues, but doesn’t oppose it and doesn’t interfere with it; and in some
cases is even enthusiastic about his/her spouse’s involvement in it. In
cases like these, the spouse who is connected to The New Revelation of
The Lord Jesus Christ feels somewhat unfulfilled, especially in the area
of sexuality as reflected in its important spiritual aspects and
components. It may create sadness from the lack of something that is
most important for the respective spouse but which is not provided by
his/her partner because it can only be accomplished if his/her partner
would be involved to the same degree, or at least to some degree, in and
with Your New Revelation. The question is, how feasible and needed is it
to continue in such marital relationship?
The second scenario is a more problematical one: It relates to some of
Your representatives (formerly Your agents), who may be married to
someone who is most obviously and demonstratively an agent of the
negative state and who is so evil and negative that he/she manipulates
his/her spouse by all kinds of threats, through children (loss of children
to the negative and evil spouse), financial considerations and by the
factor of social standing and any other type of dependency. Again, should
such a marital relationship continue or should it be terminated
regardless of the children involved and any other considerations?
The Lord Jesus Christ: No simple answer exists to this question,
especially regarding the first scenario. The issue in any relationship, not
only the marital one, is to the extent that such relationship has
exhausted its usefulness, served its purpose and is no longer tenable. Not
only it wouldn’t be tenable, but to continue in it would be spiritually
dangerous, impeding any progress, growth or betterment of My
representative in consideration. And this is true regardless of any
children involved. Don’t forget the fact, mentioned in our Nineteenth
Dialog, that for some of their own important spiritual reasons, children
chose to be in that kind of predicament. Inwardly, they expect you to
leave your marital partner, if it is time and there is a need to do so,
despite how much they are outwardly opposed to such separation or how
much they would seem to suffer from that split in outward behavioral
terms.
The problem here is again in the typical human inability to look behind
the scene instead of at the scene. Your human judgment derives, in most
instances, from your external observation of the external reactions and
behaviors of the individuals involved in this first scenario. You disregard
the internal choices, inner needs, spiritual considerations, inner
predisposition and similar important factors which ultimately determine
what is the best for all involved. If and when such a separation or divorce
is really indicated, in an ultimate sense, such a step is the most
appropriate for all involved, no matter how much suffering and turmoil
happens in the interim. Later on, you will clearly see the wisdom of such
a decision.
Of course, the most important question from your standpoint is how to
determine whether any such marital relationship, or any other similar
intimate relationship, has really exhausted its usefulness, served its
purpose and is no longer tenable, and to continue in it could even be
dangerous for all involved. No general rule exists for such a
determination. This is something that has to be decided by each
individual who is presently in a relationship of this nature. Each
individual should turn himself/herself to Me, asking for inspiration,
illumination, insight and enlightenment about this situation and for
receiving a strong intuitive discernment for making the most proper and
spiritually appropriate decision in this respect, as well as in any other
respect. Each case is different. No one case can be judged to be the same
or requires the same solution with the same outcome. What is proper in
one case might not be proper in another case. This is the reason why I
cannot give you any specifics for the resolution of these types of
situations. Ultimately, it is between Me and the individuals in question.
Always go by your intuition and by turning yourself to Me, asking what
is the best for all involved and how to properly balance whatever the
outcome might be in order to cause as little damage, suffering and
resentment as possible for all involved, even though sometimes it is
inevitable to go through such negative experiences. If you do this with
positive and good intent, for the right reasons, because you really want to
do what is proper, correct and right for the sake of principle, without
anything ulterior or selfish, then I can assure you, you will not go wrong
and things will end up in the most appropriate way for all concerned —
no matter what the interim situation might be.
Let us look now on the second scenario in which we are dealing with
marital partners who are physically, mentally and otherwise abusive,
evil and very negative. Here we have a totally different situation. First of
all, in cases like this, one should very carefully explore why an agent of
the positive state (let’s say presently a representative of the positive
state) got involved with a person like that. What were the motivating
factors, conditions and circumstances under which such an adverse
marital relationship was established? Don’t disregard also the
psychological factors of the battered woman’s syndrome in cases where
the agent of the negative state is a man. Why was the choice made to
have such a heartbreaking, painful and desperate relationship? What
kind of need is it fulfilling? Is there a guilt factor, brought to this life
from something that happened before incarnating on planet Zero while in
that special Intermediate World, or was that guilt acquired from the time
of his/her upbringing by his/her parents or significant others? Is this a
form of self-punishment to assuage that guilt because the individual in
question unconsciously feels that he/she deserves to be punished by being
in a marital relationship of such adverse nature? Or are there some
purely spiritual reasons independent of any of the above mentioned
factors? Did that individual choose to enter that relationship in order to
illustrate for the learning of all what happens if an agent of the positive
state gets involved in a marital relationship with an outright agent of the
negative state and together they become a means through which certain
types of children are born?
Of course, there is always a mutual agreement before coming to this
world to get involved not only with each other but also with the
prospective children who would be born during their marriage on planet
Zero. Sometimes the only possible way to come here for a certain
contingent of entities in other worlds who choose to incarnate on planet
Zero, is through the combined agreement of one agent of the positive
state and one agent of the negative state in order to illustrate a very
different aspect either of the positive state, if the entity was coming from
the positive side (before July 1, 1988), or a very different aspect of the
negative state if the entity was coming from the negative side (which is
always the case at the present time). Such a specific illustration is
possible to achieve only if you have a marriage or sexual relationship
between those two.
In most instances however, in these particular cases, a relationship of
this nature exhausts its usefulness and fulfills its purpose either at the
moment shortly after children are born or when the realization comes to
one’s conscious mind that no matter what, the relationship will not work.
And not only that, but to continue in it could be dangerous at all levels of
one’s life — the spiritual, mental, social, physical or any other. Many
murders have been committed by the continuation of such relationships.
Don’t forget the factor of learning and illustration. How long does it take
to learn important lessons from this situation or for how long does the
illustration need to continue? Let us assume that the choice was made to
help the agent of the negative state realize his/her negativity and to set
up an example for him/her of a life in accordance with the principles of
the positive state. However, in some cases, no matter what, the agent of
the negative state not only is not learning anything, or doesn’t want to
learn anything, but becomes more negative, more evil and more abusive.
He/she takes advantage of the meekness, kindness, longsuffering and
similar positive attributes of his/her partner and manipulates him/her to
his/her sadistic pleasure or for whatever other negative reasons. When it
comes to this point, it is obvious that to continue in such a relationship
would be futile and only supporting the negative state, becoming its
slave. And not only that, but by such an attitude, the positive partner
reinforces the evil and negative behavior of his/her negative partner,
setting him/her up for more and longer punishment and retribution,
following his/her return to where he/she came from.
As far as children are concerned in this situation, once again, they
agreed to whatever the outcome of such a complicated and brutal
relationship is. So, because of that, they should not be a decisive factor in
staying in that kind of relationship. Very often, it is for their benefit if it
is terminated in a timely manner. Procrastinating in this respect may
only lead to their greater suffering, being witnesses to a very unpleasant
relationship. And not only that, but very often, they learn bad behavior
from their abusive and evil parent, internalizing such negative behavior.
When they grow up and become married, they most certainly will tend to
treat their marital partner in exactly the same way as they learned from
their parent. So, as you see, this is a vicious cycle of perpetuating the
nature of the negative state. You don’t need to be supportive of this kind
of relationship or stay in it, no matter what.
Of course, as always, you need to ask Me to help you make the right
decision so as to not prematurely violate the articles of your agreement
and illustration. Once again, each case is different and no
generalizations are possible or wise to make. Some relationships need to
stay as they are or until the time when your partner decides to terminate
it. Some need to be terminated as soon as possible. Only your intuition
and relying on My presence in it, can lead you to the most needed and
proper choice in this matter. Because of this, nothing can be said about it
at this point.
Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation. The next question was
posed by a young man, Your follower and practitioner of Your New
Revelation, from the Czech Republic. He is somewhat confused by the
claims of Yogananda, an Indian swami who was allegedly visited by his
former teacher who died some time ago and who described life in the so-
called astral realm to the swami. The teacher, who was allegedly
enlightened and knew God, continued to claim that some people need to
reincarnate back on planet Zero so that they may discharge their Karma
and return back to the astral world from which they proceed to a higher
level where they merge with God. The young man doesn’t understand
how someone who knows God and is enlightened can make such claims.
Any comments for his benefit?
The Lord Jesus Christ: First of all, it should be very obvious that the
teacher in question was ‘enlightened’ by a false god who may have set up
experiences for him which would have confirmed his false and distorted
belief systems. Secondly, the astral world is that area of pre-entrance to
the real spiritual world where all of one’s expectations are fulfilled and
confirmed. The above mentioned claims were made at a time when the
special Intermediate World, where the teacher arrived, was the world of
expectations and temporary fulfillment of his desires to confirm his belief
systems. Thirdly, any negative and evil spirit may and can take the form
of flesh and blood — symbolically speaking, of anyone, in this case of the
teacher in question — for the purpose of continuously feeding their
followers the distortions and falsities they support and to which they
cling. The negative state has no desire for anyone to recede from their
false and distorted belief systems. They can and may set up all kinds of
situations and shows which can present themselves to the followers of
those teachers in such a convincing manner so that no doubts can enter
their mind, that what they are being told, conveyed or what is
experienced by them or what is being shown to them is absolutely true,
genuine and authentic. This is one of the most favorite ways of the
negative state to perpetuate its cause.
In order to avoid any contamination, poison and pollution by any such
stories recorded in the many books of that nature, one would be advised
not to waste time on reading them or pondering about their content. If
you are privileged to have My New Revelation, what other books of that
nature do you need to read? Unless it is indicated that you read them for
the purpose of comparison or as a reference or a quote to illustrate their
falsities and distortions, which they abundantly contain, you are advised
to avoid reading them. Of course, as always, the choice is yours. So are
the consequences.
The problem with the young man in question is that he unconditionally
bought the teacher’s claim that he was enlightened and knew God. The
young man didn’t doubt or question the verity of that claim. The way the
young man formulated his question in his letter to you, Peter, very
clearly indicates that he never doubted for a minute that the teacher was
a true man of the true God. This is the problem. One should never take
anything of that nature on its face value. It is always very wise and
prudent to verify such claims with Me, through your intuition, with the
principles of My New Revelation, its Updates and with what is conveyed
in these Dialogs. Otherwise, you can end up believing all kinds of
distortions and falsities.
Peter: Thank You very much for Your explanations and answers. Is this
all for today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, it is all. Have a very pleasant
afternoon.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
