FORTY FIFTH DIALOGUE

February 18, 1999

Peter: After I finished recording the Forty Fourth Dialog, and after thinking about that part which talks about the proper understanding of the meaning of correspondences, I became very confused. My confusion led me to my usual doubting about whether what I wrote is really coming from You. My doubting led to the usual nonsense that I go through every time it happens. Because of that, before asking some other question, may I ask You in all modesty, humbleness and humility, to clarify for me that part of Your explanation which relates to the origin of correspondences and to what, to whom, and under what circumstance they apply?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Your confusion, Peter, is not by coincidence. If you were not confused, you would bypass this issue and you would go straight to the question which is on your mind this morning. And yet that question of yours has a direct relevance to the issue of correspondences and how to understand and apply them.

Your confusion stems from the misunderstanding of the source, origin and projection of correspondences and their reflection in the outside environment. Also, from the statement that a sentient entity cannot be his/her own correspondences because he/she is their originator and projector. However, in your mind, you assumed that every object and subject corresponds to something or someone on all levels of being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence. The assumption that there are corresponding factors to everything in being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, is correct in essence. The assumption that objects and subjects are such correspondences in themselves and by themselves, is incorrect.

The confusion is between the function of those objects and subjects, and the objects and subjects as objective entities themselves. It is not the objects and subjects that are correspondences but instead, it is their function, representation and the purpose for which they were put in their own state in the first place that have correspondences.

As you see from this differentiation, there is a state of any object and subject, and there are their function, representation and purpose. Take for example, such an object as a diamond ring, so much cherished by humans. In its state as such, in its chemical components, its has no meaning. Because it has no meaning in its state, it doesn’t correspond to anything. However, the role, position, function and purpose, which are solely ascribed to it by the human mind, all have very significant spiritual correspondences. This is a good example of how correspondences originate and how the function of external objects is determined by the sentient mind. If no such determination would be forthcoming from the sentient mind, no one would ever pay attention to the meaning of the objects and subjects in themselves, because they would have none.

Furthermore, your confusion, Peter, also relates to the discussed black or dark human skin. In this sense, it relates to the human body in general. The question is, does the human body and its organs have spiritual correspondence or any correspondence at all? You have always assumed that it does. As you know, Swedenborg and many other mystics ascribed many prolific correspondences to it. However, in My statement yesterday, I indicated to you that skin color doesn’t depict any type of correspondence and that it cannot have any negative or positive correspondence because its carriers are sentient entities. This statement would contradict anything that was revealed through Swedenborg in this respect. The contradiction is a seeming one. It is not the human body, its organs and its skin that correspond, but their function, role, purpose and the services they provide for the human spirit and soul, or the human mind in general.

In this sense, it is not the color of the skin that has any meaning, but its function and the reason why the black or dark color of the skin was chosen to manifest in the external world. From this standpoint, both suppositions are correct. Looking at the human skin and its color from the position of the function ascribed to it by the human sentient mind, it has a very important spiritual correspondence. Looking at it from the position of its being an object as such, without any projected purpose by the sentient mind, by itself and in itself, it has no such correspondence.

Here we have two objects. One is the human skin and the other is the human body in general. What are their spiritual correspondences? It can be derived only from the function they perform during the life of one’s spirit and soul on planet Zero. The function of the skin is to hold all bodily organs together and to protect them from the contamination, poison, harshness and pollution of the external environment. In other words, it keeps the bodily organs together and in a healthy condition. Thus, it has a protective and preventive function. This specific function of the human skin has a spiritual correspondence to the physical multiverse which functions in the role of such a protector and preventor and which holds together the entire Creation. In other words, the physical multiverse is the skin of My Creation. In a higher sense, the function of the skin corresponds to My Absolute Role as Absolute Protector and Preventor from any harm to be done or sustained by anyone anywhere or anywhen in being and existence, and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, and for holding together My entire Creation in one cohesive, orderly, lawful, elegant and meaningful mode.

On the other hand, what is the function of the human body in general, and its spiritual correspondence in particular? In its function, the human body can be considered a very specific environment formed from its spirit’s and soul’s ideas for the purpose of providing them with a suitable form in which they would be able to manifest themselves, to function in the external planetary conditions and to become tangible and solid. The human body is a means through which that specific spirit and soul discharge their life in a condition where no other means for such a discharge exist. The human body spiritually corresponds to all the means through which and by which any sentient mind is enabled to manifest its unique and specific life. In a higher sense, it corresponds to any environment in being and existence, and pseudo-being and pseudo- existence, in which, sentient entities are able to manifest their lives and function properly in accordance with their purpose, goal, mission and assignment.

In the highest spiritual sense, the human body corresponds to My sphere, atmosphere and environment, from which I function and manifest Myself to My Creation.

Of course, as you know, all such correspondences as depicted above have their negative meaning as well. Nevertheless, they are spiritual correspondences and they all derive from the functions of sentient minds, no matter where they are situated or reside — in the positive state or in the negative state, respectively.

So, to summarize our discussion about black or dark human skin, we can reiterate for sure that its color, as such, doesn’t constitute any negative or positive correspondence, respectively. However, looking at that color from the standpoint of its original function and from the standpoint of the purpose for which it was chosen by the sentient mind in the first place, we have a significant correspondence. In the original human life setup, the dark skin functioned as a protection from strong sun rays. It prevented the skin from sustaining painful burns, among other positive functional things. So, as you see, in this sense, this color or its function, had a positive connotation and correspondence. Later on, as anything else in human life, it was turned into something negative, giving rise to discrimination, bigotry and racism. Similarly, as with the mentioned coffee beans, which originally were of a green color, and subsequently, by human endeavors turned into the black and harmful one; the human black or dark skin was ascribed inferior qualities, leading to the enslavement of African people and giving them and their black color an unjust and very negative connotation.

Of course, a more important spiritual issue here is not what the function of black skin is, but why anyone would have chosen to incarnate on planet Zero into such a condition. The positive purpose of this choice can be found in the illustration and demonstration of the fact that no matter what kind of external environment and outward form of manifestation one chooses, they are not the most important and decisive factors in determining his/her spiritual orientation, inclinations and directions, but his/her inner dispositions, character and nature. Therefore, anyone, no matter what color, shape or form, has an important role to play in the destiny and outcome of sentient life in general, and human life in particular.

The negative purpose for this choice can be found in the illustration and demonstration of the fact of how such insignificant and unimportant external factors can become a means for the most cruel, harsh and sadistic treatment and what happens when these insignificant and unimportant factors are considered to be the most significant and important. The learning here is very clear: Never ever consider anything different than what it is in its essence and substance because otherwise it will lead you into the same situation and condition that the human life has been manifesting throughout its entire history.

Does this answer eliminate your confusion, Peter? Or do you need any more clarification and explanation?

Peter: Yes, it does; and I thank You very much for bearing with my stupidity and limitations.

The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome, Peter. However, I wouldn’t consider it your stupidity. Maybe limitations, which are inherent in the structure of your human mind. So, don’t be so harsh on yourself. Okay, you may ask the question which has been on your mind.

Peter: My question relates to one of the statements which You made during Your stay on planet Zero and which, in its literal sense, doesn’t make any sense. It seems so cruel and unreasonable that I wonder why it was said at all. At the same time, my question is whether the meaning of that statement has any relevance to the currently ongoing shift and to us personally, as Your representatives. The statement in question is recorded in Matthew 5:29-30. I quote, ‘And if your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.’ You know, this statement also gives a lot of problems to all those fanatics who cherish the literal sense of the Bible so much. They don’t know what to do with it. Sometimes, they grudgingly and unwillingly have to admit that maybe, you didn’t mean it literally. Otherwise, they would have to walk around with plucked out eyes and cut off hands. Would You be so kind so as to shed some light on that statement?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Gladly, Peter. This is an excellent confirmation of the fact that in most cases, the literal interpretation or understanding of the Biblical statements has no sense. Not only does it not have any sense but it can lead to some very harmful consequences. And although none of the mentioned religious zealots ended up literally plucking out their right eye or cutting off their right hand, in some very rare cases of mental illness, particularly in schizophrenics, it did happen that way. You have to look at that statement of Mine in the context it was made. It relates to a statement made in a previous verse, verse 28, and I quote, ‘But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’ The interpretation of the true meaning of verse 28, you can find in The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ, Chapter 20, pages 633-634 (English version, Second Printing). Any reader of this Dialog would be advised to reread those pages or even the entire Chapter 20. It is not necessary to repeat it, because here we will be dealing with a different aspect of the statement recorded in verses 29-30.

The relationship of verses 29-30 to verse 28, is nicely illustrated in a story by the great Russian writer, Tolstoy, in which he describes a saint- monk who lived in a cave and had frequent visitors from aristocratic circles who came in order to hear his pearls of wisdom. One such visitor was a beautiful lady who was making an all-out effort to seduce him and have sexual intercourse with him. Feeling a very strong sexual pull toward her and knowing that he would not be able to resist her seductions, he took an ax and cut off his finger in front of her. His act horrified her so much that she never again tried to seduce him or to come back to see him.

But was it really necessary for him, or anyone else for that matter, to take such an extreme measure in order to avoid the sexual feelings he experience toward her based on her seductions? From this example, you can clearly see the kind of consequences to which the inappropriate understanding and interpretation of My Words may lead.

Now is the time to correct this misunderstanding and misinterpretation. Let us look at the real meaning of that statement and its relevance to the presently existing situation during this shift.

Notice please, that the emphasis was placed on the right eye and the right hand. What are the functions they perform in your life, and especially on the right side? The obvious conclusion is that the eyes enable you to perceive things in your external environment, and the hands enable you to manipulate things in your external environment. However, because here we are talking about the right eye and the right hand, the issue is much deeper than that. Your ability to see, recognize, understand and accept the real truth is depicted in the positive connotation and correspondence of the function of the right eye. In other words, it is your ability to distinguish between right and wrong, and between the true reality and the false one, or between falsities and distortions and the real, pure and uncontaminated truth, or in the highest sense, between Me as the only True One God Indivisible and all other false gods.

If you put yourself into the position of being tempted to disregard the true reality of the being and existence of the positive state, and in a higher sense, of My Absolute Being and Absolute Existence, and if you choose to accept your human life as the only reality in being and existence, and that, life, any life, is not generated from My Absolute Life, but from someone or something else, then you are advised to get rid of such a tendency, symbolically depicted here as plucking out your right eye, in order to avoid the possibility of condemning yourself to hell. In a more symbolical way, this suggestion indicates the need to get rid of that idea implanted in everyone’s mind, that they have the right (right eye!) to reject Me as the Absolute Source of their life — or of any life at all. In that case, it is better not to have that idea in your mind (your right eye!) than to be in danger of accepting it as the only reality, and as a consequence, to find yourself in the negative state with everything else contained in your mind, represented here by the words ‘your whole body.’

After all, if you were to take it literally that your body could be cast into hell, it would mean that your physical body could survive to eternity. Such a conclusion refutes the logic of the reality of your body’s limitation to only your physical life during your stay on planet Zero. Everyone knows that their body is either burned and turned into ashes or buried in the ground, where it disintegrates into dust or its elemental particles. So, it is obvious that I didn’t speak about the human physical body but about its function and purpose as in the manner described above, before you posed your second question, Peter. This is the reason why I mentioned before that your confusion about correspondences and how to interpret and understand them has a direct relevance to your question, Peter.

On the other hand, the function of your right hand corresponds to the factor of power, determination, vitality, potency, vigor, life force energy and strength, which underlie your ability to do things, perform various tasks and succeed in all your endeavors. Because it is the right hand, it clearly indicates that such power, determination, strength, vitality, vigor, potency, energy and everything related to them is rooted in the being and existence of the positive state. In the highest sense, it indicates that power, strength, vigor, determination, potency, life force energies, and everything related to them, derive from, and are made possible by My Absolute Power, Potency, Strength, Vitality, Vigor, Determination and Life-Force Energies and everything related to them.

Should you be tempted to reject these facts, and should you ascribe any of them to any other source other than to its true originating one — that is, to Me and to My positive state — then it would be better for you if you get rid of accepting such a tendency; or symbolically speaking, it would better for you if you cut off your right hand than choosing to accept something which would deprive you of all your power, determination, strength, vitality, vigor, energies and everything else and place you into hell with everything else you have.

This factor also relates to that idea, contained in every sentient mind, that they may choose to reject Me as being the only source and emanator of those characteristics which correspond to the function of your right hand.

On the other hand, the function of the left eye and the left hand has a similar correspondence in relationship and position toward the negative state.

However, there is another point to the discussed issue. Because of the literal interpretation of My statement at that time, everyone assumed that I was talking about a literal physical human right eye, a literal physical human right hand and a literal physical human body. And yet, in that statement or requirement nothing even remotely exists that would relate to anything physical in nature, or to the nature of the human physical body and its organs.

The question is then: What was I talking about? First of all, during those days, because of the spiritual conditions that existed at that time, I was simultaneously talking to the members of the positive state who were in contact and interacting with the pseudo-creators and their minions. As you remember, at that time, before their lockup, the pseudo-creators had full access to the positive state, to its outward degree or sphere. A tremendous effort was put out by the pseudo-creators and their agents to recruit the members of the positive state of those regions to their cause. Many in that region of the positive state were hesitating, being tempted to consider the pseudo-creators’ offer, thinking that the pseudo-creators’ ideas might be right. In other words, they were looking at the promises and offers of the pseudo-creators as something feasible and possible.

If you take the meaning of the preceding verse in Matthew 5, verse 28 into consideration, their hesitation and potential for being seduced by the pseudo-creators was establishing a condition within them which would give rise to lust for the negative state in their hearts, depicted in that verse by the word ‘woman.’ In that case, they would commit spiritual adultery. As a consequence of such act, they would fall out into the Zone of Displacement, into one of its hells.

My statement functioned as a warning for them not to fall into that condition and not to be seduced by anything which was offered to them by the forces of the negative state. When I spoke about their right eyes, right hands and their bodies, this designation has an entirely different meaning than what you understand it to be. First of all, the members of that region of the positive state that we are talking about, as well as everyone else in the spiritual world, have their own specific bodies with the specific organs relevant to them. Those bodies and their organs are not subject to decay as are human bodies and their organs. For that reason, whenever anyone was seduced by the pseudo-creators and accepted their offer (and it did happen on several occasions!), that individual was thrown out into hell with his/her body and its organs intact.

Secondly, cutting off the right hand and plucking out the right eye signified for them getting rid of the spiritual infection that was blinding their proper perception of the pseudo-creators’ real purpose and goal and weakening the power of their will to resist them and to stand up to them. So, they were recommended to undergo a spiritual surgery which would remove this affliction and restore their proper perception and the power of their will.

You have no idea, Peter, what type of cleaning and restructuring was necessary to undertake after the pseudo-creators and their minions were removed from that region. It took a long time, from the standpoint of your planetary time, to accomplish that goal. It is impossible to describe for you in understandable terms what that process of cleaning and restructuring entailed. Suffice it to say that the healing of all involved was accomplished, and everyone who didn’t succumb to those promises of the pseudo-creators, was cured. In a symbolical depiction, this process of getting rid of all the mess which was induced by the pseudo-creators and their minions in that region, can be described as plucking out their right eyes and cutting off their right hand, so that they would not be in danger of being thrown out into hell with everything they had and possessed — signified here by their bodies.

How do these factors relate to the presently ongoing shift and to you personally as My true representatives? Everything and everyone is being put into the position of making a decisive and final choice to reject that idea from their mind permanently. This is the reason why My statement of that time relates both to that time and to this time. At that time, it was related primarily to the situation that existed in the mentioned region of the positive state. It had no relevance to anything human or human life. Any attempt to apply it to human life, as you’ve seen it, Peter, ends in total nonsense.

For this time, during the time of the currently ongoing shift, symbolically speaking, it is time that you all think about plucking out your right eye and cutting off your right hand, should you still have any doubts about the true reality of everything that is being presented to you. In your particular case, you are encouraged to train yourself to get rid of the above mentioned idea in order to prepare yourself for what is to come and for the purpose of setting up an example which would indicate to everyone in the negative state and in human life, that it is possible to take the first steps in that direction while you are still in your human body and on planet Zero.

Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation. It makes perfect sense to me. One more thing I would like to mention. During my breakfast break, when I was reading today’s newspaper, an article was published there about You. A group of 200 scholars proclaimed that You were one of the first stand-up Jewish comics, a homeless, rule-breaking iconoclast who mocked authority and never claimed to be the Messiah. They also claim that only 18 percent of the New Testament sayings attributed to You appear to be authentic, and that only 16 percent of the stories told about You in the gospel appear to be true. How do You like that?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter. This is the reason that I urge you to undertake such an exploration in order to make everything in your life, right. That way, the forces of the negative state will have no recourse in interfering with your work or in influencing you in an adverse manner.

Peter: Are there any other comments You would like to make?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, Peter, we have already discussed this issue in one of the previous Dialogs. It only confirms what was said about it at that time. Isn’t it obvious how much the forces of the negative state are trying to discredit anything that I said or did during My First Coming? This is an integral part of the establishment of the final phase of the pseudo-winning of the negative state on your planet. This is a sign of an all-out effort to convince everyone that I am not what I appear to be. The purpose of such articles is to destroy any correct notion in the human mind about My True Nature. Once it is destroyed completely, the negative state pseudo-wins.

Peter: Once again, thank You very much for Your input in these matters. Is there anything else You would like to convey today?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Not at this time, Peter. Unless there are some important questions that would come your way or initiated by you, Peter, I would recommend for you to take a few days break. Until then, have a very pleasant time.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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