To read aloud
FORTY THIRD DIALOGUE
February 16, 1999
Peter: After I finished recording the Forty Second Dialog, it was obvious
to me that, perhaps, You would like to add something else to the topic
discussed in that Dialog. Am I correct?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, you are correct. Once again, I
would like to bring the issue of judging others to your attention. I don’t
mean it in the sense of the judicial system’s rendering judgment in
criminal or civil cases. Instead, I mean it in the sense of how humans
evaluate or look upon their fellow humans in their everyday encounters
or interactions with them. The issue here is how you treat each other and
from what position or stance you do that. Up to this point, the tendency
in this respect has been to concentrate on or seek out the negative
aspects of your personalities and behavior. Being in the human skin, and
looking on this issue from the position of life in the negative state, it is
much easier and ‘natural’ to recognize or to be influenced by the negative
aspects of each others’ behavior and attitude. On the other hand, it is
much more difficult to ascertain, accept or recognize any positive or good
aspects of such behavior and attitude. This is the way it was set up to be
in the negative state and in human life.
Knowing that this is the case, and seeing how humans treat each other,
during My life on planet Zero, I concentrated very pronouncedly and
empathetically on this issue. I outlined for them the proper mode to
relate, and how to treat each other. Take for example, My statement, as
recorded in Matthew 7:1-2: ‘Judge not, that you be not judged. For with
what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure
you use, it will be measured back to you.’
What is this statement telling you? The responsibility for the outcome of
any treatment you receive from others is ultimately determined by how
you treat others. At first glance it will be difficult to recognize this to be
so, because outwardly you may be treating other individuals very well
and in a cordial manner and yet, in return you receive a totally different,
opposite or even very negative treatment. In that case, you are totally
amazed by this treatment and you ask yourself why they treat you that
way, because in your eyes you gave them no cause to relate to you in that
way.
This is a totally external evaluation of this situation, coming from
without. In this type of evaluation, the spiritual factors as well as
subliminal factors, are not being taken into consideration. What you
have to understand about this situation is that your mutual interaction
is taking place not only on the external human level but also
simultaneously and synchronously on the spiritual and subliminal level.
To put it in other words: Your interaction has a multidimensional
occurrence and you relate to each other not only on the external human
level but also on an internal spiritual level, as well as on a
multidimensional mode. Take for example, Peter, a conversation you are
having with Dan or anyone else. In your conscious awareness you have
no other impression or experience but that you are interacting on the
level of planet Zero; Dan is sitting in New York and you in Santa
Barbara. You have no access or awareness that your conversation and
interaction is going on, at the very same time, on other levels of being
and existence, in other dimensions, and especially and particularly in
those regions from which you originated and to which you are connected
on a 24-hour basis. Also, as of recently, on the level of the New Universe.
Because of this important factor which underlies any of your
interactions, and because the reactions to any actions or behaviors are
always determined by inner dispositions, attitudes and subliminal cues,
the response to your treatment is never determined by how your
treatment of one another looks like on the external level. So, you might
be very nice, kind and cordial to another person on the external level but
internally you might have negative feelings, thoughts or dispositions
about him/her. In that case, the other person’s reaction to your treatment
would not be based on its outward signs but on your internal attitude
and subliminal cues, and especially how it is manifested and perceived
on the other levels.
On the other levels, no discrepancy is possible between your external
behavior and the treatment of each other, and your internal, factual
attitude and the way you feel about each other. Subsequently, the true
expression of this genuine, real and unpretentious treatment on that
level is projected into the external reaction of the other person’s
treatment of you, which is incongruent with your expectations, based on
your conclusions that, ‘I am treating this person so nicely and kindly and
look at how he/she responds.’
So, when I told My listeners not to judge so that they are not judged in
return, and that it will measured back to them with the same measure
they use, I was primarily talking from the multiversal levels of
understanding of the mutual relationships, warning them to be very
careful how they relate to each other, not only from the external position
and behavior but most importantly, from the internal and spiritual level.
In your case, you have to be very careful how you perceive, think, feel
and relate to other individuals on the other level and on the level of your
within in order not to trigger responses of a negative nature in them.
This is one of the reasons why you were advised throughout My New
Revelation to concentrate on the positive aspects of each individual, on
My presence within them — in their ability to choose and to change, and
not on the negative ones. After all, remember, and I am reiterating this,
no one is absolutely evil. There is no such thing as absolute evil. Only
Absolute Good exists.
For that reason, even the most evil person you could think of that has
ever existed in the history of planet Zero and human life, or even in the
history of My entire Creation and the Zone of Displacement, has some
remnants of goodness from My presence, buried somewhere deep in the
furthest recesses of his/her mind. You are advised to concentrate on those
remnants instead of on his/her evil side because, at one point in time,
those remnants will be utilized to build a foundation for that individual
on which he/she will be able to relinquish his/her evil nature and acquire
the positive one. Why do you think I retain those remnants in each
individual, including in the so-called devil and Satan? Even the devil and
Satan, or what those words represent and correspond to, are not
absolutely evil because they are not absolute. Your assignment from now
on is to switch from concentrating on the negative aspect of anyone’s
personality and behavior, no matter how repulsive it is, to concentrating
on his/her remnants which are of a purely positive nature and in which I
am present. That way you will be helping to prepare the above
mentioned foundation on which their liberation from the evilness and
negativity of their lives will be accomplished. Up to this point, before you
became My representatives, and were My agents, it was appropriate to
notice and to translate their negative aspects to the positive state for the
purpose of learning and comparison. However, this is no longer required
from you because your role has totally changed in your position as My
true representatives.
However, there is another point to this issue. If you judge someone, if you
measure someone by your own measurements or in other words, if you
project your own external opinion on how others are or what they are, or
what position they are in; and if you project your own expectations of
how they should be, or how they should behave or relate to you or to
anyone else, by the factors of your attitude and expectations in this
respect, as a consequence, you are setting yourself up to receive the very
same type of attitude and treatment from others. The way you have to
understand this statement is that by your own projections and
expectations, you send out a subliminal message to others, which
message they perceive and understand on their internal level as your
desire and need to be treated exactly in the same manner as your
projections and expectations demand. In other words, they would
conclude on their inner level that you don’t want to be treated or related
to in any other way but what you are projecting onto or expecting from
them.
This is what My words ‘judge not, that you be not judged; and with the
same measure you use, it will measured back to you’ really mean and
signify.
Why am I bringing this issue to your attention at this particular time?
Two reasons exist for this need. One, you need to be trained, as My true
representatives, to align your internal attitudes, behaviors, dispositions,
reactions and relatedness with your external ones. Otherwise, you could
not properly function from the position of your placement in the midst of
the positive state. Such discrepancies are possible only from the position
of the negative state and human life. It is their nature to be that way. As
long as you were positioned in the midst of the negative state and human
life, such behavior was the only possible and feasible one. Otherwise, it
would have been difficult for you to survive.
However, with the currently ongoing shift, your repositioning requires a
different mode of behavior and attitude. An alignment has to be made
with how things are set up in the positive state. Because it is being
brought to your attention how all kinds of interactions take place on
many levels of being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-
existence, and how the ultimate cause for any external reactions is
anchored in those other levels, by the factor of this information, you are
being given a means or tools by which you will be able to gradually train
yourself in accomplishing this important alignment. It will take time, a
lot of time. It will not happen overnight, so-to-speak. The result of your
life-long training on this planet to be the other way, habituated you to be
in misalignment between your internal states and your external
behavior, or how you manifest yourself externally in the eyes of other
people. You need to overcome this bad habit.
Two, from the above interpretation of My Words, which I said at that
time, it is obvious that many of My statements of that time relate to this
time and not to that time. One of the reasons why it was permitted that
no one on planet Zero has taken My Words of that nature seriously, as
well as many other Words I said at that time, and why humans have
continued to be judgmental and unforgiving, was because the need to
implement them is now and not then. As My true representatives, by
your own free will and choice, and only by your own free will and choice,
you are being put into the position to implement, illustrate and
demonstrate those Words.
In view of these facts, it is not by coincidence that Christianity, in most
instances, had disregarded My Words, and instead, put Paul’s rules and
regulations into the foundation of their doctrines, as recorded in his
Epistles. If you carefully analyze the content of his Epistles, you will
notice how much of the wrath of God, judgmental attitudes, elitism,
preferential treatment and similar negative factors are contained in
them. At the very same time, parallel to those, and in contradiction to
them, you will find likewise a lot of very loving, kind and considerate
words. In a logical construct, when you put together such contradictory
statements, you nullify the meaning of the positive ones, retaining only
the meaning of the negative ones. This logical construct yields to the law
on which human nature was fabricated and stands. Whenever negative
aspects are emphasized in such statements, and if they are accompanied
by positive ones, the tendency of human nature would be to disregard the
positive ones and to concentrate on and accept only the negative ones.
This is the reason why most of the time, preachers like to preach from
their pulpits about the wrath of God, fire and brimstone, the Judgment of
God, the preferential treatment of certain well-chosen individuals-saints,
and about similar negative attitudes of God toward those who don’t obey
His commandments.
This Christian conceptualization of the nature of God, based on the Old
Testament and Paul’s teachings, completely blocked out the awareness in
the human mind of the true spiritual reality of the positive state and of
My Nature. As mentioned above, this was permitted to happen in order
to give an opportunity for the illustration of a lifestyle based on a
distorted and falsified understanding and acceptance of Who I am, what
My True Nature is and what the positive state is all about. At the same
time, this block was utilized for the purpose of timeliness in bringing
about the fulfillment of everything that was contained in My Words,
uttered at that time. In other words, it was not time to fully implement
them until now.
You have to understand one important thing: Some of My Words, spoken
at that time, were addressed to the inhabitants of other worlds, and only
to them. Some of them had relevance only to that time and to no other
times. Some of them were meant for the current time, during the shift
currently going on and not for that time or any other time. And finally,
some of them were meant for all times and for all inhabitants of all
dimensions and pseudo-dimensions as well as for all humans.
At this point in time we’ll emphasize My statements from that time,
which are applicable for this particular time, and specifically for you as
My true representatives. As you see, you are being put into the position
of fulfilling them. This is the major reason why we are talking about
them now.
One of the spiritual dangers of misunderstanding what My Words meant,
to whom they were addressed and to what times they should apply, is
that their untimely application or implementation may lead to a total
failure on the part of those who are improperly applying them on
themselves, during their own time. In order to avoid this extreme danger
from happening on an all-out scale, it was permitted for Paul’s teachings
to take precedence over My Words, spoken at that time, so that humans
and others would be prevented from falling into the traps set up for them
by the forces of the negative state in this respect.
Peter: It makes perfect sense to me why this is the case. It also clearly
indicates why certain things have to be brought to our attention at this
time even though they happened or were said a long time ago.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Exactly, Peter. It also tells you that time and
place, from our standpoint are totally irrelevant. It is only in your world
and in your mode of linear thinking that the factors of time and space
become reality. Up to this point, you have been functioning from their
perspective and not from our non-time, non-space perspective. As you
see, the issue here is not when or where it was said or implied but that it
was said or implied at all. In its application it may be projected either
sometime into the future, or to the present or even into the past. And this
leads us to another question, derived from your telephone conversation
yesterday with Dan and Olga of New York. The question was: What did I
do before My Creation was created and before any sentient entity was
conceived?
As you see from the way this question was formulated, the factor of time
was applied to it. The word ‘before’ indicated that there was a before time
and then there was an after time. It improperly assumes that I was
creating in time and space. As it was mentioned in My New Revelation,
in the Big Book, in Chapter 21, time and space were the end product of
My creative efforts and not their beginning or building blocks. They were
introduced only in the final phase of My creative effort at the conception
of the occurrence of the physical-matter dimension of My Creation. This
process is extremely difficult to explain to your human mind. Look at the
words we are using here and how limited they are by the time-bound
sense. We are using such words as ‘at the beginning,’ ‘the end product,’
conception,’ ‘occurrence,’ etc. No matter what, to your mind they are
time-space bound. Nothing exists in your mind which would even
remotely approximate how all these things happened and what I was
doing ‘before’ the very first sentient entity was created. Was I really
alone and, in some ways, lonely? If you look at it from the standpoint of
the process of creation, then, yes, I was alone but not lonely.
However, if you look at it from the standpoint of My Absolute State,
apart from its Absolute Process, then in My State, the answer is, ‘no,’ I
have never been alone or lonely because in My Absolute Mind, which is
not time-space bound, you were all present as My unique ideas with
whom I was in the process of interacting on a continuous basis, planning
out how things would be from the standpoint of time and space as well as
from all other non-temporal and non-spatial conditions. So, in that State
you have always been present as My exquisite ideas and their potential
manifestation in the outwardness of My Absolute Attention. What you
have to understand about this situation is that there is a state of
inwardness and a process of outwardness. In the state of inwardness you
all existed as My ideas and as potentials for becoming the process of
outwardness or outside of Me. While in the state of inwardness, I was in
constant communication with you as My ideas. It was during this state of
your existence when you were asked the most important question of your
life, whether you wanted to be and exist as a unique manifestation of
those ideas in the state of outwardness, outside My Absolute State, and
as unique individuals in whom I put the same attributes as I have, only
in a relative condition.
Once you agreed to become your own being and existence, before it
happened, together we planned out and entered into a mutually binding
agreement about all conditions, situations, lifestyle, relationships and
everything else related to your own unique manifestation at any level of
My Creation (and later on, in the pseudo-creation) in which you would be
needed and placed.
Do I change My Nature in the process of these events or do I evolve in a
similar manner as you do or as any sentient entity does? Any time
something new is conceived, My Nature changes accordingly. The
Absolute State of My Nature never changes. It always is, meaning ‘I AM’
always is in an Absolute sense. This condition can never change.
However, the process of My manifestation is always in the state of
change and evolvement. Whereas in My Absolute State of ‘I AM’ I am
always the same, in the process of My manifestation, as the process of
My State, I am never the same. The state of life is always ‘is.’ The
process of life always proceeds. Because of the dynamic nature of this
process, nothing can ever be the same at each moment of its proceeding.
Only in its state, because it always is, that ‘is,’ by its always being, can
never change its mode of being. However, the mode of its existence is
always changing and therefore, it is never the same. As you see from this
very difficult discourse, the state is equated with being, whereas the
process is equated with existence.
So, in answering your, and Dan’s and Olga’s question, it is obvious that
both conditions are fully applicable to My Absolute Nature: I never
change but, paradoxically speaking, I am also in a constant change. Can
you understand this paradox and how it applies to everything?
Peter: With difficulties, but intuitively I am remotely grasping it.
Talking about timeliness and time and space, my original personal
question, which I already wanted to ask You yesterday is, why is it that
during my scanning the fourth chapter of Who Are You and Why Are
you Here? into my computer I felt such a tremendous, almost physical
aversion toward its content, toward all those steps, procedures,
prescriptions, rituals in the security checks as well as toward the words
‘spiritual hypnosis and spiritual self-hypnosis’ with a subsequent strong
aversion toward my professional work as a clinical psychologist and
everything related to it, until the time of my retirement?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Isn’t it obvious, Peter, from what we discussed
above and in all other Dialogs? First of all, that type of position and the
work related to it exhausted its usefulness and served its purpose. You
cannot go back in time. However, the major reason for this aversion is in
your possible temptation to revert back to that type of work for purely
financial reasons. You are afraid that you will not be able to survive
financially with your retirement allowances. This is the reason why you
wanted to maintain your professional license in California. You were
telling yourself that, ‘well, if anything happens, I will always be able to
go back into making money as a clinical psychologist.’ So, an aversion
was induced into you about your past work in your professional field in
order to prevent you from ever going back into it. In your case, Peter, it
would be a spiritual regression. There is nothing for you in that life to
manifest or to exemplify any longer. It would be a futile waste of your
time and precious energy. You are needed now in a totally different role
and position.
Also, all those methods described in the fourth chapter of that book or in
the fifth chapter of the Big Book, are no longer necessary or needed. At
that time, when the positive state was, symbolically speaking, very
remote from or had no connection with the negative state, in order to
circumvent that condition, it was necessary to design such steps. Don’t
forget please, that at that time, the road to the state of your within and
to the positive state was very narrow, difficult, arduous and almost
impossible. Many roadblocks were in place, guarded by various demons
and evil and negative spirits whom you needed to encounter and deal
with. They were placed there in order to discourage you and make it very
difficult for you to proceed on that road and to reach your destination.
Because of that, complicated and very precise security checks and rituals
had to be developed in order to countermand the efforts of those demons
and spirits, as well as of your own pseudo-mind.
At the present time however, when the positive state was put right into
the midst of the negative state in an insulated and protected condition,
things were simplified in this respect. All you have to do now, is to shift
your attention and your awareness to its presence and to My personal
presence with you and within you. Because of that, all those procedures
and rituals became totally obsolete and unnecessary. And not only that,
but they became subsumed by the negative state so that if you were to
try to use them, they would bring you in contact only with the negative
state and its inhabitants, who would pretend to be and appear like Me
and the members of your true spiritual family. Your response to that
situation, Peter, brings an appropriate aversion within you in order to
warn you to never again go back to using those methods or to practicing
spiritual hypnosis or spiritual self-hypnosis or any other form of
psychotherapy in which you used to be engaged. Does this answer your
question, Peter?
Peter: Yes, thank You very much. Is there anything else we should
discuss today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, perhaps we should touch upon another
topic of your discussion with Dan and Olga of New York. It relates to the
issue of why I, having incorporated Human Nature within Me, would not
come to your level physically and speak to you in the physical speech,
and not in mind speech as we are talking right now, Peter. The three of
you correctly answered that question. However, for the sake of all others,
let’s relate those reasons. As long as you are in the human body, and
because with that body you are still positioned in the negative state, even
though your spirit and soul are no longer there, you cannot be in the
state of your ultimate choice. Should I appear to you physically and talk
to you in the external human speech, I would lock you forever into the
ultimate choice, the choice which you are currently manifesting. In that
case, no other choices would be available for you to make. Thus, under
these conditions, My appearance to you in this manner would put you
into a position of imposition and of no further choice. In that case, you
would lose your freedom of choice and you would be excluded from
making any further choices. For the final all-inclusive choice to be made,
you need to have all participants in a position of freedom of choice. If
someone out there is in the position of not being able to make any further
choices, ever; in that case, no one else could make that ultimate all-
inclusive choice either. Someone’s choice would be missing from the
cache of everyone’s choices. In this case, your choice would be missing
from it.
As long as the negative state exists and as long as human life in its
present condition exists, My physical appearance, even if it were limited
only to My representatives, would lock the negative state and human life
into their condition forever without any possibility of getting out of their
condition. The illustrative and experimental mode of their pseudo-being
and pseudo-existence, the only source of their pseudo-life, would be
violated and cancelled by My physical presence. In that case, without
having any other alternative, and without being properly prepared for
life in the positive state, they would eternally perish. Such an outcome
would be very negative in itself. In that case the negative state would
ultimately win because I would endorse it by My sheer physical presence
in the externals where the negative state was originated and put into
motion in the first place. Don’t forget, Peter, that under the presently
existing conditions, there are still many more choices to be made by all of
you. Even though now you have chosen to be My representatives and/or
followers forever, because of those numerous choices facing you, you still
can make a different choice, as needed, if needed and if feasible. Your
presently existing choices are made in the condition of the transition
which is going on during the spiritual shift currently happening.
Anything which is chosen during a transitional period, cannot be
appropriated to you in an ultimate sense. However, My physical
appearance to you would prematurely put an end to this transitional
period, when neither you nor anyone else is ready to exit it because you
are not yet facing the ultimate choice. So, this is the way the situation is
at the present time. Once you are in the position to make such an
ultimate choice, then and only then My physical presence could be
manifested in your personal lives. And this is all for today, Peter.
Peter: Thank You very much for Your beautiful explanations.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
