FIFTY SECOND DIALOGUE

March 5, 1999

Peter: Interestingly enough, today I would like to present for Your consideration, two questions. I have been pondering one question for some time but it was not until yesterday when I received an E-mail from Mr. Beneš, in which he was asking a very similar question, that it became obvious to me that I should present it to You. The second question, which has been asked for some time now by Heather of Rochester, Minnesota, has a totally opposite connotation although it is somewhat connected to the first one. I look at these two questions as two extremes of the function of life and death. The first question relates to the issue of ending one’s life voluntarily (not a physician-assisted suicide which we discussed previously) and whether such a voluntary ending happens, or is possible, in the positive state, as well as in the negative state, in a similar fashion as it occurs sometimes in human life on planet Zero. Heather’s question relates to the issue of organ transplants in order to preserve human life or to continue in it for some additional time. Both issues relate to free will and freedom of choice either to end one’s life or to continue in it. If one is ‘condemned,’ so-to-speak, to eternal life, does one have the right and privilege to end that life for good and forever? In other words, can anyone choose not to be and not to exist in an absolute sense after he/she agreed to come to his/her individual and personal life?

The Lord Jesus Christ: The first question about the possibility of choosing to end one’s life eternally, or not to be and not to exist in an absolute sense, following one’s agreement to come to one’s life, stems from the misunderstanding of the concept of life itself, in general. As you know, I am the Absolute Life in Myself, by Myself, of Myself and from Myself. Because of this axiomatic factor, any life, no matter what kind it is, in its originating point, may and can derive only from Me. No other state and process of life, as well as its manifestation and actualization is possible under any conditions. As you know, even the pseudo-life of the negative state and human life are possible only because of My Absolute Life. This life energy, which continuously and unceasingly emanates from Me, makes it possible to produce any other derivatives of life from which, also, the pseudo-life and human life were produced.

How does an individual, unique, non-duplicable and personalized life, as reflected in every sentient entity, whether positive or negative or human, come to its fruition? As you remember from our discourse in the Forty Third Dialog, in My Absolute State all ideas of any life are produced and maintained, including the secondary ideas which would be produced in the future by sentient entities, in this case by the pseudo-creators, specifically and particularly the ideas of humans and other creatures of the negative state.

Before those ideas are shifted from their state of being unique ideas to the process of becoming actualized and realized in their own sentient life, a condition is set up to enter an agreement to be and to exist to eternity. This agreement is executed on one important foundation or premise. The prospective sentient entity, in the form of special ideas, is shown in every possible detail in non-time, non-space and non-place condition, the entire unique and specialized content of his/her future life which is to last to eternity.

Thus, any such sentient entity knows precisely what it is that he/she will be facing and what the meaning of his/her life will be. During this illustration the sentient entity is facing his/her ultimate choice to become or not to become, to be or not to be, to exist or not to exist in his/her own individualized, personalized and unique being and existence.

Once the choice is made for being and existence, it is made with the understanding and acceptance of all conditions for such a unique life to come to its eternal fruition. In other words, the prospective sentient entity agrees to be and to exist to eternity without having any desire to recede from his/her unique life. If the original idea of that prospective sentient entity doesn’t agree with these set forth conditions, it does not proceed toward its becoming its own unique, individualized and personalized sentient life. So, in this respect, it is totally inconceivable for any sentient life to have a notion or a desire to end one’s life in an absolute sense.

However, there is another point to this issue. Because any sentient life in its unique conglomeration is possible either by a direct endowment from Me in the form of a special element taken out from My Absolute Nature and placed into a relative condition, or by derivatives of My Life Force Energies utilized for production of the pseudo-life and human life, in an absolute sense it is My Life, no matter how you look at it. By the factor of its being My Life, I am present in that life, no matter in what form, shape, state, process or condition it is. Due to this presence of Mine in everyone, such thoughts as ending one’s life in an absolute sense, cannot enter anyone’s mind. It would be as if I am making a decision to end My Absolute Life for good and forever. Can you imagine the consequences, results and outcomes if such a scenario would be possible to execute? In that case, the entire Creation with all its dimensions and multiverse and with all their respective sentient entities would also cease to be and to exist for good and forever. And because even the pseudo-life of the negative state and human life live and are alive and are possible only by My Absolute Life, they would perish eternally as well.

Because I am Absolute, and My Absolute Life is anchored in My Absolute ‘I AM,’ and because I always Am, by definition and logic of this Absoluteness, it is impossible for Me not to be and not to exist. At the same time, by the logic of this setup and condition, for any sentient entity who contains My life and who lives by it and is alive, it is impossible not to be and not to exist likewise. By the factor of this interrelatedness, it is utterly impossible for any sentient entity to have an idea, or even a desire, in his/her mind to end his/her life for good and forever. The life force in any sentient entity is such that, by its very nature, it produces on a continuous basis nothing else but an absolute desire to be and to exist for good and forever, no matter what. Simply stated, no other desire or wish or tendency may or can enter one’s mind to eternity. These are the conditions of the sentient life’s being and existence.

Still, there is another point to this issue. Your question, Peter and Joseph, derives from the position of your human life. The structure and dynamics of the typical human life are such that it may and can produce such states as boredom, misery, suffering, a sense of futility, meaninglessness, and similar adverse states and processes. If someone has this type of experience, it can produce in one’s mind a desire to end such a life. However, ending this type of life, as you know, doesn’t end the uniqueness of that life as such. Only its human portion can be ended by choice, but not the portion of true life which is contained in the human life. Don’t forget that the true life contained in human life makes human life possible at all. Because the portion of true life in human life stems from My Absolute Life, it is subject to the same conditions and setup as any other sentient life in the manner as described above.

Your problem in this respect is that you have absolutely no notion whatsoever, how life in the positive state is structured and upon what kinds of conditions it is based. Your ideas, if you have any at all, of how life in the positive state is, are totally wrong and don’t come even remotely close to the reality of that life. Because you have no reliable or true knowledge of the content and manner of life in the positive state, you have a tendency to project into it the same states, processes and conditions that are inherent in your human life. So, it is only from the position of your human life that such a question of the possibility to end one’s life can ever enter your mind. No one in the positive state has ever wanted or would want to exercise such thoughts, wishes or desires. After all, they all agreed by their own free will and choice to not have them to eternity. Otherwise, they would never come into their own unique, personalized and individualized being and existence.

The lack of any experiential or theoretical knowledge about the true structure and dynamics of the positive state’s life was purposefully established in your mind so as to not terminate your agreement to participate in human life. In essence, as it was indicated to you before in these Dialogs, it was for your own protection. If you were to know what life in the positive state is like or is all about, you would not be able to fulfill your mission on planet Zero and to do your important work for Me while staying there. It is much easier for you to endure human life if you have no such knowledge. Otherwise, your human life would become so unbearable and intolerable that you would really tend to terminate it. In that case, you would fail miserably in your mission.

Because you have no tangible or realistic comparison between your human life and any other type of life, your human life, for the time being, becomes the only reality that makes any sense to you — at least up to a certain point. That way, you are able to accept more readily whatever is happening in the process of your participation in your human life. Only since you were granted My New Revelation were all these facts made available to you and you know now what human life and the negative state are all about. However, for your own protection and for the successful completion of your mission, on your human conscious level, you still are not cognizant about the true nature, structure and dynamics of the positive state’s life. Only on your inner spiritual level, as My true representatives, are you able to discern them. However, for the time being, until your mission is completed, it does not enter your human conscious mind. The point here to realize is that the nature of the positive state is such that it provides all its inhabitants with infinitely exciting, productive, creative and innovative possibilities for their development and evolvement which give them unceasing incentives to continue to progress in their lives to eternity. Because of that they can never experience a sense of exhaustion, boredom, futility, tiredness, idleness, meaninglessness and similar emotions, for example, so obvious and pronounced in human life, which would lead them to the conclusion that their life has no meaning and no sense and therefore, should be terminated.

It was not until the negative state and human life were allowed to come into their pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, that such thoughts, feelings, wishes and desires were permitted to be exercised. There is an obvious reason why they were permitted to spring in human life in particular and in the negative state in general. Such states as these reflect the illusory and unreal conditions on which their life is based and founded. When you live in an illusion of life, when you have no experience about the nature of the true life and what that life is it all about, in this condition, it is conceivable, to produce an idea to end that type of pseudo-life. But look at it this way: What do you, in reality, desire to end? A real life? A true life? No way! It is the illusory, unreal life that you desire to end.

This desire to end the illusory life reflects the temporality of its condition. Can you imagine a scenario in which human life and the pseudo-life of the negative state were to have the same conditions and setup as the true life? No one would ever want to terminate such life. In that case, the negative state could never be eliminated because it would be chosen to be and to exist forever. Also, in that case, the fullness of life of the positive state could never come to its fruition.

Do you remember the conditions under which the negative state was allowed to come into its own pseudo-being and pseudo-existence? The conditions were to illustrate on a transient and temporary basis another type of life other than the life stemming directly from Me. This was a binding agreement among all of us. It was with this binding agreement with which those of you who volunteered to take part in that life would not remember that such an agreement was made or that you entered into it by your own free will and choice. Because of the transience and temporality of the negative state’s life and human life, the need for its termination was placed into the minds of everyone who participates in that life — also by the binding agreement and choice — so that no notion to continue in it for good and forever could ever become reality.

If you consider the logic of this setup, and if you accept the fact that the negative state and typical human life are, in actuality, an illusion of life and not life in themselves and by themselves, then what are you terminating? You are terminating only an illusion but not life in itself and by itself. Are you able to discern the logic of this situation?

Peter: Definitely. And it makes perfect sense. But what about voluntary suicide?

The Lord Jesus Christ: From the spiritual standpoint, all forms of suicide, as well as in some ways, homicide, derive from the notion of temporality of human life and the negative state’s pseudo-being and pseudo-existence. If the notion of illusion of life but not of the real life is contained in the human mind, and if there is no experiential knowledge and understanding of the real life available to humans, as well as to all other creatures in the Zone of Displacement, then such life is in the process of its continuous devaluation. In that case, life, as you know it, becomes valueless and not worth living or, in the case of homicides, can be dispensed without any remorse. After all, what are you killing? In an ultimate sense, nothing. You are killing only an empty notion, a meaningless illusion. This is the way humans rationalize in their unconscious, and very often even on the conscious level, their homicidal and suicidal tendencies. These tendencies are nothing more than a reflection of the true nature of the negative state and its end product — human life. If they were not to serve some important learning, as depicted in the needs of everyone to know the differences among various forms of lives and pseudo-lives, such pseudo-lives would be really valueless and meaningless. As mentioned many times throughout My New Revelation, they clearly show to anyone what not to choose, how not to be, how not to think, how not to feel, how not to behave and how not to live life. Only in this depiction is their true value.

Talking about suicide, in the human culture, with some meager exceptions, suicide has always been considered as something negative, inappropriate or even evil. The judgmental attitude toward suicide has always been somewhat harsh. From the spiritual standpoint, as in everything else, the motivational and intentional factors with which suicide is committed determine whether such an act for terminating one’s life, no matter what type of life it is, is condemnable or not. If suicide is committed as a means to get back at someone, to punish them or to make them feel guilty, or for similar selfish and negative reasons, by that act the person committing suicide condemns himself/herself to one of the Hells in order to bear the consequences of such inappropriate, selfish, negative and/or evil intentions and motivation. Other types of suicides, similarly, as with the physician-assisted suicides, are either neutral or they illustrate something important about the nature of human life and the negative state. In that case, one is given an option to enter a special division of the New School that specializes in these types of affairs.

Of course, the ending of one’s human life by the means of suicide, no matter what motivational and intentional factors underlie such an act, is always by an agreement. In some cases it is permitted to happen in order to illustrate and demonstrate the consequences of such factors and how not to end one’s life. Because of the individualized and personalized issues, as with everything else which underlies such acts, it is obvious that it is between Me and each individual who commits such an act. Therefore, it would be inappropriate for you to judge anyone in this respect or to try to say more about it at this particular time.

Peter: But what about organ transplants?

The Lord Jesus Christ: In some ways, this issue is the same as discussed above. In fact, it is the other side of the same coin. If you take into consideration that human life is the only life which is available to you, and if you have no notion about any other type of life or how it is structured and lived, or if it exists at all, paradoxically speaking, you would have both tendencies in your mind — termination, as well as extension of your life for as long as possible. On one side, you have this sense of futility and unrealness of your human life, while at the same time your human body clings to this life because it knows that it is the only life it has. So, it yearns to extend it for as long as possible.

However, there is another paradox here, as well as an important spiritual lesson. As you know, each bodily organ’s function, as well as the body’s function in its entirety, has some crucial spiritual correspondence either of the positive or negative or both natures, respectively. The cessation of some bodily organ’s function reflects the fact that the function which any particular organ has served, for some important spiritual reasons, exhausted its usefulness and served its purpose and it needs to be either replaced or terminated. In the case of replacement, something different or new needs to be acquired and implemented in the life of the person in question. By a prior agreement with another person who suddenly dies or who chooses to donate one of its duplicated organs, the transplant of his/her organ or organs is appropriate and feasible. The function of that organ which is coming from the dead person or from the person who donated his/her organ, needs to continue in a different environment or condition. Otherwise, it would be a waste of the precious function provided by that organ.

However, here comes the paradox: The human body wants to survive by any means available to it, but at the very same time, it vigorously and tenaciously tends to reject any organ which is not of its making, no matter how much the organ in question would help that body to continue in its life. Why is it so? As you know, each individual’s spirit and soul is uniquely and infinitely different. This uniqueness and difference stem from My unique element from which they were created. Because of that, they are for themselves and by themselves in the conglomeration of all their specific and unique faculties which are non-duplicable. Due to this factor, the spirit and its soul choose a very specific and unique body congruent to their specific and unique nature. Any admission of anything foreign which did not derive from the conglomeration of all elements of which they consist, is considered to be a gross violation of this specific unique individuality and personality. In other words, your body and its organs are a closed system.

Once again, from the spiritual standpoint, this is the issue of personalization and individualization of one’s being and existence. The human body reflects this important spiritual factor. Therefore, despite the fact that any such organ could save its bodily life, it cannot take in something that is not of the original genetic material from which it was originated by its spirit’s and soul’s design. For that reason, you have to feed that body with all kinds of special medications that would considerably lower its tendency to reject the organ in question. And this is true even with some very familiar organs which have somewhat similar genetic structure. Although it is similar, it is still not the same.

Another issue with the failure of some bodily organs to perform their functions, and connected with them the need for transplants, relates to a very specific spiritual correspondence that each organ has. As mentioned above, such correspondence may have both positive and negative connotations. The way you have to understand this statement is that if any particular person who is responsible for his/her life in all its aspects — spiritual, mental and physical — neglects or doesn’t take proper care of it, or does everything which impedes and defies underlying spiritual factors responsible for these functions, the organs in question will begin to malfunction. By such an attitude the person in question destroys the positive spiritual correspondence of an organ’s function and opens the doors for the negative one to set in. In that case, at one point in time, unless there is an amendment in that person’s attitude, at some point in time the organ in question stops functioning entirely. Hence, the need for a transplant.

In this particular connotation, the organ transplant has a negative meaning. On the spiritual level it signifies replacement of the genuine and original function with an artificial one which comes from without. Because the within factors were neglected — and this is a purely spiritual issue — any organ which is within the human body has a tendency to atrophy or get diseased. In this sense, the organ transplant is an illustration of the replacement of the within factors with the without factors. However, because no true life is possible to sustain by the without factors, whenever you place an organ into that body from without, or in this case, from someone else who is outside of you, the body will have a tendency to reject it. For that reason, you have to deceive that body by feeding it with all kinds of external medications which would take away or, at least, considerably weaken the body’s ability to reject anything that comes from its own without.

The spiritual implication of these facts is very clear. Unless you follow the proper spiritual procedures — from within to without — you end up destroying the shell that serves for your spirit’s and soul’s manifestation. And not only that but, most importantly, by your inappropriate spiritual life, you undermine the proper spiritual perception of any reality. In that case, the true reality is replaced with an artificial one in the same manner as a genuine bodily organ that is within your own body, and is replaced with something that doesn’t belong there and which came from the outside. This is the spiritual correspondence of the physical organ transplant.

From this explanation you can deduce very clearly that any physical illness, no matter what kind it is, has spiritual roots.

I see in your mind, Peter, a question whether there is any positive connotation to the physical organ transplant and/or any physical illness.

Peter: Yes, You are right. I am curious about it.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Because any malfunction of anything, regardless of whether they are spiritual, mental, physical or organic, caused by negative pseudo-spiritual correspondences, it is obvious that their connotation can be only negative. However, the positive aspect of any such malfunctions is not in malfunctions themselves but in the illustration of the coping abilities of individuals and in finding a cure for them, or in how to eliminate them. In essence, these abilities demonstrate that, no matter what, the negative state cannot win in an absolute sense because regardless of what it comes up with for the purpose of undermining the true spiritual factors of any life, effective countermeasures can be found to nullify its efforts in this respect. Yes, from time to time, it can win this or that battle, but not the war.

In your particular case, as My true representatives, your ability to cope with or to overcome any such adverse medical conditions, inherent in your physical makeup, is setting up an important precedent for the negative state and humans. By not yielding to temptations of the negative state, to give up, and by accepting the fact of the inevitability to have, from time to time, such malfunctions, it illustrates to everyone that no matter how much the negative state tries to destroy you by all those adverse external physical conditions, it cannot succeed. You will continue in your work even better than ever before. And this would be true even if anyone of you were in need of having an organ transplant.

In this illustration, demonstration and setting up an example is the positive connotation of any such adverse conditions.

There are some other issues related to this question but it is premature to reveal them. For that reason, we’ll end our dialog right here for today. Have a wonderful time, Peter. I would recommend that you prepare yourself for your trip to New York so that you may spend some time with My people there.

Peter: Thank You very much for Your answers.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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