To read aloud
THIRTY NINTH DIALOGUE
February 10, 1999
Peter: As You know, in my telephone conversation yesterday with our
Rosemarie, she mentioned something about seeing a book in a bookstore
titled ‘Conversations with God.’ When she opened the book, it had exactly
the same words as we have here — ‘Dialogs with God.’ How do You like
that? Would You like to make any comments about this phenomenon?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, I would. Thank you for asking Me.
Of course, as you know, it is not by coincidence that, first of all, such a
book was written or even that it has already been published, and
secondly, that it has been brought to your attention at this particular
time. You feel somewhat dismayed that books of that nature get so
quickly and so easily published and read by multitudes, even becoming
bestsellers, yet, the books of My New Revelation have never been
published by a ‘reputable’ publisher, outside of the TNR Foundation. You
either had to publish them yourself, with monies taken initially from
your own pocket, so-to-speak, or, later on, with your friend’s and
brother’s — Ernest Hickson — monies. Still, during the latest years, you
did your own desktop publishing without any involvement by outside
printing companies, utilizing either your money for that purpose or
money donated by several other readers, especially by Dr. Beth Ann
Voien. It has always been on your mind why books of the above
mentioned nature are so easily published, widely read and accepted by
humans, whereas the books of My New Revelation have such few
readers, and even fewer who accept their ideas and content.
The major reason for this factor can be found in the content of the books
written by various authors out there and in the content of the books of
My New Revelation. Because you live in a world which has been
completely subsumed by the negative state, it puts out the messages
contained in such books, which are initiated and conveyed from the
position of the negative state. Due to the fact that books of this nature
contain pure distortions and falsities, as related to the description of My
Nature or the nature of God in general, as well as to the description of
the nature of the positive state, the nature of human life and all other
ideas related to these issues; the forces of the negative state — being that
it is their world or domain, and being that these books contain their
ideas, concepts and guidelines — promote, advertise, support and publish
such books with great delight, pleasure and success.
If you take into consideration how human nature was initially
structured, then it becomes obvious why humans would have such a
tremendous proclivity and pull toward accepting as truth anything
contained in books of that nature. As you remember, the structure of
their mind was fabricated in such a manner so as to naturally incline to
receive and accept distortions and falsities in a much easier and
comfortable manner than anything that stems from the positive state
and which is the real truth. This is one of the reasons why it is so
difficult for humans to accept My New Revelation.
Let Me tell you something, Peter, and it will be a reiteration of what was
indicated to you before in the Big Book. My New Revelation is being
offered primarily to the members of the positive state, to all other
inhabitants of different dimensions and universes and to a very few
humans who have the privilege now of either being My true
representatives or who will become such later on, or who are given an
opportunity to make some important choices or conclusive decisions in
their lives. For the majority of other members of humanity, as well as for
the members of the negative state, My New Revelation is in the mode of
availability. This mode indicates to you that for these particular
contingents it is not time yet to read it, support it or accept it. These
contingents need to fulfill their purpose for being who they are and for
doing whatever they have to do in the process of the full exposure of the
nature of the negative state.
In this process, because of the importance of the mentioned exposure,
these contingents need to have their own support, feedback and to be
convinced about the rightfulness of their cause. For that reason, they
produce all kinds of books of the above mentioned nature, the ideas and
contents of which give them the strongest possible impetus not only to
continue in their effort and cause, but to also give them the sense that
they are absolutely right in everything they say and do, and how and
why they behave the way they do. So, in this sense, Peter, they need to
be fed by incentives to continue in their effort to do their work in the
process of exposing the nature of the negative state. Among other things,
these types of books provide them with such incentives.
Another reason for the rise of the publishing of such books on your
planet, is to countermand anything that you write and publish, Peter, as
My New Revelation, in order to nullify the effect that My New Revelation
might have on the members of the negative state and on the majority of
humans, and to block their awareness from realizing that My New
Revelation even exists and is available to all.
In this particular case, the above mentioned book was published as the
process of our Dialogs has been taking place and as you have recorded
them, even before any of their formal publishing is planned or
considered. The reason for this factor is that the forces of the negative
state are fully realizing how dangerous the content and ideas of these
Dialogs are and how influential they could become in their own realm
and in humans’ minds. Don’t forget the fact that was described to you in
the previous Dialogs; that during your reading and rereading of the three
sources of My New Revelation and especially these Dialogs, anyone from
the negative state who is attached to you, will hear My voice in their
mind telling them that everything contained in these Dialogs, and in
other books of My New Revelation, and which will be perceived by their
mind for the first time as coming directly from Me, is nothing but the
pure truth.
For that reason, the forces of the negative state are hastily coming up
with their own version of dialoging with the so-called God in order to
present their own members with an alternative explanation of all factors
contained in My New Revelation and our Dialogs. They hope that by
their own version of these facts, they will be able to suffocate My voice
sounding in the mind of those who are attached to you for that purpose.
Don’t be surprised if many more books of this nature are published,
widely read and accepted by the majority of humans. This phenomenon
reflects the fact, mentioned previously, that the negative state’s pseudo-
winning on your planet is in its final phase. The content of such books
will be a contributory factor in the process of this pseudo-winning. The
more readers of those books who will accept the ideas contained in them,
the more the negative state will be in position for its pseudo-winning and
the closer its end will be.
Let us discuss this issue a little further. When we are talking here about
the time factor relating to the last phase of the negative state exposing
its nature and pseudo-winning on planet Zero, with its subsequent
ending, we are not talking at any time about a time frame, as conceived
by your external human mind. It was indicated to you a few days ago
that this last phase will be the longest in duration. The reason for this
need was also explained to you at the same time. What does it mean ‘the
longest in duration?’ From the typical human standpoint of
conceptualizing time, it could take months, years, decades, centuries or
even millennia. In other words, it will take as long as necessary in order
to complete this process to the full and complete satisfaction of all and
everything.
From the standpoint of the spiritual world and all other dimensions, the
factor of time, as conceived by humans, has no relevance whatsoever.
Don’t forget please, that in their perception of the duration of this phase,
in comparison with yours, whatever is very long for you, can be very
short for them, and vice versa: Whatever is short for you, can be very
long for them.
So, when we are talking about the Great Tribulation, and how its time
will be shortened in order to give a respite to all involved in it, it is not
meant in the physical time of the temporal-spatial continuum but in the
multiversal one. In the multiversal conceptualization, when you compare
the existence of the negative state against how long the existence of the
multiverse has been in place, even in your time measurements, it is of
such a short duration as though it almost doesn’t exist. In this sense, the
last phase of the negative state’s pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, or
in biblical terms — the Great Tribulation, is really a very short one.
However, in your human terms, it may or may not last for many
centuries or even many millennia.
I am asking you, please, don’t fall into the same error as some of My
disciples/apostles did when they expected that the ending of this world
and My Second Coming would happen during their lifetime. Some of you
might have the similar idea that all these things will be happening
during your lifetime on planet Zero. Don’t be under the influence of your
own wishful thinking. I know very well how much and how strongly you
yearn and desire for this most expected and wanted ending to take place.
Such an attitude may open the doors for the negative state in order to
target you. It will bring all kinds of events and happenings to your
attention which will be convincing almost beyond the shadow of a doubt
that the ending is near and that it will happen in front of your physical
eyes. I don’t want you to be disappointed when things in this respect
don’t work out the way you expect them to work out or how you would
like them to work out. Yes, it will happen during your lifetime, and it will
happen during the lifetime of My disciples/apostles, but not necessarily
during the lifetime on planet Zero. Their error was not in the perception
that it would happen during their lifetime, but that it would happen
while they still lived on planet Zero. After all, they and you will all be
alive and living at the time of the ending of the negative state and during
the final phase of My Second Coming. It doesn’t mean that you would be
living on planet Zero at that time. You may or you may not. It is totally
irrelevant.
In actuality, from the spiritual standpoint, there is or will be, a global
perception of the ending of the negative state, and there is or will be its
individual perception. You, who are My true representatives on planet
Zero, and in the negative state in general, upon your recall from planet
Zero and upon your entrance into My positive state, by the factor of being
extracted from the negative state and placed back into the positive state,
will be experiencing the ending of the negative state in your own
personal life. As a matter of fact, in some internal and spiritual sense,
because as of recently, you have been and will be functioning only from
the position of the positive state, the negative state has ended for your
spirit and soul. Only for your physical body, being that it was formed
from the elements of the negative state, the reality of the life of the
negative state and its human life continues to have real tangibility. As
long as you are experiencing yourself in your physical body, whenever
you step down into your human skin, so-to-speak, the existence of the
negative state will continue to be a tangible reality. However, this will no
longer be the case for your spirit and soul. Of course, only if you choose it
to be so by your own free will and choice.
Peter: Talking about time and the ending of the negative state, and how
long the final phase of the pseudo-winning of the negative state on planet
Zero will continue, I can see Your point on the irrelevance of time. If our
astronomers are correct in their assumption that the visible Universe
has been in being and existence anything between 15 to 20 billion years
or so; in comparison with that time, what is a few millennia or even a few
million years? It is like a day in one year.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Of course, Peter, you see My point. However,
don’t forget how your astronomers came to their conclusion about the age
of the visible Universe. They estimated the distance between the farthest
galaxy they can see and their planet, by measuring the time during
which light can travel between these two points. So, by converting the
light years into regular years, they made the conclusion that the
Universe began approximately 15 billion years ago. But, as you know,
they are continuously changing this number. As their observation
instruments-telescopes become more advanced, they are able to see much
farther than before, discovering many galaxies of which they have no
idea they existed at all. But what do they know about anything which
may be far beyond the abilities of their telescopes to detect? How many
more galaxies, or whatever, exist out there that no matter how advanced
their telescopes are or will be, now elude or will completely elude them?
Do you see how ‘precise’ is your science? No wonder that your scientists
had to come up with the principle of a self-correcting necessity for any
scientific conclusions because they are never sure whether any current
knowledge about anything will be sustained or refuted somewhere along
the line of the new discoveries. So as you know, just recently the Hubbell
telescope was able to discover a new galaxy, many more light years away
than scientists could imagine. This discovery pushed back the time
during which the visible Universe began its being and existence. How
much more will such future discoveries push that time even farther back
into the past?
Peter: Talking about scientific discoveries, may I ask You humbly to
shed some light on the new theory proposed by some astronomers, that in
the view of the new discoveries, perhaps the visible Universe might not
collapse after all as expected, but will continue to expand forever,
because no sufficient gravitational pull exists that could reverse this
process of expansion? Are they correct? This would refute what was
stated about it in The New Revelation.
The Lord Jesus Christ: It depends from what point of view you look at
this claim. Let’s elaborate on this issue a little further. What do your
scientists see or observe out there? Do they have real access to the real
Creation? They don’t. First of all, their instruments of observation are
made from materials which are unable to detect anything in the true
reality of the true being and existence, that is, in the true Creation.
Those materials are taken out from the elements of which planet Zero
and the Zone of Displacement consist. Because of that, the only thing
they are able to detect, if anything at all, is something which is conducive
to that material. Thus, in view of this fact, they only see a pseudo-
universe and not the real universe.
You may ask, Peter, and I see this question in your mind, what is the
genesis of this pseudo-universe? Although some of these factors were
described throughout the books of My New Revelation, certain very
original steps in this process have not been described yet. So, let’s shed
some light on this issue. As you know, in the process of activating the
negative state, it was necessary to come up with the idea to fabricate
something which would be comparable to the true Creation but that
would be totally different from the nature of the true Creation. At that
time (at non-time!), just before the condensed matter was about to be
pushed to expansion, forming the physical dimension of the multiverse
with all its universes, galaxies, solar systems, planets and various other
celestial bodies, the pseudo-creators were allowed to separate one big
‘chunk’ of that matter, restructure its components, elements, particles
and sub-particles, and by a special type of combination of all of them,
cause an unimaginable (to you) explosion (the Big Bang Theory!), giving
rise to the pseudo-universe with all its respective galaxies, solar systems
and planets. This process happened in a parallel manner to the creation
of the real physical dimension of Creation. As you know, the creation of
the physical dimension was preceded by the creation of the spiritual and
intermediate dimensions, respectively. The pseudo-creators followed this
parallel, but with a simultaneous displacement of their pseudo-creation
from the real one. Hence, the Zone of Displacement, which is patterned
and structured in the same manner as the real Creation, but in an
upside-down position.
If you look at pseudo-creation as an upside-down reflection of the real
Creation, you may conceive the idea that the visible Universe will
expand forever because, according to the spiritual factor which underlies
Creation and reflects the Absolute Nature of The Creator, Creation has
always been, is and will be. In that sense, and only in that sense, the
eternal expansion of Creation is assured. And because the pseudo-
creation is a pale reflection of the real Creation, it also reflects this factor
of unceasing expansion, assuming it to be its own. From these facts, your
astronomers assumed the possibility that no reversal of matter will occur
and that therefore, the visible physical universe (actually, the pseudo-
universe) may expand forever.
However, in the true reality of this supposition, the pseudo-creation
cannot expand forever, because it didn’t originate in the Absolute State,
that is to say, it didn’t originate from Me directly. Relative beings gave
birth to it, implanting pseudo-laws and pseudo-principles into it which
can be nothing else but only of a relative nature. Because of this
relativity factor, the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence of the pseudo-
creation is only relative, in an absolute sense. Therefore, at one point in
time, when everything about the negative state and the pseudo-life of the
pseudo-creation comes to fulfillment, the visible physical pseudo-
universe will collapse, or fall in on itself, and the original ‘chunk’ of
matter which was extracted from the mentioned condensed matter, will
join itself to its original source, becoming an integral component of that
state, fully participating in the creation of the new physical dimension,
parallel to the creation of the spiritual and intermediate dimensions
corresponding to it. This is how you may perceive that the Zone of
Displacement could become the Zone of Placement.
Looking at the above described process (one of the many possible
scenarios!) from the global standpoint of the structure and dynamics of
this occurrence, and most importantly, from the spiritual standpoint, you
can say for sure that the universe will be expanding forever. Looking at
it from the localized standpoint of the structure and dynamics of this
occurrence, and from a typical non-spiritual approach, you can say that
the universe will most certainly end in collapse.
So, Peter, this is the reason why I preceded this explanation with the
statement that it all depends from which point of view you look at that
claim. I really hope that My answer, in response to your question, brings
you some awareness of how things could happen. The problem with your
question, Peter, is that an exhaustive answer to it is extremely difficult
to give in your typical human words and language. This process is very
complex for your human mind to fully grasp. However, intuitively and on
your spiritual level it will be possible for you to understand the meaning
of the described process.
Peter: Yes, I can feel it and I can sense it but I am unable to describe it
in my human terms. Anyway, no matter what, I am profoundly thankful
to You, my Lord Jesus Christ, for everything that You are offering to us.
Is there anything else You would like to address today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: It was My pleasure, Peter. No, this will be all
for today. Have a nice sunbath. You need it.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
