SIXTY THIRD DIALOGUE

April 5, 1999

Peter: Today I have some questions to ask on behalf of Dr. Beth Ann Voien and Dan Barba. However, before going into them, I would like first to ask You if You have anything to add or to elaborate on anything previously discussed or considered.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking Me first. I would like to offer some additional comments about the issue of My resurrection from death, preceded by My entry into the pseudo-creators’ Hells and all other levels of the Hells. As you remember, from the position of human life, the only way to actually enter the hells and be tangibly present in them is either by the means of death — the invention of the Hells, or by one’s spirit and soul, in most instances, without being consciously aware of such presence and work there. The human physical body is incapable in itself and by itself to be transposed from its planetary environment to any other non-physical dimension. Even within the physical dimension it is bound by the biological, chemical, atmospheric and other similar conditions which are structurally ingrained in the nature of planet Zero. Thus, in order to be able to enter any other dimensions in a tangible and perceptible manner by all modes of one’s mind, the human physical body has to die or be put aside either on a permanent or temporary basis, respectively.

In My particular case, it was necessary to choose the first mode of entry into the Hells — by means of the physical death of My physical body. The reason for this choice is in the fact that death is the most significant state and process of human experience which all humans must inevitably go through. In fact, human life, from its very beginning, is in the process of dying, culminating in the actual death of its physical body, through which the human spirit and soul are discharging their life while on planet Zero. Because of this condition and because such an experience is integral to human life, and because I chose to be in human life, I had to also choose the human mode of dying and death itself. Lack of any experience of the human nature, in this case, lack of experiencing the most integral portion of human life — dying and death — would deprive Me of experiencing the completeness and fullness of all states, processes and conditions of human life and thus, ultimately, of the negative state. If human life is the end product of the negative state’s pseudo-creative endeavor, then it is obvious that the fullness of the negative state’s nature cannot be experienced — as everyone in the negative state does — without including all experiential modes of human life. If I were to exclude this most significant mode of human experience, I would not be able to accomplish My mission the way it was carefully planned. Also, in that case, humans could not be saved from their typical human life because in order to save them from it, one has to know experientially what human life is all about and how it functions and proceeds, as well as by what means and ways it ends its function while living in the typical human body. As you remember from previous statements, the only way you can accomplish anything at all about anyone or anything is from their own experiential position.

The mystery of My incarnation into human life, and via it, into the negative state, is in the fact that from the position of My Absolute Goodness, which is pure and uncontaminated by anything negative, it is impossible to come in touch with anything human and negative. As you know, such touch would cause total destruction of all in human life and in the negative state in general. In order to circumvent this adverse possibility, I chose to acquire a human physical body, by the means of a typical human birth, which insulated My Absolute Goodness from causing any harm to anyone. At the same time, it gave Me something that was not contained in My Absolute Nature. As you know, the human body was originally fabricated from ideas of evils and falsities. Because evils and falsities are the nature of the negative state, and because they don’t stem from or originate in the Absolute State, they have only relative and temporary validity. This is the source of the human body’s condition rooted in its dying and death. At the same time, because of this important factor of the human physical body, I became structurally familiar to the negative state and to human life as if I were one of them. Simply stated, because of My human body, everyone also assumed that I was as full of evils and falsities as anyone else. By that assumption, I was able to insulate everyone else in the negative state and human life from being annihilated by My Absolute State. During that time, I functioned, in most instances, from the position of human relativity.

If I were to choose to enter the Hells by any mode other than through the typical human death, it would be entering it by My Absolute Spirit. It is impossible for My Absolute Spirit to do anything from the relative condition. Otherwise it would not be absolute. In that case, I would not be able to maintain the life of My Creation and its function. Such maintenance is possible only from the Absolute Condition. So, if I were to enter the Hells from this Absolute Condition, by the factor of the negative state’s relativity, temporality and transience, the negative state would succumb to that Absolute Presence. However, the human physical body gave Me a means, by its process of dying and death, which are of a relative, temporary and transient nature, to enter the Hells from the position of their own relativity. By that relativity, the Hells were insulated from being annihilated by My sole presence from the position of My Absolute Nature. This is one of the most important reasons why I chose the human mode of life, ingrained in the process of dying and death. Because it was perceived by everyone in the Hells that My human physical body was dead, they all assumed that I was like one of them, relative to their own relativity. Therefore, I was familiar to their mode of pseudo-life. From that position I could accomplish everything in the Hells that was needed and necessary to accomplish.

Of course, the greatest surprise of their pseudo-life was when they witnessed that My human physical body was alive again by the process of its resurrection from death. In actuality, it was at that time that they fully realized who I was. Before that, they only suspected who I was but they were not sure about it. They were confused about Me because, after all, a true God cannot die. And here I was dying and dead. How could this possibly be Me? It was difficult for anyone to conceive an idea of God’s assumption of human nature with all its attributes which included the most important and significant one — dying and death. This is one of the reasons why many humans, and others in the negative state, are unable to accept this fact about My life on planet Zero. Because it is almost impossible for them to accept the fact that God can experience dying and actual death, and even more impossible for them to understand and to accept the fact that My human physical body was resurrected from that death, they had to conclude that I was not a true God, but only either His emissary or an enlightened regular human; and that if I really died, then My body remained dead and has never been resurrected, yielding to the pseudo-laws of planet Zero.

And yet, from the position of My salvation of all, and from the position of elimination of the negative state on a permanent basis, it was absolutely essential for Me to experience the human condition of dying and death. And even more important, it was absolutely necessary to establish something that had never existed or had never been experienced before — resurrection of My physical human body and taking it with Me to the spiritual world and subsequently incorporating it into My Absolute Nature. And this is what the true meaning of Easter is all about. Of course, there are many other important aspects of these events and facts but they would be beyond comprehension of the relative human life. They are of the absolute nature.

Peter: Thank You very much for this beautiful elaboration. May I now present Beth Ann’s questions?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, you may.

Peter: Her first question relates to the terms, often used in the books of Your New Revelation — ‘creatures’ and ‘sub-creatures.’ Interestingly enough, I have also been pondering about them for some time. Her question is whether these entities, called creatures and sub-creatures, are also sentient, and thus, ultimately able to accept You and Your positive state.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, the answer to this question will be somewhat ambiguous. It is ‘yes’ and ‘no.’ However, before going into explanation of this ambiguity, it is necessary first to reveal something that has not been revealed so far. It relates to the way these two terms need to be understood and to whom or to what they are applied. Initially, during genetic manipulation and experimentation by the pseudo- creators, they came up with an idea of fabrication of some creatures that would be fully sentient in the negative sense; meaning, their sentiency would include nothing at all from anything conceivable in the positive state or how they or any sentient entity looked, both externally and internally. Because no external or internal resemblance existed to anyone or anything in Creation or pseudo-creation, and because these fabrications could also be clearly differentiated from any animal forms and contents, they were named by the pseudo-creators, ‘creatures.’ These creatures were fabricated in such a way that their sentience was put into a special type of spiritual, mental and genetic sphere which precluded an entrance of anything positive and good. In this respect, only very rudimentary elements of the positive nature were contained in their brand of sentience. Because from the spiritual standpoint, the degree of sentience is determined by one’s ability to know, to understand and to accept Me as The Lord Jesus Christ, and My positive state, and because of the minutest degree of their sentience in this particular sense, the answer to that question is on the ‘no’ side.

However, things are not as simple as that. And this brings us to the ‘yes’ portion of our ambiguous answer. As you know, no sentient life may or can exist without some degree of awareness, albeit on the unconscious level, of something positive and good. This factor, discussed many times before, stems from the fact that there is no such thing as absolute evil or absolute negative. Only Absolute Good and Absolute Positive exist. In order to give life to such creatures, even though it is a pseudo-life, it was necessary to retain a minute degree of that portion of life which originated from and in the positive state.

We mentioned above that only very rudimentary elements of the positive nature were included in their brand of sentience. These elements were sufficient enough to give them life but not sufficient enough to have any obvious sense of anything good and positive. It is these rudimentary elements that will be used by Me to rekindle or reawaken them to the point that they will enter into the fully conscious sphere of the mind of these creatures and will be utilized for expansion of their sentience with a greater degree of its positive aspects.

Let Me tell you something. Some time ago, a very special division in the New School was opened by Me, which specializes exclusively in the affairs of these creatures. The members of that division are assigned the role of performing the expansion of these creatures’ sentience through a special type of spiritual, mental and genetic rewiring of their sentient mind in such a manner that it puts them into a position to discern, to understand and to accept My New Nature and the nature of My positive state. It is a somewhat lengthy process from the standpoint of your conceptualization of time but, nevertheless, it is very effective and efficient in accomplishing this goal. Recently, a great number of these creatures have undergone this process of rewiring and restructuring with a subsequent conversion to the positive state.

So, this is the first part of answering Beth Ann’s and your question, Peter. In this first part I also want to include the explanation of the term ‘sub-creatures.’ At one point in time, shortly after the lockup of the pseudo-creators, the ‘prominent’ members of the Hells to whom the pseudo-creators passed their power, standing and control, and to whom they gave 80 percent of the knowledge that they themselves had, and who are now called the renegades, decided to continue the experimentation with the available genetic material in order to fabricate their own brand of entities. However, the 80 percent of the knowledge available to them was not sufficient to bring them to the full level of the pseudo-creators’ abilities in this respect. In fact, the lacking 20 percent contained most of the secrets of the pseudo-life-making process. Only some initial elements were available to the renegades (we shall call them renegades for the purpose of differentiation, although at that time they were not yet renegades). In the process of the renegades’ attempts to fabricate a new breed of entities, who would be the likeness and image of themselves, they only partially succeeded in their effort. The reason why they were unable to fully succeed and fabricate someone like the pseudo- creators’ creatures, was because they totally and completely excluded anything positive or good in the process of their attempts. The renegades were/are unwilling to accept the fact that any type of life can and may originate only with the inclusion of something positive and good, even if it is in the minutest proportions. They wanted desperately to prove the point that they can and may fabricate someone fully sentient without any such inclusions, limiting themselves only to purely negative and evil states and extracting from genetic material only that which has no relevance to anything positive, even in the remotest degree.

After several attempts and numerous failures, the renegades succeeded in fabrication of the quasi-sentient life forms, called sub-creatures. The reason they are called that is because, internally and externally, they look like caricatures of the creatures who were initially fabricated by the pseudo-creators. What is the spiritual, mental and personal status of these sub-creatures? Because only negative elements were used in the process of their fabrications, and only pseudo-energies were applied and imparted on them, these sub-creatures have only very rudimentary intelligence and ability to understand anything at all and are in need of constant supervision. They are comparable to humans who are in a state of moderate to severe developmental disability. In actuality, these adverse human conditions are the sole correspondences of those sub- creatures.

However, in the Hells, these sub-creatures are able to be trained in performing some tasks of menial labor. So, they were turned into slaves of other creatures and renegades for the purpose of performing these types of tasks for them. Under their presently existing spiritual, mental and personal conditions, they are unable to comprehend and, thus, to accept Me or My positive state. This is the ‘no’ answer to Beth Ann’s question. However, because of My Absolute Compassion and Mercy, I could not allow them to be eliminated like common animals. In these sub-creatures, potentially, an ability exists that could lead them toward development of the concept of ‘I am.’ From that concept they would be able to understand and to accept Me in My New Nature and My positive state. For that reason, when the time comes to permanently abolish the negative state and its typical human life (in its purely negative aspects), these sub-creatures will be placed into a hospital-type division of the New School, where I personally impart on them some additional spiritual, mental and genetic elements that would be incorporated into their current genetic makeup, and from which they will be able to develop full sentience the way it is in the positive state.

In the first step of this important work, an idea will be implanted into the comprehensive sphere of their just-developing sentient mind, in which they will be asked, if they wish and desire by their own free will and choice, to be and to exist as solely positive entities placed into the life of the positive state. Because their original genetic code, as implanted into them by the renegades, contains a strong desire to be and to exist, no matter in what mode of life, they will all accept this new positive condition. And this is the ‘yes’ portion of My answer to Beth Ann’s first question.

Now, the above explanation of the terms ‘creatures’ and ‘sub-creatures’ refers to those times which were in occurrence either before My First Coming or before My New Nature came to its fruition. Following those times, and after the creation of My New Universe, and after the release of the pseudo-creators, and after the pseudo-creators fabricated their own new pseudo-universe, a different breed of creatures was fabricated by them with a subsequent fabrication of a different breed of the sub- creatures by the renegades. Because these new fabrications do not resemble anything that had previously been in being and existence, as well as in pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, and because they are not comparable to anyone or anything else, they are also designated by the names ‘creatures’ and ‘sub-creatures’ in order to distinguish them from all others. The reason why they are also called by these names, although they are nothing like the other creatures and sub-creatures who were previously fabricated, is in the fact that the methods and procedures used for their fabrications were the same as with the other ones, except that they were made from a totally different material. These newly fabricated creatures and sub-creatures, in comparison with the previous ones, are much more pseudo-advanced and pseudo-sophisticated in their makeup than the previous ones. Although they are fully sentient, their sentiency is based on the awareness of a different level of evils and falsities which has not been available or extricable up to that point. But because they do have a sense of ‘I am,’ even though it is rooted in purity of evilness and falsifications, they will be able to understand and to accept, when the time comes, My New Nature and the life of My positive state.

However, there is a third category of creatures and sub-creatures in the Hells. This category is derived from human stock. Some humans, who were, in their nature, of such tremendous negativity, evilness and falsification, and who became so engrossed in and identified with their despicable nature, that upon arrival to one of the Hells, they were/are specially ‘rewarded’ by their masters with genetic restructuring into these types of creatures. On the other hand, those of the human stock who totally failed in their endeavor to please their masters but who, at the same time, despised and rejected anything positive and good, upon their arrival to the Hells, were/are genetically restructured into the type of sub-creatures as mentioned above.

Now, these former humans, turned into creatures and sub-creatures, by My special state of Compassion and Mercy, in an opportune time, will be restored to that part of their previous human nature which contained the awareness of their ‘I am,’ on which their subsequent salvation will be built with the full understanding and acceptance of My New Nature and My positive state.

Peter: Thank You very much for Your comprehensive and elucidating answer. Her second question relates to the concept which we used to name the book of The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ. For some reason or other we started to call it ‘the Big Book.’ In the history of humankind’s constant and continuous struggle with alcoholism and all other numerous types of addictions, a movement was established known under the name, ‘Alcoholics Anonymous.’ The founders of that movement also wrote a book containing the philosophy of Alcoholics Anonymous. That book is also called ‘the Big Book.’ Beth Ann’s question is whether there is a correspondence — a kind of precursor of the positive principles contained in the 12-Steps — to Your New Revelation as contained in our Big Book.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Although there is no direct correspondence between the two, some parallels do exist. The parallel can be found in the fact that the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous, for the first time, became aware of the spiritual roots and reasons behind alcoholism and all other forms of addictions (to drugs, nicotine, gambling, and anything else). They recognized the fact that such addictions or dependencies are reflections of a total deprivation, rejection, improper understanding and misuse of the true spiritual principles. For that reason, the recovery from that condition could be found only in the reestablishment of the proper spiritual awareness and reconnection to one’s spiritual origin and in giving up one’s problems to God, in our case, to Me, and that without this spiritual awareness and acceptance of God, one is totally powerless and lost. The designation of the name ‘the Big Book’ to their book is more to the volume of the written material as compared to their other published books or literature.

In our case, although the name ‘Big Book’ also has some limited connotation to its quantitative volume, meaning it is big by the number of pages it contains, from the purely spiritual standpoint, by the way it is valued in the spiritual world, the ‘Big’ means big on the ideas and content and what it reveals qualitatively rather than quantitatively. As no awareness had existed before the ‘Big Book’ of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed and defined that alcoholism and all other addictions were, in fact, a spiritual disease, so is the ‘Big Book’ of My New Revelation containing explanations, ideas, concepts and principles which had not been available and discernable by anyone up to the point when they were revealed. And this is the extent that they correspond. No other comparison or correspondence between them exists.

Peter: Thank You very, very much for this explanation. And the final question comes from Dan. It is somewhat confusing to our human mind to understand the notion that we are involved in and function at many levels of being and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence. How is this possible and what is the degree of our involvement on the other levels as compared to our day-to-day function on our external human level? This is a very interesting question.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, it is. And yes, from the standpoint of your human external conscious mind, it will be almost impossible for you to understand how your involvement at all mentioned levels is accomplished. The problem with your human external conscious mind is that, because in your day-by-day function on planet Zero you are going from one place to another, at one time or another, it functions from the position of and within the spatial-temporal continuum. In that mode, your perception is linear and not discrete. Your human external conscious mind does not contain any notion of discreteness of the multidimensional interconnectedness. In a practical sense, you discern and perceive things and events as happening here or there, at this or that time. No synchronicity and simultaneity of all events is perceptible or apprehensible by your externals from which you function on a daily basis. At the same time, because of your human limitations, you think about other dimensions and pseudo-dimensions as located or situated somewhere out there, in some kind of remote corner of the visible universe. What is very difficult for you to apprehend is that all those dimensions are not only far from you in any sense of the availability to your perception, but they are next to you, around you and in you, although in a different state and process than you are. Your human perceptual limitations are not allowing you to see them or hear them or sense them externally. However, your true mind, beyond its external shell, by which and through which you function on planet Zero, is not situated in the spatial-temporal continuum. Although it is connected to it by its scanning sensors, accommodated to the nature of your physical environment, its major portion is involved in the life and events of other dimensions and pseudo-dimensions — without direct or even indirect involvement by that portion of your human mind which is assigned the role of orienting you and helping you function in your human life placed in the external physical environment. In this sense, your involvement in the external human life, as My true representatives, is limited to about five percent or less. The other portions of your mind and pseudo-mind (the rest of 95 percent or more) are involved elsewhere and elsewhen. That elsewhere and elsewhen are not somewhere or somewhen out there or outwhen (this is very difficult to explain!), but it is, once again, right with you, around you, in you and by you. Therefore, it is not difficult at all for you to be in many places, states, conditions, times and paratimes at the very same moment because they are all present here-and-now with you (now, how do you say it in order to avoid the time-space bound understanding of what I am talking about?).

The closest, but at the same time the most remote example in your human understanding you can find is in something like radio, television and telephone devices. For example, you talk on the phone with someone who is sitting or standing several thousand miles away from you and who is in a different space and at a different time than you are. And yet, you hear that person in your own time, in your own ears and in your own space at the very same time that he/she hears you in his/her own time, space and ears. Or take for example, the various frequencies and waves on which the television viewing and radio listening are built. By your physical eyes and your physical ears you neither see nor hear those frequencies and waves. And yet they are right there with you. And in them, right in your room, there is a presence of all people and events on your planet taking place at the very same time and place. And your own image and activities are constantly being present with all others in their time and place. In order to discern that it is so, your human conscious mind needs special types of devices which capture all images of those people and events, and makes them available for your viewing and hearing.

So, in our case, whenever you distract your human conscious mind by whatever mode, either by sleeping, dreaming, concentrating on some specific ideas, or by some other ways, in that moment your mind is intensely involved in other dimensions at the very same time as you are marginally involved in your own human external life. In order to properly understand this concept, you need to dissociate yourself from your external conscious perception and switch to your internal perception and intuition. It is utterly impossible for you to understand this concept by your external mind. It is not even remotely built to understand anything of this nature. Because of that it would be very difficult, if not impossible, at this time, to continue in this discussion. Therefore, let us close this discussion for today with a wish for all of you to have a very pleasant day.

Peter: Thank You very much for this nice Dialog. It was a very enjoyable encounter.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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