To read aloud
FIFTY SEVENTH DIALOGUE
March 20, 1999
Peter: Before asking any questions, I would like to ask You if You have
anything to add or to comment about anything You wish?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking Me to do so. Yes,
I do have something to add to the topic of our discussion yesterday as
recorded in the Fifty Sixth Dialog. One issue relates to My 12 disciples.
As you noticed yesterday, we designated some aspects of the spiritual
correspondences of the nine disciples, leaving out the last three. One of
the reasons why almost no information exists about the last several
disciples, especially the last three, is because their corresponding
significance related to something that was inconceivable at that time. As
mentioned before, the Creation and pseudo-creation were in total
isolation, separation and a closed-in condition without any direct contact
between them. As you also know, the indirect contact was maintained by
means of correspondences and symbolical representations. The ideas of
their unity, oneness and integration were ingrained in this type of
indirect contact without having their direct experience. And yet, with the
future outcome of everything related to My Grand Plan of this
unification, integration and oneness, it was extremely vital to maintain
such ideas in sentient minds. Without having such ideas, no tendency
would exist, not only toward striving to ever accomplish the goal of this
unification, integration and oneness, but no need would exist to
eliminate the negative state or to activate the fullness and completeness
of the life of the positive state. Such ideas were maintained by means of
the mentioned correspondences and symbolical representations.
The last three disciples were correspondences and representations of
these factors of unification, integration and oneness. First of all, they
represented these factors as related to the sentient mind. As you know,
the sentient mind was divided into three aspects — inner-spiritual,
interior and external. In the human sentient mind on these positive
aspects were superimposed the pseudo-spiritual, pseudo-interior and
pseudo-external mind. The structure of the sentient mind reflected the
structure of Creation and pseudo-creation. Or, to be more precise, the
structure of Creation and pseudo-creation reflected the structure of the
sentient mind. Because of the closure, isolation and separation of these
aspects of the sentient mind, the structure of Creation and pseudo-
creation had exactly the same design.
So, in this sense, the last three disciples represented these ideas as
related not only to the unification, integration and oneness of the
sentient mind but to all dimensions of My Creation and pseudo-creation
likewise. At the same time, in their totality, all twelve disciples
represented and corresponded to the idea of elimination of the negative
state and of the gruesome complexity of the human sentient mind which
was locked out and closed off from direct access by the superimposed
pseudo-sentient mind. Again, such an idea needed to be ingrained not
only in sentient minds elsewhere, but especially and particularly, into
the human sentient mind. Without it, no human could be saved. In some
mysterious way, you may conceive the process of saving humans by
means of removing of their pseudo-sentient mind from the structural
design of their original mind. As you know, this pseudo-mind was
genetically fabricated for them through the means of special types of
spiritual correspondences.
On the other hand, as was mentioned several times before, any process of
elimination of the negative state and of the pseudo-sentient portion of
the human mind, can begin and be accomplished only from the position
of the mentioned unification, integration and oneness. The reason for
this need was explained in the previous Dialogs. My 12 disciples reflected
this necessity. In this respect, number 12 corresponds to these factors. As
you see from this explanation, whatever I did during My life on planet
Zero, I did it with only one thing and purpose in My mind — salvation
and preservation of all sentient minds, as well as humans, and setting up
a condition for unification, integration, and oneness of all, for the
purpose of a total and complete elimination of the negative state and of
all the negative aspects of human life, rooted in the existence of its
pseudo-sentient mind.
The other issue that needs further elaboration relates to the role that
Judas Iscariot played. Everyone in the Christian World considers him a
most terrible and contemptible person, deserving to be condemned to
burn in the fires of hell to eternity. This is how he is depicted by all
religiously minded humans. They concentrate only on that part in the
Gospels, related to his story, which talks about his betrayal, sell-out and
suicide. No one has taken into consideration that he repented, was
remorseful and returned the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and
elders who paid him, by throwing them in the midst of the temple and
afterwards, hanging himself. And yet, all these events have deeper
spiritual meanings and correspondences.
First of all, don’t forget that someone had to agree to play the role of the
one who would betray Me. After all, I and Judas agreed that this
situation would be played out for some very important spiritual reasons.
Judas not only agreed to betray Me but also to bear all consequences,
results and outcomes of such a betrayal. This was done with the
understanding that once this process was completed, he would be
redeemed from being a cursed and condemned man.
If he had been the way he is portrayed in all churches and religious sects,
he would never be able to feel remorse for what he did. Anyone who is of
a negative nature or who was originally fabricated in the Hells for such a
purpose, is fabricated with the total inability to feel any remorse. In your
human life, such a condition and tendency — the inability to feel remorse
— is manifested in the life of antisocial or psychopathic personalities.
They commit their atrocious and abominable deeds without feeling any
remorse or guilt. As long as such a person is in the negative state and is
devoted to it, and lives by its rules, such a person is unable to feel or to
express remorse and/or guilt. In order to have such an experience, one
would have to be withdrawn from the negative state and be spiritually,
mentally and genetically rewired and totally changed or reborn. This was
not the case with Judas. By expressing his remorse to the very extreme
— committing suicide, he clearly demonstrated that he was not of a
purely negative and evil nature.
Let us look at some of the spiritual correspondences of Judas’
representation and behavior. As you know, he was carrying a special
type of box into which willing individuals put some money. Thus, Judas
was in charge of our material and physical needs — buying food, clothing
and all other necessities for our human bodies. This position depicts the
most external requirements for taking care of the most external factors of
the totality of one’s spirit, soul and body. Because these are the most
external and outward factors of anyone’s life, without proper
consideration of their internal and intermediate counterparts,
occasionally they have a tendency to disregard the spiritual and mental
factors of life.
The moment such factors are neglected or disregarded, the negative
state, rooted in this neglect and disregard, takes over, and by that fact
sets up anyone who is in such a state for betraying the positive state or,
in this case, into betraying the proper spiritual principles that underlie
the possibility of any life. As you know, money is the life-blood of the
negative state, or its false spirituality. If you place all your hopes and
efforts into money, making it the ultimate goal of your life, you lose any
sense of what the true life is all about. In that case, you will become
negative and your life will be ruled by evils and falsities.
So, Judas was in charge of money, representing and illustrating the
factor of the outcome of a preoccupation with such non-spiritual things,
without any regard for their spiritual roots. The chief priests and elders
in this connotation represent the entirety of the negative state, which
seeks any possible and impossible means to destroy the positive state,
represented here by Me.
Once you have money, and that money becomes the ruling factor of your
life, you will establish a condition of dependency and addiction to money,
which leads you into a state of craving to have more and more money.
The moment you become a slave of your own cravings, you will do
anything to satisfy them, even to the point of betraying or selling out
your own mother and father, so-to-speak. In this case, betraying Me. This
factor is nicely illustrated by the addicts of alcohol, drugs and other types
of substances, who are able to commit any crime to satisfy their cravings.
In this respect, you can consider that Judas was the very first one who
agreed to illustrate and demonstrate this fact and to set up an example
of all consequences, outcomes and results of such conditions and states.
However, in Judas’ case the situation was much deeper than just
illustration of the results of addiction to money. First of all, it is an
illustration of the results of a separation from the spiritual, inner,
internal and inward factors of life and turning to the external, outward
and outside factors. Secondly, it is an illustration of separation of one
portion of the energies of the positive state from its totality, and utilizing
it for fabrication of a different style of life than that which underlies the
positive state. Thirdly, it is a demonstration of the outcome of turning
away from Me personally, and giving preference to the pseudo-gods
represented here by money. As you know, money is a pseudo-god of the
negative state and its human life. In your life on planet Zero, everything
is ruled by money. You cannot take one step without having money to
survive in your human life. So, in an ultimate sense, this is an
illustration and demonstration of what happens if the meaning of life is
placed into something that has no meaning, in this case into money.
Judas’ case represents the most extreme outcome of such a setup, rooted
in the nature of the negative state.
That Judas realized his horrible mistake and experienced remorse
signifies that everyone in the pseudo-life of the negative state will
eventually recognize the terrible mistake that they made in activating
and putting the negative state into dominance. Following this
realization, that portion of energy which they separated from the totality
of all positive energies, represented here by 30 pieces of silver, will be
returned to those who originally initiated such an activation, in this case,
to the pseudo-creators. That it was returned in the midst of the temple
signifies the midst of the negative state to which the pseudo-creators
returned after their lockup. That they could not take back the money in
question signifies their inability to utilize the energy of the positive state
any longer for further expansion of their pseudo-creative efforts. But it
also signifies their ultimate realization that the answer to their
existential question cannot be found in any external, outside, non-
spiritual, materialistic and scientific factors, represented here by that
money. For that reason, not only will they reject accepting it back as
something that could still have any meaning for them but, symbolically
speaking, they use it for buying a portion of land for the burial of poor
people. This signifies that they bury for good and forever all
manifestations of the negative state and the negative state itself. Poor
people represent all these manifestations. In fact, in the currently
discussed connotation, poor people illustrate and demonstrate that the
negative state, in the true reality of its nature, doesn’t have anything at
all and is totally meaningless and valueless. Therefore, the only thing
you can do with the negative state is to bury it forever.
In a more literal connotation of the described events as related to Judas,
it is also an illustration and demonstration of how the negative state at
that time valued the positive state and the spiritual principles of life
which emanated from My Absolute Nature. In this sense, it is an
illustration of how the negative state personally valued Me at that time.
In their view I was a cheap fellow whose price tag didn’t deserve to be
greater than 30 pieces of silver. 30 pieces was the lowest price for which
you could buy something that had only very little value. In this case, it
was a piece of property that was good for nothing or it was good only for
something as despicable as burying poor people. So, as you see from this
explanation, the story of Judas of Iscariot has multiple meanings. Up to
this point, no one has known the true background of this story. All of you
have looked at what was happening at the scene without seeing or
understanding anything that was going on behind the scene.
Peter: Well, I see this clearly. This is a surprising revelation to me.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, it is. However, as you know, the
problem with the readers of the Christian Bible, or Islam’s Koran or any
other so-called holy books, is in the fact that they take everything that is
contained in them only literally. Taking it literally means seeing things
at the scene and not behind it. And yet, it was revealed to all of you in
My New Revelation the scene and not behind it. And yet, it was revealed
to all of you in My New Revelation that nothing in them whatsoever
should be taken literally. Living in the physical, external world where
everything is manifested literally, it is not easy for you to bypass the
literal meaning and discover the purely spiritual meaning which is
behind the scene. Your lifestyle and the structure of your human mind
were purposefully designed in such a manner so as to be able to see and
discern things only in their literal and outward connotation. It takes a lot
of time and tremendous effort to train yourself to see behind the scenes
and to consider the spiritual factors of all such events.
But look at the tremendous danger that you are currently facing as a
result of this situation. As you surmise, Peter, the majority of humans
belonging to the various religions, take literally, and not spiritually
everything written in their so-called holy books. Take for example, the
literal predictions of the Christian Bible, of the Jewish Talmud, of the
Muslim Koran, and of the holy books of Buddhists, Hindus and any
others. They all are full of various prophetic predictions of doomsday,
Armageddon, the ending of the known physical universe, My Second
Coming for Christians, the coming of the Messiah for Jews, the coming of
Imam Mahdy for Muslims, the coming of Krishna for Hindus and the
unified coming of them all in one person under the name of Lord
Maitreya.
For almost two thousand years, all who have belonged to these various
religions have been waiting and waiting and waiting in total futility for
all these events and comings to come true. Yet, as of this date, none of
them have materialized. At the end of every century, every decade or
during any unusual events, they have expected that by now all those
predictions would have come true and that the time was near. The state
of this futile and hopeless waiting leads many people to the opposite
extreme — to the denial of anything of that nature from ever happening
and also, to the denial that any other type of life but the physical/bodily
human life exists at all and that after one dies it means the end of that
life for the dead one.
However, recently, a much more dangerous situation occurred. Some
Christian, Jewish, Muslim and other fanatics, in their insane zeal to
prove the verity of the literal sense of the mentioned predictions in the
so-called holy books, have been trying to accelerate the fulfillment of
those predictions in their literal sense by wanting to stage all kinds of
turmoil, wars, terrorist activities and similar events which would prove
the rightness of their expectations. Because all of them are tired of
waiting for those predictions to come true on their own accord, they are
trying to do something about them.
Thus, for example, Christian fanatics have been trying to stage all kinds
of incitements in Israel to force My Second Coming to take place. What a
foolish but extremely dangerous notion! The Jewish fanatics would like
to build their third temple (the first temple was built by Solomon. It was
destroyed by the armies of Babylon. The second temple was built after
their return from the captivity in Babylon. That temple was destroyed by
the Roman armies) because, according to their predictions, only after the
third temple is built, will the Messiah come. The only problem with this
situation is that the third temple has to be built in the same place where
the first and the second stood. Unfortunately for the Jews, on that place
the most holy mosque of Muslim stands.
So, what do you do with this situation? A plan exists to forcefully destroy
the mosque and build the third temple. Can you imagine the
consequences of such an effort? An all-out war could erupt from all these
foolish tendencies which could destroy humanity as you know it.
I can assure you that at the present time, many similar plans exist
among the mentioned fanatics to make a forceful literal actualization
and realization of all those predictions in their literal sense. I can also
assure you that these are the works of renegades, who are trying to
capitalize on those predictions, strongly reinforcing the human belief
systems and their tendencies to take everything literally and not
spiritually.
All these things are permitted to happen in order to illustrate all
consequences of the improper and spiritually dangerous tendency to take
everything contained in such holy books literally and not spiritually.
If it were not for My Divine Providence and its hidden works, such
fanatical zealots would have succeeded in destroying your world a long
time ago. However, the presently existing situation on your planet is the
reflection of the presently existing situation elsewhere in other
dimensions of the Zone of Displacement and all its Hells, as well as in
the negative state in general. It is also the result of the civil war that
rages between the pseudo-creators and the renegades. Because of that,
the situation with the fanatical zealots became more dangerous than
ever before. Don’t be surprised if you hear or experience more and more
of such dangerous attempts by the mentioned fanatical zealots. You can
consider them to be an extended arm of the renegades.
Due to these facts, you, as My true representatives, are asked by Me
directly to dispense with any notion of considering the literal sense of the
Bible or any such so-called holy books. If you were to continue to cling to
the literal sense, you would be supporting the cause of the negative state.
And although the followers of Swedenborg’s teachings accept the fact of
the spiritual correspondences on which the inspired books of the Bible
are written, they still require drawing the doctrines of their church from
its literal sense. It is no longer appropriate to do so. You were informed
by the means of My New Revelation — in the Big Book, that the literal
sense of the Bible was replaced with the literal sense of My New
Revelation. Only the internal spiritual sense of those books in the Bible
have continuous validity, if seen from a proper spiritual perspective.
As you know, the problem with the inner spiritual sense of those books in
the Bible is that they were designated to influence the Spiritual Minds
but not the interior and external minds. Because of that they provided
the needed connection to the true spiritual reality of My Creation, only to
everyone’s Spiritual Mind, bypassing the interior and external minds. At
that time this situation reflected the then existing condition of the total
separation, isolation and locked-in system that ruled the life of all
dimensions. As mentioned in one of the previous Dialogs, this setup was
first necessary to establish in order to give an opportunity for the rise of
a lifestyle different from that of the positive state.
However, the presently existing situation requires a different approach.
At this crucial time, when we all are standing at the crossroads of a
choice-making and decision-making process, it is absolutely necessary to
include in it everyone’s interior and external minds likewise. Remember
please, the positive state also needed to be brought and positioned into
the midst of the externals, that is to say, into the midst of human life and
the negative state in general. The externals are their life.
To repeat again, you cannot do anything about the negative state and
human life from the position of being outside of them. Only from within
them can you accomplish anything at all. And because their life is rooted
in the externals, by the logical requirement of this setup, you have to
position yourself in those externals.
Those of you who read and accept the three sources of My New
Revelation, that is to say, those of you who are My true representatives
on planet Zero, are becoming the embodiment of this important
requirement. You will be My extended arm in the very externals of the
human life through whom I will generate all necessary components, for
the purpose of the accomplishment of our ultimate goal — the
elimination of the negative state and its typical negative aspects of its
human life and for the activation of the fullness and completeness of life
of the positive state.
For that reason I am giving you a proper understanding of all these
factors, especially as related to the predictions of the so-called holy books,
so that you don’t fall into the trap of the majority of humans’ belief
system. And at the same time so that with this proper understanding,
you prepare humanity to accept the truth of these facts when the time
comes. By your life and acceptance of these facts, you are preparing them
for that time.
Some of the readers of these Dialogs indicated to you, Peter, that they
still read the Bible, finding some contradictions in it between what we
have been talking and writing about and what is written in the Bible.
They have forgotten what was said about such reading in one of the
previous Dialogs. It was clearly indicated there why the reading of the
Bible, and having a tendency to accept or to concentrate on its literal
meaning, can endanger your spiritual life. You have to learn to dispense
with such a tendency and to set up an example for others of how not to
take literally anything contained in the Bible or any other so-called holy
books.
Many human tragedies, throughout their entire history, were generated
by such clinging to the literal sense of the Bible and of all the other so-
called holy books. The literal sense is subject to numerous different
irreconcilable and contradictory interpretations. Because of that, they
are the source of major conflicts in human history. You don’t want to
support that tendency by your own habit of considering or accepting the
literal sense of such books on face value.
You are on this planet to establish a lifestyle which is not founded on
such interpretations and understandings. This is the reason why you are
given all this important information, as contained in these Dialogs
specifically, and in the two other sources of My New Revelation in
general. On your planet, very few individuals are privileged to have this
information and understanding. Of course, some of them, if privileged to
have access to them, would reject it for their own reasons. This has
already been the case and will be the case in many instances.
In order to accomplish your goal and the purpose for which you are being
designated as My true representatives, you are humbly asked by Me to
not waste your time on reading or studying anything else not related to
your professional needs and standing which is contradictory to the
content of My New Revelation. It would be very beneficial if you were to
spend most of your free time reading and studying My New Revelation.
That way, not only would you be spared from being contaminated with
the content of such readings, but most importantly, you would succeed in
establishing a lifestyle congruent to My True Nature and to the nature of
My positive state. And this is for what you are needed the most.
Peter: Thank You very much for this timely reminder. Is there anything
else today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: No, Peter, this is all. Have a wonderful day.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
