To read aloud
SIXTY SECOND DIALOGUE
April 4, 1999
Peter: Well, today we traditionally celebrate Your resurrection. Some
interesting questions were asked by Michael M. of Massachusetts that
have a direct relevance to this event, as recorded for example, in the
Gospel According to John. Other questions of his relate to some of Your
miraculous works during Your stay on planet Zero. Perhaps, before his
formulated questions, You may have something to contribute about the
fact of Your resurrection.
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are right, Peter, and I thank you for this
opportunity to briefly elaborate on that event. If you look carefully on My
involvement with My Creation and with the pseudo-life of the negative
state and human life within this cycle of time, you will notice that,
during the current cycle of time, three most important and most
significant events had taken place. Those events completely and totally
altered the course of history of My Creation, as well as of the pseudo-
creation. Because of them, nothing has been the same as it had been
before. The first event was My incarnation throughout My Creation. It
culminated in incarnation on planet Zero into the end product of the
negative state — the human life, and, by its means, throughout the Zone
of Displacement and all its Hells. This particular event allowed Me to
experience life as all sentient entities did in their relative condition. It
also allowed Me to experience life as did humans and all creatures and
sub-creatures of the negative state. The need for this experience was
explained in one of the previous Dialogs. At the same time, this
particular event prepared a very important condition for everyone in
being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence to experience
My True Nature from their own personal and individualized level. Also,
to give to all an opportunity to establish and to have a very personal and
intimate relationship with Me.
The second most important event was My experience of something that
has never been established anywhere and anywhen, but which was
invented and instituted by the process of activation of the negative state
and made a condition of life in the end product of its pseudo-creative
effort — human life. It is known to you as the process of dying and death.
Because of the assumption by Me of the typical human life, I had to also
assume something which is inherent in the human life — dying and
death. This process is a very peculiar phenomenon. As you know, it
doesn’t exist anywhere in My Creation. The process of dying and death is
a reflection, illustration and demonstration of the true nature of the
negative state and its human life. It reflects transience, temporality and
decay of everything inherent in the nature of the negative state and
human life. Because dying and death are so typical of human life, in
order to have the fullness and completeness of its experience, it was
necessary for Me to submit Myself to that experience to its fullest extent.
However, dying and death, because it is an invention of the negative
state, serves also as the only possible gate for entrance into other levels
of the negative state. You have to clearly understand here that the only
way to enter the negative state from the position of human life, is by the
process of death and dying. Any other way, or if I would want to enter it
by any other means but human’s, would end in the total annihilation of
everyone situated in the negative state. Only the most external position,
so inherent in the nature of human life, could and did provide such
means for My Absolute Divine Condition, during that time by the
relative condition, which clothed and shielded anyone in the Hells from
being harmed or destroyed. Because human life is the most ultimate
expression of this most external condition, it was human life that made it
possible for Me to accomplish My mission in the Hells. No other means
were available at that time or at any other time.
Another important point to realize here is that the nature of dying and
death, inherent in human life, established a sense, in everyone who is
experiencing it, of finality, ending, irreversibility and loss of life. And
because human life is embedded in the physical experience of all its
sensations, it gives one a false impression that dying and death is a true
reality at all levels of one’s being and existence without any hope of
continuing in that type of life — on the physical level. This situation
leads to the assumption that no other life but the physical one is possible
or feasible. One of My important reasons for incarnation into the specific
human life was to refute this false belief and this illusion which humans
were prone to have. Therefore, I demonstrated the falsity of this view by
conquering death through the process of resurrection of My physical
body. This particular event proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that, in
the true reality of life, in life which stems from My Absolute Life, no such
thing as dying and death exists. If you consider the logical construct of
the assumption of the existence of the Absolute Life, the word ‘Absolute,’
and what it contains and signifies, precludes any possibility of any type
of terminal state — such as, for example, dying and death. For if such
things were possible in an absolute sense, meaning if a terminal and all-
ending death were to exist, then no absolute state would be conceivable
or possible either. They are mutually exclusive.
One of the important reasons why it was necessary for Me to resurrect in
the human physical body, was because the human physical body denotes
and exemplifies the most external factors of the negative state. By the
process of My physical resurrection, in My human physical body, I
established in human life and in the negative state in general, a
condition which made and will make it possible to eliminate, when the
time comes, from their life the concept, as well as the process, of dying
and death. Only someone who is Absolute, and who submits
Himself/Herself to this experience, may and can establish such a crucial
condition. Thus, by the process of My physical resurrection, I set up a
most important condition in human life and the negative state by which
dying and death will be eternally abolished.
Of course, this was not the only reason for My resurrection. As you know,
it also relates to the most important factor of the acquirement of My New
Nature. This factor was extensively described in Chapter Two of The
New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ.
And this brings us to the third most important event which happened
during this cycle of time. Following My resurrection, the process of the
eternal change of My Nature had begun. As you know, it was not
completed until Christmas time of 1987. It also culminated in the
beginning of the transmission of the final portion of My New Revelation,
as reflected in its three sources, and which transmission was preceded by
the nine previous books, written by you, Peter, and inspired by Me. The
significance of My New Nature has been elaborated upon many times in
My New Revelation. It is not necessary to repeat it here.
One more comment I would like to make before proceeding to the
answers of Michael’s significant questions. As you know, the time of My
physical resurrection is considered to be springtime. This is not by a
coincidence. Spring signifies the beginning of a new life and
establishment of everything fresh and new. In My case, it was heralding
the beginning of the process of the eternal absolute change of My Nature
and establishment of My New Nature. As Christmastime was placed
during the darkest and most deadly time of the year in the Northern
hemisphere, My victory over dying and death, that is to say, over the
entirety of the negative state and human life, was placed at the time of
spring in order to illustrate an important spiritual correspondence of
those times.
And now, Peter, you may ask Michael’s questions.
Peter: Thank You very much for this enlightenment. I will divide
Michael’s questions into three parts. The first and the third parts should
be answered as the last because they either don’t have relevance to Your
resurrection or they relate to something that happened a few days after
Your resurrection. However, the second part has a direct relevance to it
and, for that reason, I will begin with that part. It relates to Chapter 20
in John. John 20:1 begins with the statement ‘On the first day of the
week.’ Is there any significance why it was on the first day of the week?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Of course, Peter. Anything at all recorded in
the Gospels has a very important spiritual significance. It was on the
first day of the week that My resurrection took place. It was on the same
day, early in the morning, while it was still dark, when My friend Mary
Magdalene came to the tomb where My physical body was buried. ‘The
first day of the week’ signifies a new beginning in the currently ongoing
cycle of time. ‘The first day’ means at the inception of that new very
beginning and ‘of the week’ signifies that it will be happening within the
current cycle of time. Something most significant was about to happen
which would change entirely the total history of My Creation and the
pseudo-creation. That it was Mary Magdalene who first came to My tomb
signifies that mercy, compassion and empathy will be placed into the
foreground of the process of My Salvation which was made possible by
the factor of My physical resurrection and by My conquering the negative
state and human life. Mary Magdalene, in this particular connotation,
represents these Divine Characteristics. That it was still dark when she
came to My tomb signifies that the awareness of the importance of why I
had and needed to experience the process of dying and death still had not
registered in the minds of anyone, both in the positive state as well as in
the negative state, respectively. That Peter and John were the second
who came to My tomb, after Mary Magdalene informed them about not
finding My body in the tomb, signifies that all other attributes of My
Divine Nature, represented here by Peter and John, will be undergoing
fundamental changes based on and stemming from My Absolute Mercy,
Compassion and Empathy. They will be rooted in My Absolute Divine
Goodness and Love (John) in conjunction with My Absolute Divine
Wisdom and Truth (Peter). Peter’s and John’s running together signifies
the spiritual marriage of Divine Love and Good and Divine Wisdom and
Truth which ushers help to all those who need to be saved from the
clutches of the negative state. That John ultimately outran Peter and
came to the tomb first signifies that Divine Love and Goodness has to
lead during the process of My Salvation of all, because only from the
position of pure unconditional love can anything of this monumental
nature be initiated. Once it is initiated, the purity of the unconditional
wisdom follows in order to establish the most effective means for the
accomplishment of this ultimate goal.
That John, after stooping down and looking into the tomb, saw the linen
cloths lying there, yet he did not go in, signifies that Divine Love and
Goodness recognize that the truth of that event doesn’t stem or originate
in the externals or in the negative state in general, represented here by
the tomb (the negative state) and the linen cloths lying there (the
externals). Stooping down, in this particular connotation, means
recognition and acceptance of the need for My Divine to be in the
externals and to incorporate them into My Nature. Not going in means
adherence to the fact that this need stems not from the externals
themselves but from My Divine Internals. That Simon Peter came
afterwards, following John, and went into the tomb, signifies that by the
means of My Divine Wisdom and Truth, I was able to enter the negative
state and human life and to incorporate their lives into Me, after
purifying them from the accursed position of being only in the externals.
But it also signifies that it is My Divine Wisdom and Truth that prepare
the way to establish the favorable condition for My Divine Love and
Goodness to also position themselves in the externals, in the negative
state and human life, signified here by John’s following Peter into the
tomb and seeing all the articles of clothing folded nicely and orderly and
lying in the tomb. Folded nicely and orderly also signifies that I
established a firm order and new laws by which the life of the negative
state and human life were to follow from that point on. It also signifies
placing everything in order in all the Hells so that a condition is
established there for elimination of the negative state when the time
comes.
John 20:17: ‘Jesus said to her (to Mary Magdalene): “Do not cling to Me,
for I have not yet ascended to My father; but go to My brethren and say to
them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your father, and to My God and
your God.’”’ The content of this particular verse relates solely to the
process of the unification of everything that I acquired during My
incarnation on planet Zero and My stay in the Hells with My Divine
Essence and Divine Substance, from which I descended to the human
level, and which is designated here as ‘My Father’ (Divine Essence) and
‘My God’ (Divine Substance). At the time of My conversation with Mary
Magdalene, I was still in the state of separation from them. That I asked
her not to touch Me or cling to Me signifies that in the state of
separation, acknowledging My current condition by clinging to it, would
mean to place that separation in a permanent mode. This was a
prophetic warning to all My subsequent followers not to separate My
current state from its Divine Essence and Divine Substance and not to
consider Me as someone different from them, or, in this case, from My
Father and My God. That I also added ‘your Father and your God’
signifies that everyone else’s life, in its positive connotation, derives from
that Essence (Father) and that Substance (God). That I called them
‘brethren’ signifies My acknowledgment that they are all relative to My
Absolute State and that I equalized Myself with their condition by
experiencing their life from their position.
Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation. The third part of the
question relates to John himself and the reason that he never named
himself as being John but instead, he talked about himself in the third
person (John 20:3-10; and John 21:20) and only in designating himself as
someone You loved and who had leaned on Your breast at the supper.
The Lord Jesus Christ: This situation reflects the true nature of
Humbleness and Innocence, which are attributes of love and goodness
and of femininity. Anyone representing such attributes is deeply loved by
Me and symbolically speaking, they are at My breast. You see, such
attributes derive from My very heart, that is to say from My very
Essence. They are the source of life. Because I love life, any life, in an
Absolute sense, I also carry that life on My breast or in My heart from
which I emanate it to everyone else. Love and Goodness never advertise
themselves to anyone. They simply are! For that reason John never
indicated that he is the one who is in that role and representation. In
order to illustrate that in Me no difference exists between My Absolute
Masculinity and My Absolute Femininity and that in Me they are truly
equal and one and the same, John was chosen to represent My feminine
aspects from that side of his nature which contained the feminine
principles in him. Thus, as you see from those verses, John talked about
himself only as being My disciple whom I loved. This designation also
pointed out the fact that no one in himself/herself and by himself/herself
can or may be the source of one’s own love and goodness. Only in
acknowledging that any love and goodness come and stem from Me, that
is to say, in being My disciple, can one truly love and be good. And this is
all that you are ready to know about the discussed issue.
Peter: Again, thank You very much for this interesting explanation. The
first part of Michael’s question relates to the feeding of the five thousand
men with the five loaves of bread and two fish in one case, and the four
thousand men, besides women and children, with seven loaves and a few
little fish in another case. These two events are recorded in Matthew
14:15-21 and Matthew 15:32-38; and reiterated in Matthew 16:8-11. Also
in John 6:5-13. John specifies that those were barley loaves. Is there any
significance in these specific events?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Deep spiritual mysteries, as well as spiritual
correspondences, are contained in the quoted events. Some of them can
be revealed at this time. Others are premature to be known by you. Let
us address those that can be revealed and understood. As you see, two
events of a similar nature are being described. In both cases, feeding of
the multitude was taking place but with a different number of those
involved in its process. These two cases have a totally different spiritual
significance. One is taking place from the position of My Divine Love, the
other is taking place from the position of My Divine Wisdom. However,
both are taking place in human life, in the most externals and in the
negative state in general.
The general meaning of those events is that I extend My Love, the life-
giver, and My Wisdom, the light-giver, also to everyone in the negative
state and in human life. Thus, this signifies that My Love and Wisdom
are all encompassing. Bread, in general, signifies the goodness of life,
and barley bread specifies its being natural goodness. Fish, in general,
signifies the most external aspects of the natural truth. That in one case
there were only five loaves of bread and two small fish signifies the
nature of the negative state and human life that contain a very
insignificant amount of good and truth even in the most external natural
states of good and truth. But it also signifies that the negative state and
human life are not absolutely evil and negative. They do contain a small
remnant of goodness and some minute degree of truth in them.
Otherwise, they could not live and function. My feeding them from those
minute conditions signifies that I will utilize those remnants for
extending to them all aspects of My Celestial, Spiritual and Natural
Goodness and Truth which will save them from their pseudo-life. Sitting
down to eat this bread and fish signifies acceptance of the fact that only
by My own intervention in and arrangement of everything in the
negative state and human life in a proper order, can anyone be saved
from the eternal continuation in such a pseudo-life. Five loaves of bread
means the minimum amount required for maintenance of semblance of
life in the negative state and human life. Seven loaves means the
maximum of anything of good that can be contained in the pseudo-life
and human life, and no more. Two fish signifies the minimum awareness
of any truth which is available to anyone in the negative state and
human life and which is necessary to maintain in their condition in order
to preserve in them any ability for being saved. A few small fish signifies
the maximum of anything from the natural external truth that can be
contained in the pseudo-life and in human life at all. Five thousand
signifies that portion of positive energies that was cut off from the
positive energies and utilized for the establishment of the pseudo-life of
the negative state and which will be eligible for conversion to the positive
state, that is to say, for conversion of their entire totality, represented by
the number five thousand. It is not an infinite number which decided to
partake in the pseudo-life of the negative state but only a very small
portion of it. Four thousand means all aspects of human life that need to
be fed with goodness and truth for the purpose of their purification from
all their evils and falsities. ‘Besides women and children’ signifies that
the negative state and human life place all meaning of life and how they
understand what life is all about in the external-scientific exploration
and explanation, depicted here by men-males, with very little
consideration of the inner, intuitive and insightful state of knowing that
something is the way it is and why it is so, represented here by women
and small children. That 12 baskets of leftovers were collected signifies
that there is no limit to how much of My Divine Love and Goodness is
available to all who desire to be fed by My Life. Twelve means the
completeness and fullness of any state which is inexhaustible and lasts
forever. At this time this is all that you need to know about this issue.
Peter: Thank You very much for everything. Is there anything else
today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: No, Peter, this will be all for now. Have a nice
day.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
