FORTY SECOND DIALOGUE

February 15, 1999

Peter: This morning I have a couple of questions. However, before proceeding with my questions, I would like to ask You if You have anything to add or to clarify regarding anything You wish.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for your kind offer. Yes, I do have something to add to the topic of our discussion yesterday. It relates to you personally, Peter. You have always wondered why, during the time you were writing your books containing My New Revelation, you had never been put into a position that would have allowed you to devote your full-time to your task in this respect. During all that time you had to attend to your professional job on a full-time basis. No matter how much you asked Me to provide you with some type of financial resource (for example, winning a lottery) in order to avoid being bogged down in your regular full-time job, your request was never answered or granted.

An important spiritual reason existed why you were put into such a stressful and burdensome situation. It relates to the issue of preferential treatment, discussed in the Forty First Dialog. The first reason relates to the exemplification of the fact that although you are My true representative, who is in a particularly special position as the transmitter of My New Revelation, I don’t treat you differently from anyone else. The negative state would have no recourse or reason to point a finger at you, saying that because of who you are, I prefer you to all others. If My treatment of you were different, more preferential and more considerate, and if I were to listen to you and arrange for you to win that lottery, for example, the members of the negative state would immediately conclude that I am like them. After all, it is they who established such a mode of treatment. In that case, what would be the difference between them and Me and the members of My positive state? For that reason, in some ways, your life, Peter, has been much more difficult than the life of some other people. That way, no one could blame Me or you for giving you preferential treatment. I and you agreed to this arrangement before you incarnated on planet Zero.

The second reason relates to a typical human sanity issue. During the transmission of My New Revelation, you were employed full-time. In your employment, you provided continuous clinical supervision for many professional people. You taught, advised and guided them in their clinical work with seriously mentally and emotionally afflicted people. As a professional person, you were highly respected, listened to and sought

out. Your logic, reasoning, understanding, patience, the kindness in your approach and the way you treated them were an exemplification of clarity, cohesiveness, logic, reason, stability, balance and maturity. None of these traits would have indicated to anyone that you were insane, delusional or mentally ill. All these professional people, whom you supervised, are a living attestation that you are not some kind of a crazy, insane guy who is unable to recognize the difference between right and wrong, between reality and delusions, between sanity and insanity and between rationality and irrationality, etc. Because of that, no one could or can accuse you that you were or are a mentally ill person and that therefore, all your writings are the fruits of your insane mind. An insane mind would be unable to function in the so-called normal world for a minute, especially the setting in which you were working during those times. The nature of your work required you to be highly objective, clear- headed, rational, intelligent and fully cognizant of the reality of the world and environment in which you worked and functioned.

If I were to put you in a situation in which no one out there could witness these important traits of your personality, Peter, it would be easily concluded that you are a mentally ill person with religious delusions and delusions of grandeur. In other words, they would diagnose you either as someone suffering from delusional disorder or paranoid schizophrenia. That would discredit the verity of your books and their content as being My New Revelation. This way no one in the negative state or on planet Zero or anywhere else has any reason to label you in such a manner. This is especially true about the inhabitants of the Zone Displacement and of some other dimensions. With the human situation it is a little different. Regardless of anything, they could still consider you a mentally ill person. Such is their nature.

The present situation with you, Peter, is different. You have reached the legitimate retirement age. Like anyone else, you worked to the very end of the legal age when you could retire. Again, no one can say that you were treated preferentially by Me, because I didn’t provide you with anything extra that would have allowed you to retire at an earlier age. Again, I and you agreed to this arrangement before your incarnation on planet Zero.

This is all that I would like to add to the discussed issue. You may now ask your questions, Peter.

Peter: My first question relates to the acquittal of President Clinton and the spiritual significance of this act from Your standpoint and the standpoint of the members of Your positive state and the New Universe. In other words, what is behind the scenes?

The Lord Jesus Christ: As you know, Peter, any such act has an important spiritual correspondence. In this case, it is not that much President Clinton who matters personally, but what his position and role represents, as President of the United States, and to what the United States themselves correspond and represent in the scheme of events and happenings. Not all aspects of these factors could be revealed at this time. The situation behind the scenes is still volatile, unstable and explosive, although a step was taken in the right direction. From the onset of My answer to your question, Peter, I want to make it very clear that the issue here is not whether President Clinton was guilty or not guilty as charged but the spiritual implications of the whole process as it unfolded during that time.

In some ways the entire process reflected the situation that existed and was taking place in relationship between the pseudo-creators and the renegades. It would be easier for you to conclude that President Clinton represented some faction of the renegades. However, you would be wrong in your conclusion. No matter what kind of a person President Clinton is, or how bad or good he is, in his position as the President of this country, he represents the entire United States, which is under the control of pseudo-creators. Because of this fact, his acquittal signifies or represents the acquittal of this country from the accusations of the renegades and their claim to take it over. In this sense, the renegades sustained their first serious defeat. You may ask, Peter, and I see this question in your mind, of what did the renegades accuse the United States?

In order to answer this question, you would have to know to what the United States of America spiritually corresponds. As you know, Peter, in most instances, each such correspondence is two-fold. One has a positive connotation, the other has a negative one. In the positive connotation, the United States of America represents or corresponds to that region of the spiritual world and its inhabitants which embodies freedom, independence and everyone’s right to be themselves, with the privilege for self-determination and for the unique expression, impression and manifestation of their creativity and incentives. In other words, this is a country of unhindered opportunities for everyone to be productive, creative and inventive.

In the negative connotation, the United States of America represents or corresponds to the false spirituality on which the pseudo-life of the negative state is founded. This false spirituality is rooted in money and commercialism on one side, and in fallacious religions and their numerous sects on the other side. No other country in the world has so much material riches and so many diverse and numerous fallacious religions and their respective sects as this country does. They undermine and destroy in humans any sense of true spirituality as the proper foundation for the true life.

Due to these factors, the renegades accused the pseudo-creators and, symbolically speaking, the United States of America in the person of Clinton, of double standards and hypocrisy. The renegades say that the presently existing lifestyle in this country is more congruent to their nature than to the pseudo-creators’ and that therefore, they have the right to be in control of this country and all the regions in the Zone of Displacement to which this country corresponds.

And here comes the issue of President Clinton’s acquittal. Following his acquittal, President Clinton made a brief statement in which he apologized to the people of this country, admitting his wrongdoings. Once again, he asked for forgiveness and expressed his deep sorrow for putting this country through so much suffering. By doing that, because of his representation and spiritual correspondence in his person, the United States of America and all other regions of the Zone of Displacement to which it corresponds, refuted any claims that the renegades made against them.

In this particular connotation, it doesn’t make any difference if President Clinton was sincere or not in his own personal inner self about the feelings or words he expressed. This is not the issue. The issue is that such important words and feelings were expressed. Because they were uttered to the face of the entire population of planet Zero, they set up an important foundation on which the renegades’ claim in this respect could be refuted and they could be defeated on this particular front.

Peter: Half of the population of this country, as the polls show, believed that he was sincere and the other half that he was not; although a majority expressed satisfaction that he was acquitted.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Look at this situation in the following manner, Peter. Spiritually speaking, one half represents the view of the negative state, the other half, the view of the positive state. The members of the negative state are totally unable to accept that anyone can be sincere about anything. They judge it from their own nature, which is founded on insincerity. The members of the positive state always want to accept that whenever someone asks for forgiveness, he/she is always sincere about it. Do you remember what we said before in one of the first Dialogs? That it is better to err on the positive side than on the negative side. Don’t forget this rule — ever.

In a typically psychological frame of interpreting this phenomenon, the half of the population which didn’t believe in President Clinton’s sincerity projected their own tendency to be insincere about some things. Because of that, they don’t like to admit that anyone else can be sincere in this respect. That way they assuage their own guilt, which they would have if they were to admit someone else’s sincerity.

But there is another issue to this entire situation. Look what happened at the very end of President Clinton’s brief speech. When he turned around, leaving the podium from which he addressed the press, someone shouted a question at him. He stopped, hesitated and came back despite the fact that his aides, who were standing in the background, were indicating to him not to turn back because they were afraid that he would say something which would spoil the whole outcome of his well- rehearsed speech. However, he disregarded their advice and in a totally spontaneous manner, responded with one of the most-needed-to-be-heard phrases, indicating to the entire world that if you are forgiven, you should also forgive others.

It doesn’t matter whether President Clinton really meant it or not within his own mind — that is between Me and him. What matters is that the entire world, as well as the entire Creation and the Zone of Displacement, heard his important message. These words were desperately needed to be said by someone in the position occupied by President Clinton and to what his position spiritually corresponds. If President Clinton would have been a representative of the renegades, as some of you surmised, he would have never been able to utter such words. This would be contrary to the very nature of the renegades. However, the pseudo-creators would be able to say such and similar words because, many of them, in their present state of mind, are really sorry for what they unleashed on the entire Creation. They asked for and received My forgiveness. And because of that, they are also able to forgive.

The reason why it was so important that someone like President Clinton said those words without any preparation, spontaneously and coming from his own volition, was because this world has more than enough bloodshed, vengeance, retaliation, violence, non-forgiveness, rejection and all kinds of misery and suffering. It was time that something entirely different was put into the mind of humanity — the need to forgive and to be forgiven. This is the reason why I said above that the acquittal of President Clinton was a step in the right direction. If he had not been acquitted, such words from his specific position and to what it corresponds — and this is very important to emphasize — would have never been uttered, and humanity and all mentioned regions elsewhere would be taken over by the renegades. In that case, some of the very unpleasant scenarios for the ending of the negative state, as described in the previous Dialogs, would have to be chosen. I can assure you that you don’t want to make such a choice.

So, as you see, the fundamental issue here is the issue of unconditional forgiveness. The negative state and humanity is still lacking it. They are still bent on punishment, cruelty, vengeance, retaliation and retribution. But now, thanks to the entire setup with President Clinton, they heard something they didn’t want to hear, but which registered in their mind, nevertheless. And this is important.

Talking about unconditional forgiveness and also mercy, which precedes forgiveness, I would like to remind you of two events from My life on planet Zero which happened during My First Coming. Actually, one was an event, the other was a parable.

The first case relates to a woman who was caught in the very act of adultery (John 8:3-11). So, the Pharisees and the scribes brought her to Me and asked My opinion about her situation. They hastily pointed out to Me that Moses, in the law, commanded them that such should be stoned to death. Do you think that they really wanted to know My opinion? They wanted to catch Me contradicting their laws so that they might have something with which to accuse Me. They were hypocrites. So, what did I tell them? “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” In the terms of My New Revelation, we would say that he who is without problems, let him/her be the first to condemn her. Hearing these words, being convicted by their conscience, they all went out one by one, beginning with the oldest down to the last. But the most important part of this event is when I was left alone with the accused woman. I asked her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She answered Me that no, no one had. Then I told her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

Here is a beautiful illustration of My True Nature. Everyone on your planet and in the negative state in general, represented here by the hypocritical scribes and Pharisees, by rigidly clinging to their literal laws, would like to condemn to death anyone who, in their eyes, is a breaker of their laws. In this case, President Clinton. Of course, it would be the death of his career and not his physical death. And that could be much worse than physical death. Unfortunately, even some of you, My representatives, were bent on punishing him and removing him from office without really understanding the entire setup for why his behavior was brought to light for the entire planet, not to mention to all other regions of the Multiverse. In doing so, for that moment you inadvertently and unintentionally sided with the negative state, in this case, with the renegades.

Your spiritual duty in this respect would be to respond the same way as I responded to the situation with the mentioned woman. Because President Clinton was found not guilty as charged, in that sense, the accusations against him were nullified, and he stands before Me without his accusers. For these reasons, neither I accuse him of anything. The only thing I can tell him is, “Go, do your job, and don’t repeat the same mistake again.” Thus, giving him another chance to make amends and to correct his mistakes. Whether he will do so or not is a different story. The choice is his.

As My true representatives, you are being asked right now, by Me, in all humbleness and humility, (of course, as always, only if you choose so by your own free will and choice, and in no other way!), to reflect My attitude in your own life, behavior and attitude in this case, as well as in any other situations and cases, so that you can become a beacon of bright light of unconditional mercy and forgiveness in a world where no such concepts are recognized or retained. And if there is any tendency to forgive, it is only conditional, accompanied by some strict demands, requirements and conditions, as reflected, for example, in your probationary judicial sentences. That way you will be able to set up a condition for the entire humanity, from which it will be able to derive and establish the ability to be forgiven and to forgive in the life of humans. These two concepts are inseparable. Forgiveness can be meaningful only under two conditions: One, that it be unconditional without any strings attached; two, to be forgiven and to forgive at the very same time — as was indicated so nicely by President Clinton; and of course, throughout My New Revelation, the existence of which, he has no conscious awareness.

What would happen in a case when someone is forgiven but, in turn, doesn’t offer forgiveness? This situation is nicely described in the parable of the Unforgiving Servant, as recorded in Matthew 18:21-35. This parable depicts a servant who owed his master ten thousand talents. In the value of this time, let’s say $100,000 dollars. But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. The servant fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay all.’ So, the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt without any strings attached. But what does the forgiven servant do? He goes and finds one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii (probably a few hundred dollars in your time), takes him by the throat and demands to be paid what is owed to him. The fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him to have patience and said that he would pay him. But he would not forgive him and he went and threw him into prison until he should pay the debt. So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. Then his master said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’

What were the consequences of that servant’s inability to forgive, after he himself was forgiven? He was delivered to the torturers (in our words, to the Hells) until he should pay all that was due to his master. Or in our words, until he bears all the consequences of his unwillingness to forgive no matter what. And the warning that I gave following My presentation of this parable, was very clear: The same thing will be done to you if each of you, from your heart, do not forgive your brother his trespasses, whoever he is. In this case, President Clinton. Here is the caveat: Unless you are willing to forgive unconditionally, by that attitude, you will be unable to receive or to internalize My unconditional forgiveness. Your unwillingness to forgive, blocks you from or closes the doors through which My unconditional forgiveness can enter you and perform the necessary work to eliminate the negative state from your life. This is the way it is and there is no other way in this respect.

Let Me tell you something, Peter: My role is never to be a prosecutor of anyone no matter what they did or didn’t do. I am always in the role of someone who defends. It is the nature of the negative state to prosecute. The members of the negative state like nothing better than to prosecute either their own members or, even with greater delight, the members of the positive state or you, My representatives. In some ways, metaphorically speaking, you can conceptualize the entire negative state as being a prosecutor of the positive state and of My entire Creation and Me as their defender.

In the case of President Clinton, because of the spiritual correspondence of his position and role in the scheme of things, his prosecutors were, in fact, the renegades. I defended him because it was My role to do so. It is an integral part of My Nature to be in that role no matter how much or how little any prosecuted person is guilty as charged, in your view.

Remember please, the foundation of the entire positive state stands on unconditional mercy and forgiveness. It reflects My Absolute Unconditional Mercy and Forgiveness which is being constantly and unceasingly generated from My New Nature and emanated into everyone in My positive state. Because the nature of the positive state is rooted in this condition, which is one of the most important conditions, anyone who is unwilling to forgive unconditionally or to accept My unconditional forgiveness, is unable to enter My positive state. Even if such an individual were to enter My positive state, he/she could not survive its sphere and atmosphere. It would not be conducive to the survival of such an individual.

The key word here is ‘unconditional.’ Why is it that we put so much emphasis on this word? From the position of your typical human nature you look at things very differently than how they are looked at by Me and the members of My positive state. In your human view, from the position of being in the midst of the negative state — your prior position — you are habituated to evaluate everything in human life and in the negative state in general as something very evil, bad, putrid, unforgivable, despicable and intolerable. Thus, the need to judge it and to reject it. It is appropriate to reject it but it is not appropriate to judge it. Don’t ever forget for what purpose the negative state was permitted to come to its adverse fruition. Don’t ever disregard the services it provides for all in the process of their learning about its nature. Don’t reject the fact that by the nature of its pseudo-life it will make possible for everyone to make the right choice for the fullness and completeness of life in the positive state. And even more, don’t ever forget that all participants in the negative state volunteered upon My own request to illustrate and demonstrate such putrid, evil, negative, despicable or whatever, pseudo- life.

What does all this tell you? As mentioned in My New Revelation and its Updates, they agreed to partake in illustrating such a life only under one condition, which I offered them personally: They will be forgiven UNCONDITIONALLY for whatever they would do no matter how horrible, inconceivable, evil, negative, putrid, terrible or insane it would be — after illustrating and demonstrating all consequences, outcomes and results of such deeds. Only one reason exists for the Hells’ pseudo-being and pseudo-existence — to illustrate such consequences, results and outcomes. You can see from this logic that once this illustration and demonstration is completed, no need will exist for the continuation of the Hells and their negative state. At the moment of the closure of this illustration and demonstration, My unconditional mercy and forgiveness will set in and will bring everyone out of the Hells and any other places throughout the Zone of Displacement and planet Zero.

So, as My true representatives, you need to learn to stop looking at the negative state from within its pseudo-being and pseudo-existence — which puts you into the position of judging and condemning it, and to look at it from My position and the position of My positive state — which puts you in a position of showing mercy to it and unconditionally forgiving everyone who partakes in it. Look at it as an experiment and not as something that has any other meaning or significance.

It is time for everyone to realize how false and distorted is the conceptualization of the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence of the negative state and its outcome, as offered by the human religious systems, their holy books and everyone else. It is time to break down their accursed explanation and brainwashing about its nature and the purpose for which it was permitted to appear. It is time for you to take My position and accept My explanation about all these issues and factors related to the negative state and human life. This is not an easy request. You have been in the opposite position for so long that it became a habit for you to look upon it from the commonly accepted position held by everyone, or most of everyone on planet Zero and elsewhere. Unless you are willing to change your position and accept My explanation and position in this as well as in all other respects, you won’t be able to serve Me as My true representatives. The revelation about these factors and their acceptance by you as related to the nature of the negative state is an integral part of the currently ongoing shift. And in one limited sense, the situation with President Clinton is a test set up for you to see on which side you will place yourself — on the side of the prosecutors or on the side of the defendant. You have a choice in this matter. This is very important, more important than you can surmise at the present time.

Peter: Thank You very much for bringing this to our attention. I feel that I should postpone asking my second question to some other time. Am I correct?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, you are correct. We may continue tomorrow if needed and feasible. In the meantime, have a nice day.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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