THIRTY EIGHTH DIALOGUE

February 9, 1999

Peter: Today, I would like to ask You two questions. The first one was posed by Victor Dokukin of Moscow, Russia (Lyudmila’s husband). The second question comes from me. Let me start with Victor’s question first and then proceed with my own. Victor is asking for an explanation of the reason why the Islamic religion was initiated in the same geographical region where You Yourself incarnated and did Your important work.

The Lord Jesus Christ: As you know, Peter, each geographical region, as well as any city, town, village, or any place on planet Zero, has some important spiritual correspondence either of the positive or negative nature, respectively. Very often, such correspondence could have both meanings — positive and negative, depending in what connotation it is being addressed and what it represents at each particular time in its historical development. The reason for such important spiritual correspondences is in the fact that anything in being and existence, as well as in pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, derives its function, whatever it may be, from its ultimate spiritual or pseudo-spiritual source. This spiritual factor enables these functions to occur. Without it, nothing could exist or be.

In order for planet Zero to sustain its function in any of its manifestations and mode of life, certain areas of its geographical designations have correspondence to the positive state, that is to say, to the heavens. Without such positive correspondences, planet Zero could not function or survive.

The land of Canaan, situated in the northeastern part of Africa, before and at the time of My incarnation on planet Zero, had such a correspondence to the positive state of the heavens. As you remember from Update 9 in the Corollaries..., because of this specific positive correspondence, and because of My incarnation in the Jewish nation, the only nation that had My Word at the time, it was possible for Me to appear on this planet without any danger for it to be annihilated by the factor of My Absolute Goodness and Positiveness. The fact of that positive correspondence sufficiently tempered anything of that nature from happening.

But there is another important factor why My incarnation and the origin of Christianity and of the Islamic religion occurred in that particular geographical area. This factor, once again, is connected with the above mentioned spiritual correspondence to the positive state. In an ultimate sense, the positive state is the state of the most within. That state is the only source or origin of anything related to the spiritual ideas, concepts, movements and establishments related to Me. Thus, because of this important spiritual requirement, such movements as Christianity and Islam, which have ideas in their teachings relating in some way or another directly to Me, were incapable of originating or taking hold in any other place on planet Zero but the one which had such a positive correspondence to the spiritual world of heaven, or the most within of Creation. On the other hand, all religious movements which have no reference to Me as the only God Indivisible, and which worship some other false gods, originated in different geographical locations that don’t have such spiritual correspondence as the discussed region.

As you know, the Koran, the so-called Holy Book of Islam, refers to Me and to My birth on planet Zero almost exactly in the same words used in the Gospel According to Luke. Basically, the Islamic religion constantly refers to the need of leading a life in accordance with the lives of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed — in its conceptualization, the greatest prophets of all time. The difference between the Christian conceptualization of My Nature and the Islamic one is that Christians consider Me to be the only begotten Son of God, acknowledging My Divinity, whereas Islam’s conceptualization of My Nature limits it to My being one of the great prophets who doesn’t have this divinity.

However, there is another important spiritual reason why Islam was allowed to appear on this planet, and specifically in that particular geographical region where I was active during My life on planet Zero. As you know, the Islamic religion was initiated approximately 600 years after My resurrection and departure from planet Zero. By that time, Christianity was not only fully established but had become totally corrupt and taken over by the negative state in its entirety. This factor was already revealed through Swedenborg. What happened here was that the Christian religion dogmatized the concept of the Trinity — the abomination of the negative state, which assumed the existence of God in three persons. This interpretation of the concept of the Trinity, by the illogical, irrational and paradoxical assumption of three gods in one person or one God in three persons, respectively, whatever the case may be, put the spiritual life on planet Zero and the entire humanity, in the gravest possible danger of being annihilated.

The problem with such a conceptualization is that, once you recede from accepting God as the only One Who is absolutely indivisible, and once you come up with the false idea of god in three persons, you destroy any connection to the true spiritual reality of being and existence. The result of such disconnection is the end of any life on the planet which accepts such a concept on a planetary scale, because any life is sustained by accepting the concept of One God Indivisible as the only source of life.

This was the situation 600 years following My departure from planet Zero. In order to avoid that such a horrid destiny would befall humanity on your planet, My Divine Providence arranged an Islamic movement which, in the strongest possible terms, proclaimed that there is absolutely only One God Indivisible and none other. By the proclamation of this idea and the establishment of a religion based on it, humanity’s life could be preserved. The reason why it was necessary to establish this religion in this respect in that specific and particular region where I was incarnated, is because it was and is directly connected to Me. I am identified with that region not only in humanity’s conceptualization but also in My entire Creation’s. So, whenever you say the word ‘Allah,’ because that word signifies that there is only One God and none other, and because it relates to that particular region, which now corresponds to My Divine Human and Human Divine, it, in actuality, confirms that I, The Lord Jesus Christ, Am that One God Indivisible and that there is no other. It doesn’t make any difference that the followers of Islam, on their conscious level, don’t perceive Me as being their Allah but only as His prophet. All others in all other dimensions of My Creation perceive it that way. From the position of that perception and by the tremendous spiritual energies emanating from that perception, they maintain the possibility of any life on planet Zero and elsewhere.

In this fact, and only in this fact, the Islamic religion played an important positive role. Unfortunately for its followers, because of this important role, it was the subject of the greatest possible contamination, pollution and poison by the forces of the negative state. These forces realized how dangerous it was for the negative state if humanity would accept the fact that Allah is none other than The Lord Jesus Christ — Me. For that reason, they convinced the followers of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, to take everything that is written in the Koran literally, and to deny that Jesus Christ was a true God and the only God in being and existence, putting Him on an equal footing with their Mohammed; and placing the meaning of spirituality in various most ridiculous external rituals which in a true spiritual connotation are empty notions without any meaning. However, no matter how falsified, distorted and vicious Islamic ideas are, the most important spiritual idea contained in Islam about One God Indivisible, is fully preserved in humanity’s consciousness. This idea will be utilized in the process of ending the negative state and for the salvation of all followers of Islam.

On the negative aspects of Islam, as well as of all other major religions on planet Zero, you can read about them in Chapter II of Major Ideas of The New Revelation. It is not necessary to repeat them here because this Dialog has a different requirement.

Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation. I hope Victor will be satisfied with it. Allow me now to humbly ask You my question. In the Gospel According to Matthew, in Chapter 5, verse 48, You say, and I quote: ‘Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.’ How would You interpret this statement? It seems to me that Your requirement was unrealistic. After all, who can be as perfect as You are? It refutes any logic and statements in Your New Revelation about the issue of perfection. May I ask You to shed some light on this statement?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Very gladly, Peter. As you see from the above example, the literal sense of all statements of this nature in the Holy Bible don’t make too much sense, do they? This is a major problem with humanity. If you take this statement literally, you could end up in the very dangerous predicament of not being able to fulfill your obligation of being as perfect as your Father in heaven. In that case, you would fail in your spiritual efforts and, as a consequence, you would be doomed to eternal habitation in some of the Hells because you could never reach the same level of perfection of the One Who is absolutely perfect. After all, you wouldn’t be able to enter the heavens if you wouldn’t be as perfect as your Father is in heaven.

However, let’s look on this situation from its purely spiritual connotation and meaning. In order to do that, it is necessary for us to recognize in what situation, where and when this statement was made. As you know, Peter, this statement is an integral part of My extensive teachings recorded in the entire Chapters 5, 6, and 7 of Matthew. Some readers of those three chapters have correctly concluded that if I were to say nothing more than what is contained in them, it would give the foundation to establish a religious movement in My Name — that’s how important My teaching was, as recorded in them.

If you carefully analyze the setting in which that teaching occurred, you will find a very interesting spiritual correspondence. Before I opened My mouth to say anything of this tremendous significance, I left the multitudes and went up on a mountain, and when I was seated, My disciples came to Me. Only after that, I opened My mouth and taught them, saying all those beautiful things. What does this careful arrangement tell you? First of all, I left the multitudes; meaning, I left the negative state to which the multitudes correspond. Secondly, I went up on a mountain; meaning, I went back to the positive state. However, the top of a mountain also corresponds to the most within of everyone’s mind; meaning, I also situated Myself in the most within of everyone. Thirdly, only My disciples approached Me; meaning, the only individuals who were allowed to participate in My lectures were My agents on planet Zero, for the purpose of becoming My followers in order to be an exemplification and illustration of the nature of the positive state for the rest of humanity, essentially placing it in the position of free choice and not of imposition.

How do you introduce the nature of the positive state to someone who has no notion of what the positive state is all about? By placing them in the midst of the positive state and showing its nature to them and by outlining its basic and most fundamental principles to them. After all, at that time, no one on planet Zero had any proper knowledge about the nature of the positive state or about God’s. So, if you want to establish a different alternative for humans to choose differently from what they had up to that point, which was no choice at all, you must reveal to them that, first of all, there is such a state as the positive state, and secondly, you must explain to them what is the true nature of the positive state. With such a revelation and explanation, you place them into the position of comparing the nature of that in which they were, of which they had no idea of it being negative, with that which is being offered to them as a viable alternative to choose from and which is of a purely positive nature. In this particular connotation, My disciples who approached Me on the top of a mountain represent the entire humanity in their external or without position, where no proper knowledge or understanding of anything about anything exists. In order to acquire such proper knowledge and understanding, they had to approach Me on a mountain, that is, in the state of their most within.

As mentioned above, a mountain corresponds both to the positive state in general and to everyone’s Spiritual Mind in particular. I, sitting on a mountain, signifies My presence both in the midst of the positive state, being that it is My extension and process, as well as in everyone’s Spiritual Mind. From that presence of Mine, all proper, correct and true knowledge derives. So, anyone approaching Me on the mountain, signifies turning one’s attention to the state of one’s within, to My presence in it, and to My positive state. Once you establish yourself in this new, different and proper position, by that factor, you allow Me to begin teaching you about all matters of the spiritual life, about My positive state, about your true nature, the nature of your Spiritual Mind, and about all spiritual principles that underlie the nature of My entire Creation. At the same time, by the factor of comparing your life before acquiring proper knowledge about all these things, with what you had or knew before, you realize that your prior knowledge and everything that you had in this respect, is nothing but an illusion which has no bearing on any known reality. As you see, Peter, we have built a proper foundation for answering your question about verse 48 of the mentioned chapter. In order to understand properly what the meaning of that verse is, it was necessary to forward it with the explanation offered to you above.

In the connotation of the quoted verse, the words ‘your Father’ don’t relate to your spiritual Parent — God. It doesn’t have a parenting connotation. Notice, please, I didn’t say ‘our Father’ or ‘My Father’ but only ‘your Father.’ This is not by any coincidence. Do you remember what I said to those who brought to My attention that My father, mother, sisters, brothers, etc., were standing outside wanting to talk to Me? I told them, pointing to My disciples, that those who do My will and keep My words are my father, mother, sisters and brothers. Why would I say that? I said that in order to emphasize the fact that only My positive state, and what it contains and does, has true reality. Because I was referring here to those who do My Will and keep My Words, by the factor of spiritual association and correspondence, I was talking about My positive state and its inhabitants. After all, they were the only ones who, at that time, did My Will and kept My Word. Because all of them were derived from Me for the purpose of inhabiting My positive state, they became My relatives. Here is the spiritual correspondence of the word ‘relative.’ Paradoxically speaking, they are all relative and relatives to My Absolute State. In this sense, they are truly the only relatives I have (mother, father, brothers, sisters). Anyone who comprises My positive state becomes relative to Me. So, the meaning of this paradox is clear: Being relative to My Absolute State, based on the factor that each such relative is the extension and process of My Absoluteness, makes you My relative.

The words ‘your Father in heaven,’ in the connotation of the discussed topic, also point out the originating source of your life. In each particular individual, where is life coming from? From what source do you live and function? What is it that makes you who you are? Being in heaven signifies being in your most within Spiritual Mind where My presence constantly and continuously is. Your Father Who is in that heaven, that is, in your Spiritual Mind, signifies the essence and substance of your unique life imparted on you by My Absolute Essence and Absolute Substance. Everything else derives from it, and it makes you who you really are. Due to the fact that it was I Who, from My Absolute Essence and Substance, established and put into motion your own unique essence and substance, making you who you are, in this sense, you are My everything. Because I am Absolutely Perfect, and because everything that you have and who you are is Mine, in that sense, your relative essence and substance, that is, your Father in heaven, that is, in your Spiritual Mind, are also perfect by the factor of this logic and derivation. For that reason, what you are being told in the quoted verse is not that you have to be perfect as God is, which is an utter impossibility and a totally unrealistic requirement and expectation, but to be perfect as your Spiritual Mind and the essence and substance of your personality are, relative to My Own Absolute Perfection.

This is one specific connotation of the meaning of the quoted verse. A more general connotation can be found in an additional spiritual correspondence in the words ‘your Father in heaven.’ ‘Heaven,’ in this particular instance corresponds to My Creation in its entirety. ‘Father in heaven’ corresponds to the global Most Within Spiritual Mind-Dimension of My Creation. It is the initiator and originator from Me of everything that is and exists in My Creation, as well as all its events and happenings. Because My Creation derives from My Absolute Perfection, it is perfect, relative to Me only. The requirement of the quoted verse in this particular, as well as in a general connotation, is to pattern your personal life and everything in it, in accordance with the nature of My Creation and specifically with its Global Spiritual Mind-Dimension. Because My Creation and that Mind are perfect, relative to My Absolute Perfection, you are to strive to be perfect, relative to their perfect state and process. This is what the true meaning of the quoted verse signifies. Nothing else and nothing more should be put into it.

For your information, notice, please, what happened when I finished My teaching on that mountain. Afterwards, I came down from the mountain (Chapter 8, verse 1-3 of Matthew), back to great multitudes, that is to say, back into the negative state, where I was greeted by a leper who worshiped Me and asked Me to make him clean. In the connotation of the discussed topic, the leper represents the external level or degree of the positive state which at that time was being overrun by the forces of the negative state and by the pseudo-creators particularly. Their presence on that level had a contaminating effect on all inhabitants of that level. It was making their life unbearable and unclean. However, because they refused to compromise or to give in to anything the forces of the negative state were offering them, they petitioned Me and My Absolute Free Will, from their own free will and choice, to free them from that condition and to make them clean again. This fact is signified by the words ‘a leper came and worshiped Him.’ By worshiping Me, they reaffirmed their devotion to Me as the only source of their lives, and their determination not to be swayed or corrupted by anything offered to them by the forces of the negative state.

The presence of the forces of the negative state within their domain was eroding their perfect state relative to My Absolute Perfection. By petitioning Me from their own free will and choice to restore their perfection to its original state and condition, they enabled Me to free and to clean their domain from the presence of the negative state, and to lock up the pseudo-creators, giving them back their purely perfect positive state. The leper asked Me if I was willing to clean him. My answer was that yes, I was willing. This denotes very clearly that I am always willing to clean anyone from the influence and poison of the negative state, if I am asked to do so, and to bring them back to the state of their own relative perfection relative to My Own Absolute Perfection. Does My answer to your question satisfy you, Peter?

Peter: Very much so. It makes perfect sense to me. Thank You very much for Your answers. Is there anything else we need to discuss today?

The Lord Jesus Christ: No, this should suffice for today. Have a nice day, Peter.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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