To read aloud
THIRD DIALOGUE
December 26, 1998
Peter: Before beginning with questions, I would like to apologize for
asking You so many personal questions during our two previous dialogs.
The Lord Jesus Christ: No need to apologize, Peter, no need. Let me
remind you of what was indicated in the First Chapter, mentioned
before, of Major Ideas of The New Revelation. As you remember, it
was stated there that once anyone is assigned the role, the position and
the nature to be a representative, or a speaker or transmitter of My New
Revelation, the events of the life of that person, everything that would
happen to him/her in the minutest possible details, represents or, to be
more precise, reflects some important occurrences that are happening in
the multiverse and/or in the spiritual world. In other words, the life of
such a person would be a reflection of all possible shifts that would be
happening in the course of spiritual progression and changes. As I told
you many times, I gave you, and you accepted, My mission to be the
transmitter of My New Revelation. By virtue of that assignment,
whatever is happening in your life, no matter what it is, no matter how
insignificant, has some deeper meaning and connotation, reflecting,
metaphorically speaking, the events, shifts, progression, changes, or
whatever is occurring in the spiritual and multiversal realm. Because of
this important factor, your personal questions are, in fact, not personal
but they do have a multilevel significance and they reflect something
important that needs to be stated because it has relevance not only to
you personally — although this is also the case — but to everyone and
everything else. So, due to that, you do not need to apologize. There is a
certain parallel here between what happened in the life of Apostle Peter,
as described in the third chapter of The New Revelation of The Lord
Jesus Christ, and what has been and will be happening in your personal
life.
Peter: Is this the reason for all those strange things that have been
happening in our house in Santa Barbara for the last two or three days?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes. Just look at what has been going on: In
the morning of December 24, 1998, you received a telephone call from
England, informing you that our friend, supporter and helper, Wilf
Grunau, departed planet Zero and arrived in the spiritual world. This
call came during the time you were recording our First Dialog. After
that, things started to fall apart in your house. A water leak occurred in
the guest house, your kitchen sink backed up, your vacuum cleaner broke
down, your light fixtures went out, your washing machine stopped
functioning properly, etc. This all happened at the very same time.
Peter: So, what is the significance of all these frustrating events?
The Lord Jesus Christ: There are several reasons for that. The first
one is a reflection that everything old, established, familiar and lived-in
has exhausted its usefulness, served its purpose and is no longer tenable.
Wilf’s departure from planet Zero, being who he was, what he
represented and did for all of us, signifies the beginning of a new life,
new condition, new state, new experience and new creativity. The
breakdown of various components in your house represents the fact that
everything old, stagnant, fixed and worn out needs to be removed,
replaced or repaired to give way and room to something different, more
progressive, more functional, more stable and totally new.
But there is another point to these happenings. The forces of the
negative state are aware of the monumental shift that is happening
during this time. Unfortunately for you, Peter, they are also aware of the
fact that any such monumental, important and revolutionary changes,
shifts, new beginnings, or whatever, in some way are reflected in your
life, and in all events that are happening in your surroundings, within
and outside of you. Because of that, they watch you very carefully in
order to detect the initiation of those steps, shifts, new beginnings, etc.
And although they are not aware of the specifics in this respect (for
example, they are not aware of what is transpiring between Me and you
at this moment, as we dialog together — at least not until it is written
down and read by someone else), they do know that something is going
on. Somehow they are convinced that if they can disrupt your personal
life or cause you some kind of problem or trouble, it would prevent those
shifts, changes, progressions, or whatever, from happening, which are so
devastating for them. So, they have tried to frustrate and annoy you in
order to make it impossible for you to do what you are supposed to do.
But please, notice what happened. My Divine Providence arranged that
while Richard Schumert was on his way back home to San Francisco
from visiting Dr. Beth Ann Voien, he would stop at your place and help
you fix most of those annoying problems so that you would not be
distracted from your important work. And, at this point, I would like to
join Gloria and you, Peter, in thanking Richard very much for his
willingness to interrupt his travel back home and stay with you for a few
days, helping you resolve and repair the above mentioned problems.
Peter: How do the forces of the negative state react to that?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, Peter, it is a good lesson and learning for
them. First of all, they can learn that no matter what they do, they are
incapable of preventing the needed shift, progression and changes from
happening, of which they are so terrified. And secondly, they are learning
that no matter what happens to the agents of the positive state, they are
not deterred from continuing in their important mission; and that no
matter how frustrating and annoying those breakdowns are, they don’t
get upset but remain calm, understanding and at peace.
Peter: Talking about Wilf’s departure, let me ask You the following
question, posed by the three of us (Gloria, Richard and myself): As you
know, in Swedenborg’s writings it is indicated that once someone dies by
natural causes, it takes approximately three days, or three days in our
planetary time, to resurrect that person in the spiritual world. On the
other hand, if someone dies by violent means (killed suddenly in
accidents, or shot, or by some kind of similar violent death), that person
is resurrected immediately following the accident. Is this arrangement
still valid?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes and no. In some cases, it takes three days,
in some it takes longer, and in some other cases it happens immediately.
The changes in this respect relate to the issue, emphasized so many
times before, of personalizing and individualizing one’s life. Because of
this requirement, the mode of death and the time that is needed for
resurrection is also personalized and individualized. As you know from
previous statements in this respect, there was an important agreement
between Me and each individual by which mode or way each individual
will depart planet Zero and how long it will take for them to become
aware that they have arrived in the intermediate world, or world of
spirits. A somewhat different situation exists with some agents of the
positive state, especially with those integrally connected to My New
Revelation. In their case, many things that normally happen after their
departure from your planet, are bypassed. The reason for this bypass is
that they are needed immediately to continue or to be engaged in the
works of helping with the process of eliminating the negative state. You
don’t want any delays in this respect if you want them to continue
without interruption in this extremely important work. So, don’t expect
any general, all-inclusive ways, of how these things will happen.
Peter: And now let me switch from these, more or less, personal
questions (although I do accept the fact that nothing in my life has only
personal connotation), to more general ones. The other evening, as I
watched a television program on the Learning Channel, I overheard
several interesting false statements. Let me present them one by one.
The first statement alleged that there are ancient scrolls in existence
(they now call them apocryphal scriptures) from the time of Your
incarnation on planet Zero that claim that You actually did not die on the
cross, and that You not only survived that ordeal but were saved by
someone (maybe by Joseph, the rich man), who hid You; and that You
continued to live on this planet for a long period of time, involved with
Mary Magdalene and that You had many children with her. Those
children allegedly established a line of very important persons that have
been born from that time on and that they are still among us. What is
Your comment about this allegation?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Do you remember My statement from Update
20 that the pseudo-creators took the book of The New Revelation of
The Lord Jesus Christ and rewrote it on a computer in such a manner
that every word in it is pure falsity? What do you suppose the forces of
the negative state did at the time? Parallel with the writing of the true
Gospels by My disciples, they also wrote their own version of them so
they could refute anything that was true about Me, My life on planet
Zero, regarding all My deeds, but especially the mode of My death and
whether I really died on that cross or not. The forces of the negative state
have been trying their worst during all these 2000 years to prove that
either I did not exist at all, or that I was only a regular human, albeit
enlightened, and that no such thing as the resurrection had ever
occurred. If this were the case, the pseudo-creators could have never been
locked up and separated from everyone in being and existence and in
pseudo-being and pseudo-existence. I want you to be assured that if all of
what they say were to be true, planet Zero and the Zone of Displacement
would have ceased to exist a long time ago. The importance of My death,
entrance into the Hells, mode of My death and what happened
afterwards, was nicely explained in Update 9 of the Corollaries... . It is
not necessary to repeat it here.
As far as My involvement with Mary Magdalene is concerned, no
physical children were ever produced by it. However, the result of that
involvement gave birth to tremendously important ideas, which were
utilized by Me in the process of My entrance into the Hells of the pseudo-
creators and which enabled Me to lock them up and prevent them from
further influencing and governing the destiny of planet Zero and the
Zone of Displacement. Do not forget the important fact about who Mary
Magdalene originally was. Because, by the definition of that time, she
was one of the greatest sinners of all, possessed by the most vicious
demons, My involvement with her gave me a very important and direct
access to the knowledge of all aspects of the nature of the negative state
from the standpoint of human life and human nature. What you have to
understand in this respect is that only with the knowledge of all aspects
of the negative state — from the position of experiencing it as a human
does — it was possible for Me to enter the very center of the negative
state and accomplish My mission there — without annihilating anyone in
the Hells or in the entire Zone of Displacement. If I had entered that
center without such human experiences provided for Me by My
involvement with Mary Magdalene (by her and My prior mutual
agreement!), it would have meant having entered there from the
standpoint of experiencing it from the position of My Absolute Divine
Substance, in which case no one could have survived there for a fraction
of a second. But, as you know from previous revelations to you in this
respect, such an event would have also destroyed the entire being and
existence of the positive state, for the reason that there would have been
no state, condition or place into which the negative ideas of rejecting Me
as The Only Source of Life could have been repudiated. In that case, that
idea would have struck back and killed everyone. Anything like that
could have never even entered My mind. For that reason, a very careful
plan was devised and executed by Me so nothing of that nature would
ever take place. It would be difficult for your limited human mind to
conceive and understand how My involvement with Mary Magdalene was
utilized for this most important purpose. Suffice it to say that it was
utilized in the most effective and potent way, to the dismay and
disappointment of the forces of the negative state.
At the time, the forces of the negative state didn’t realize what the
results of that involvement would produce. In actuality, they thought
that they had trapped Me and that I would succumb to the sinful mode of
life perpetuated by her. Thus, that I would become one of them. In that
case they would have won and would have taken over the entire Creation
and everything else. This was their hope, which has never materialized
itself. Instead, exactly the opposite has happened.
Peter: In the same television program it was alleged that this planet has
been visited many times by various alien beings from different planets,
solar systems and galaxies. Is there any truth to this claim?
The Lord Jesus Christ: As you know, Peter, at that time, before the
pseudo-creators’ lockup, extensive travel throughout the Zone of
Displacement was taking place. This planet was being visited at all times
by various beings of the clan of the pseudo-creators, in order to observe
and influence the development of humankind in accordance with their
own plans. After the lockup of the pseudo-creators, and after The First
Coming of The Lord Jesus Christ, for a time, such visits, in such obvious
ways, were prohibited. The reason for this prohibition was in the fact of
giving humans the choice to be negative or positive by their own free
choice and not by the imposition of various forces of the negative state, in
this case, by aliens with their advanced technologies. However, those so-
called aliens, the minions of the pseudo-creators, in fact, frequently tried
to circumvent that prohibition in order to continue visiting this planet.
But their visits, following that prohibition, were, in most instances, in a
covert but never overt manner. Of course, with the release of the pseudo-
creators, the situation is gradually changing and the resumption of overt
visits will become reality once again. Please, do remember though, that
the overt appearance of the so-called alien beings, for a time, will always
be from the negative source. So, do not be taken in by any of them or by
their very potent and convincing statements. Such statements, — as
depicted above, and which are coming to human attention at this
particular time, such as, for example, that I didn’t die on the cross, and
similar claims, — are in preparation for their reappearance. I can assure
you, Peter, and everyone who reads these words, that it will not be easy;
in fact, it will be extremely difficult not to believe their various
statements in the spirit of the above mentioned ones, especially if they
are accompanied by all kinds of convincing miracles, even resurrecting
people from the dead, and similar events. All of you are being warned
that this could happen, so that you do not fall into their trap.
Peter: As you know, recently The Third Secret of Fatima appeared on
the Internet. It is a very disturbing claim for many of its readers. I would
like You to comment on that and on the claim that World War III would
occur on July 4th of 1999, and will continue until 2028 or later, causing
tremendous destruction and the loss of millions, if not billions of human
lives.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Notice please, the language that is being used
in The Third Secret of Fatima and in all other similar “prophecies.” How
many choices do they give you? None. In actuality, you have only two
choices: Either to be destroyed or to be saved by certain well-prescribed
procedures — and that is no choice at all. Will those things really
happen, as they are being predicted, by all those numerous self-
appointed false prophets? Well, as you know from the past, the reason
why some of those types of predictions came true, was because the forces
of the negative state were able to arrange certain events in the future,
predicting them in advance, and then making sure that they
materialized in the predicted manner. Don’t forget for a minute that this
is their world and that they do have the ability to do so. You have to
understand that it is very important for them to convince humans of
their rightness so that humans would believe these events, act upon
them and follow the forces of the negative state — as always, under
disguise or in the name of God. Is there any better way than that to
mislead humans, except in the name of God?
The most abominable and devastating prediction in this respect is the
one under the name of Mary in the Secrets of Fatima. Mary is portrayed
there as someone who has the absolute position and power to influence
and/or to change anything she wants to. She places herself on the level of
God, being a Goddess that has an even higher position than her so-called
Son. Notice, please, that in those messages she never mentions the word
“Jesus,” “Christ,” or “Jesus Christ,” or “The Lord Jesus Christ” but only
“my Son.” Believe me, Peter, this is not by coincidence. Also please
notice, how she talks about a punishing God, and especially about
unleashing her Son to destroy all sinners from the face of the earth and
lock them up in the Hells forever, to literally burn unto eternity in the
fires of Hell. Unless of course, humans listen to her and do what she tells
them to do. Do you see the problem here? Let us repeat it: Unless you do
what I tell you to do, I will unleash my Son onto you and he will punish,
destroy and throw you into Hell so that you can be burned there in literal
fire forever, for good, to eternity. And what is it that she wants
you to do? She wants you to pray a daily Rosary, sacrifice for the
atonement of the sins of the world, and the solemn public Consecration of
Russia to the Immaculate Heart, to be carried out by the Holy Pontiff in
unison with all Catholic bishops. The Pope has to proclaim the last and
most solemn Marian dogma, in which the so-called Mother of God is
honored as the “Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate” of all
mankind. Together, the Pope and all international leaders have to
consecrate all nations to her immaculate heart, etc.
Do you see the ridiculousness of all these requirements? Since when had
Mary died for humans’ sins or their problems? Since when had she
become the savior of the world? By what means and merits? The real,
true Mary — the Mary that I chose as the means to enter your world —
would never, ever say anything like that and especially not in the
manner it was said. The real Mary is the embodiment of true modesty,
humbleness, innocence and humility. Like anyone else, she worships Me
as The One Absolute Lord Jesus Christ, the only One God Indivisible.
It is not by coincidence that during My stay on planet Zero, I clearly
indicated to My followers that Mary should never be considered as being
My mother. Let Me refresh your memory: Do you remember when some
of the listeners thought that I had become insane and My relatives,
hearing that, came to take Me away and maybe to lock Me up? What did
I answer to them when they told Me that “your mother, father, brothers
and sisters are here to see you?” I told them, “who is my mother, father,
sisters or brothers? Those who listen to Me and do My will.” The reason I
said this was, that among many other things, I foresaw that a Marian
cult would appear later on, after My departure from your planet. Or take
that scene when I was hanging on the cross and Mary and some of My
disciples were standing there and crying because of My suffering and
ordeal. I turned My attention to Mary, pointed My finger to My disciple
John and told her, “he is your son.” Then I turned My attention to John
and told him, “she is your mother.” And from that moment on John took
Mary to live with him so that he could take care of her.
All these events clearly indicate that Mary should never be considered
My mother in any respect or aspect of her being and existence. She was a
valuable tool, a means for My entrance into human life. I and she agreed
beforehand that this would be the case and that because of her being
such a tool, she would never use that fact to proclaim herself to be a
goddess or anything more than God.
Peter: So, who was that person who proclaimed herself to be Mary, the
mother of God?
The Lord Jesus Christ: This is a very good question. Isn’t it obvious
that she was not the real Mary? She was/is an appointee of the forces of
the negative state in order to implant in humans very wrong ideas about
the nature of God, the nature of the so-called Son of God and about her
own nature, position and power. And the reason she cunningly appeared
to those innocent children, was to give humans the strong belief that she
is so considerate, so nice, so loving, so kind and so concerned about the
destiny of humans, or of the sinners — to use her words. And not only
that, but she gives them a vision of the hells where the sinners burn in
literal fire (how ridiculous and foolish!), suffering the most horrible pain
and misery. Also, she gives them other convenient signs so that they
have absolutely no doubts that she is the real Mary and that what she
tells them is the absolute truth. What kind of God am I in her
conceptualization? A very cruel monster, a sadistic, unloving and
inconsiderate god who cannot wait for Mary to allow Me to unleash My
fury and to destroy all — unless of course, you pray your Rosary
everyday, in the way she taught you, and do other foolish, useless,
impotent, meaningless and most ridiculous rituals; proclaiming her to be
your savior and protector. Can you imagine, Peter, the life of the positive
state under those kinds of conditions? How could anybody in the positive
state be happy, joyous, productive, creative, progressive, and fulfilled
with the constant awareness that somewhere out there in the Hells,
billions and billions of people exist who are continuously and without any
interruption, going through the most horrible, the most cruel suffering,
pain and misery, burning and sizzling in literal fire, or whatever type of
hellish fire, unto eternity? How could I personally continue in My
creative effort, in everything that I constantly do, and provide for all in
My Creation, if some of My children, the so-called sinners, are
experiencing these most horrible and devastating conditions? What kind
of life would it be in the positive state? Such things are utterly
inconceivable and they are contrary to My very Nature. How could
anything like that be justified if life in the negative state is an
experiment and if everybody is in that life by agreement? And that the
agreement was, that every participant in it would be rewarded by being
ultimately saved from all its consequences, results and outcomes and
returned to the positive state?
What happened here to the concept of My Absolute Unconditional Love,
Wisdom, Mercy, Compassion and Forgiveness? Do I need to say anything
more?
Peter: No. However, what about the prediction of doomsday?
The Lord Jesus Christ: How many times in the recent decades were
such predictions made? As you know, none of them came true. What all
these predictions omit is that there are trillions and trillions of sentient
entities at all levels of being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-
existence that are in the process of making vital choices regarding the
fate of all levels of the negative state and planet Zero. Because of that,
such predicted events may or may not happen. As you remember from
some of the Updates, it was pointed out in them that there are several
different scenarios that are available for how the ending will occur.
Which scenario will be chosen depends on all the choices that all in
Creation and pseudo-creation will make. Because of that it is futile and a
waste of your precious time to be preoccupied with this issue. Do not
listen to any of them! Leave it to My Divine Providence. I know in an
absolute sense what is the best for all of you. In this respect, the outcome
is very clear. And believe Me, it is not eternal literal hellish fire that
will torture you to the very eternity!
Peter: Thank You for this explanation.
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome. And now I would suggest, if I
may, to finish it for today and resume whenever you feel the need and
whenever you are inspired by Me. Go with peace and have a nice time.
Peter: Thank You very much.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
