SIXTY FOURTH DIALOGUE

April 7, 1999

Peter: Before asking my own questions, I am yielding to You to talk first or to contribute anything You wish this morning.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for your kind offer. I would like to make some comments on our multilevel conversation that happened yesterday during your and Lyudmila’s afternoon walk. As you know, Lyudmila, I, you, members of both your respective spiritual families, members of the New Universe and the pseudo-creators assigned to you were engaged in a lively debate about various important spiritual issues. At one point in time, during this conversation, an issue was brought up of how your energies can be conveyed to the pseudo-creators with whom you have been working at all levels of your life (in some cases, with the exclusion of your conscious awareness that such work has been going on continuously).

Let Me tell you something about the methods of this important work. First of all, in order that such work can take place effectively and efficiently, a number of the pseudo-creators, from various groups, are being assigned to you, in addition to those who have been with you for some time (from the time when the Corollaries… were written) for the purpose of liaison between the rest of the pseudo-creators and you. Of course, at that time, the purpose of your synergetic work was considerably different than it is now. During that time the major effort was to build a bridge of connection between the pseudo-creators and the positive state and to help them come out of the hole (symbolically speaking) so that they could see and learn what it was that made you so different from all the rest of humanity.

At the present time, within the framework of the Great Alliance, your work together is geared toward restraint and defeat of the renegades, toward the establishment of a totally new lifestyle, and relationships from the position of the positive state, among many other things.

How can your energies be conveyed to the pseudo-creators in order to realize and actualize this important work? The very first step in this respect, and one of the most important ones, is the way you think, feel about, and relate to the pseudo-creators. For a long period of time, you thought and felt about them in an adversarial manner. They were considered to be your enemies who would want nothing better than to destroy you or seduce and corrupt you. Also, many of you were afraid of them and avoided even thinking about them. With such an attitude, not much could be accomplished in the process of establishing synergistic work with them. Once they noticed the difference that existed between you and the rest of the typical humans, their attitude toward you changed. They no longer felt the need to do anything about you or your reversed conversion to their cause or to the cause of the negative state. Instead, they adopted a detached, scientific, cool and objective attitude toward you for the purpose of observing and learning what it was that made you so different. In the process of that observation and learning, many questions of important significance were answered by your contribution to them, and willingness to submit yourself to their observation and experimentation and by your offer of help.

During that time, most of you still felt cautious and untrusting toward the pseudo-creators, avoiding them as much as possible and interacting with them only on a ‘must’ basis. No positive feelings or feelings of friendship were experienced by you toward them. This condition of yours was understandable because of the pseudo-creators’ disruption of the course of development of life in the positive state and fabrication of the human race with all its atrocities and abominations. At that time, you were much too preoccupied with the negative consequences of the activation of the negative state and fabrication of humans. In other words, you were looking at that situation from a typical position of the negative state and human life instead of from the position of proper understanding and acceptance of the reasons why the adverse activities of the pseudo-creators were permitted by Me to unfold in the first place. From that position, it was difficult or even impossible for you to understand and to accept the fact that, by their adverse activities, the pseudo-creators were contributing to very important learning for all in My Creation at all its levels.

However, at the present time, with the proper understanding and acceptance of the needs for all those events, unleashed by the pseudo- creators, to take place, and by their own understanding and acceptance of the consequences of their adverse activities, and by having the proper and correct answers to all of their questions available to them, your position and attitude toward them are changing in such a manner that it will occupy the view inherent in the nature of the positive state and in My Nature personally. This is the view of mercy, compassion, empathy, understanding, acceptance and forgiveness. No longer will there be rejection, fear, avoidance, lack of trust and similar negative emotions and attitudes, but instead there will be a new form of friendship and cooperation between you and them.

And this brings us toward the issue of conveyance of your energies to the pseudo-creators in order that they accomplish what is needed to accomplish at this particular time. By showing toward them love, friendship, kindness, understanding, and by similar positive emotions and thoughts, you are giving them your energies. Through such positive feelings and thoughts, the pseudo-creators are able to extract and utilize your energies in their important work which they are doing now solely for Me and My cause.

In a practical sense, if you have a visual awareness of their presence with you (and some of you do have it), you go to them, greet them, hug them, be friendly and kind to them and converse with them as much as possible on all issues of your life and life in general. If you don’t have a visual awareness or any other experience of their presence with you, you may think and feel about them in this positive way and talk to them in your mind as if you are fully consciously aware of their presence with you. Either way, or whatever way is available to you, will be very effective in conveying your energies to them.

In a more general and even more effective way, if you invite them to participate in all your everyday activities, your personal energies will be constantly available to them. You have to understand that, from now on, the pseudo-creators assigned to you will be an integral part of your spiritual families. They will be in an especially close contact and collaboration with the members of the New Universe who are assigned to you for that, and for many other important purposes.

Another important issue that transpired during our multilevel conversation yesterday, was about your attitude toward the pseudo- creators in cases when you personally don’t agree with some of the methods they have been using in their effort to restrain and defeat the renegades, or in other instances that you feel are not too appropriate or efficient. Although in some cases your perception in this respect may be correct, it is advisable that you don’t take a judgmental position toward their methods. The reason for this is that you have no idea why certain things are permitted by Me the way they are being manifested or undertaken by the pseudo-creators. In your conversation with Me and with them yesterday, as well as with all present, it was clearly indicated to you that the pseudo-creators, as well as everyone else, are not perfect or absolute. Because of that, they, as well as everyone else, are prone to make mistakes. How do you think that some important learning in their case, as well as in everyone else’s case, is accomplished and takes place? By making mistakes and learning from their mistakes. It was clearly indicated to you in My New Revelation that, because of everyone’s relative condition, even someone who can be considered almost next to My Absolute State is prone to occasionally make some mistakes or to arrive at some inappropriate conclusions. However, through such mistakes and wrong conclusions, they learn very important lessons through which and by which they are able to be more and more perfect and more and more advanced in their spiritual development and progression.

So, if you look at the pseudo-creators’ mistakes and wrong conclusions from this proper perspective, you will understand the need for their occurrence and you will give them full support in their endeavor by agreeing with their procedures no matter how inappropriate or wrong they seem to be from your human standpoint. Remember please, from your inner, non-human standpoint, there is a clear understanding and acceptance of why such errors or wrong conclusions need to occur. By this type of accepting and positive attitude, you are giving or sharing with them your personal energies. And this is the other, very effective way how to convey to them your energies.

As you see from these examples, the way you give them or make available your help and your energies, is by your proper attitude and the way you feel, think about, and interact with the pseudo-creators. This is the most effective way.

Another point that you need to be aware of in this respect is that there are two levels in which you are involved with the pseudo-creators, as well as with everyone else who is assigned to you. Your involvement approximately 95% of the time and of your mind takes place in other dimensions in general, and in the dimension of the pseudo-creators in particular, where most of them reside at the present time. It is in these dimensions that you need to physically (symbolically speaking) relate to them and be with them and participate in all their activities. This participation and involvement happens, of course, without any, or very little, awareness (although a very, very, very few of you have this awareness) of your human external conscious mind. The other level of involvement is on the external plane of your everyday life when you go about your everyday business, in your mind when you converse with them and all of us, or simply when you keep all of us in your conscious awareness. The offshoot of this external involvement is when you talk to each other on the phone or face-to-face, as the case was yesterday with Lyudmila and you, Peter. Whenever you use your external vocal cords and talk about spiritual issues and about the pseudo-creators and their work, or whatever, in this respect, and only if you talk about them in a positive connotation, you are giving them your energies and, at the same time, you are intensely involved with them in their activities, as well as allowing them to be positioned in your externals. By doing that, you are making it possible for the pseudo-creators to influence the course of events on planet Zero, not only from their own dimension but also from your own external position. This combined positioning will make it more effective to accomplish the goal set forth by Me for the process of containment of the renegades and for the final elimination of the negative state. You have to clearly understand that the current role of the pseudo-creators is to make things right. They were the ones who made things wrong. Therefore, it is their full responsibility to make them right once again. And because, before your incarnation on planet Zero, for your own very important reasons and learning, you volunteered to help the pseudo-creators in this crucial process, your own personal roles are being changed or, to be more precise, that portion of your role for being on planet Zero which relates to this collaborative effort with the pseudo-creators, is being activated right now. This is the reason why we are talking about it in this Dialog and why Lyudmila and you, Peter, yesterday, during your afternoon walk, were discussing these issues with all of us. As you see, nothing is without reason and everything happens in a very timely manner.

Talking about the renegades, the other point which was brought to your attention yesterday during our multilevel conversation, was the issue of the renegades themselves and how they ‘physically’ look and at what point of their possible future conversion to the positive state they are at the present time. It was indicated to you that from your human standpoint and judgment, they do look very ugly, fierce and unpleasantly disgusting. However, in their own subjective view, to themselves, they look very beautiful and desirable because they equate beauty and desirableness with fierceness, ruggedness, roughness and similar negative features and characteristics. As you know, the inner dispositions, which in the case of the renegades are evil and negative, determine the external look and manifestation. The more evil and negative they are, the uglier and more fierce, rugged, unpleasant and rough they look externally. But, because in their view, to be that way internally is the most desirable and most exciting way to be, they equate those states with beauty and loveliness.

As far as at what point of their possible future conversion to the positive state they are, it was indicated to you that, at the present time, for the time being, they are not yet ready to take that step. It was also indicated to you in the previous Dialogs that the renegades are the ones who exemplify and manifest the final, most negative and evil portion of the nature of the negative state beyond which there is nothing to learn any more. Only after this last phase is completed, the condition will be established by which the renegades will be able to convert to the positive state. At this time in the ‘game,’ it would be very premature to reveal to you what those conditions could or would be. Wait and see and be patient!

Another thought that occurred to you personally, Peter, but which you didn’t express, was about the scenario under which the pseudo-creators in their entirety would convert to the positive state before the total activation and elimination of the negative state. Is such a scenario possible? And if it is possible, how could the learning about the nature of the negative state and its human life in its fullness be completed? Let Me tell you something. You are not too far from the time when all the pseudo-creators, including the third, the most negative group, will be on the positive side. So, what is going to happen then?

Well, don’t forget that during the pseudo-creators reign, before their lockup, many forms of pseudo-sentient entities, creatures, demons, sub- creatures and similar beings, as well as typical humans, were fabricated and put into place throughout all the Hells, the Zone of Displacement and on planet Zero. There are billions, billions and billions of them. These so-called beings, in whatever form and condition, were fabricated from purely evil and negative elements. They were given an impetus to develop only in one way — more negative, more evil, more cunning and more pseudo-sophisticated. Following the lockup of the pseudo-creators, they continued in their adverse development along the lines of being more and more that way. And not only that, but they fabricated an even greater number of creatures and sub-creatures from their own brand of ideas of evils and falsities.

Because of this setup in their development, even after all the pseudo- creators convert to the positive state, these beings or creatures, headed by the renegades, would continue in their pseudo-effort to destroy the positive state and to take over the entire Creation with a much greater motivation, effort and striving than ever before. And not only that, but they would proclaim themselves to be the true pseudo-creators who fabricated humans and all other creatures and sub-creatures in the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, as well as that they are the true saviors of humanity. Having 80 percent of the knowledge and abilities possessed by the genuine pseudo-creators, they would be able (and they already are now, by their current experimentation and work) to manifest and illustrate how the negative state was activated and put into dominance.

Because of their ability to do so, should this scenario be given a preference, they would be able to convince humanity about their being their true ‘creators.’ Once humanity would become convinced of these pseudo-facts, the negative state would pseudo-win on planet Zero. Of course, it doesn’t mean that this particular scenario would be chosen or given preference. However, it is available and it could be put into motion if needed and necessary. And this is all that I wanted to contribute today. And now, go ahead, Peter, ask your question which reflects your typical human embarrassment due to the technical mistakes you made in these Dialogs.

Peter: Yes, it is very embarrassing and uncomfortable and I am curious why this situation has been with me throughout my entire life. The technical mistakes we are talking about (and this is for the benefit of all readers of these Dialogs), is in the fact that somehow, in the sequential numbering of the pages of these Dialogs, in one instance I numbered two Dialogs with the same page numbers. In the Forty Fifth Dialog the last page number is 304, but I started the Forty Sixth Dialog with page number 303. This numbering of the pages is completely off. And although I corrected this problem in my computer, the readers received wrong and confusing numbering of these pages. In the Sixty Second Dialog, those people who received it through E-mail, will have an error on page 420, on the very last line of that page, which ends with the words “until Christmas time of 1988.” It should be read as 1987, and not 1988. Even typing now, I made a mistake by typing 1997. Fortunately, I caught it immediately. And the same problem occurred in the Fifth Dialog. On page 41, where a quote is entered from the Epistle of James, it is indicated that the quote in question is in the first chapter, verse 13, whereas it should be the second chapter, verse 13. All my life I have known that the mentioned quote is contained in the second chapter of James, yet I typed in the word ‘first.’ Is there any reason for these embarrassing oversights? (By the way, I urge all readers who received these incorrect data, to make proper corrections in their copies).

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, as you know, nothing exists without some important reason. In your case, this is an illustration of your aversion toward quantification, externalization and linearity. It is not so much the numbers themselves and in themselves per se, as the sequential numbering of pages or entering specific dates that are troublesome for you personally, Peter. You have always had a problem with that. You are clearly aware of the spiritual correspondences of the function that each individual number has. Such correspondences have a qualitative and discrete connotation. However, it is a different story when they are used in their quantitative, mathematical, linear and statistical functions. These are of purely external nature. Because of that they have a negative connotation. Hence, your unconscious aversion toward them reflected in your unconscious rejection to properly follow the sequential numbering or giving the correct dates. The precise dates for you, Peter, have too much of the fixed, immutable, unchangeable, and temporal connotation, which are, again, of external and linear nature. They are specific only to planet Zero and to the human aspects of your nature. The nature of the positive state is rooted in quality, non- linearity, discreteness, individuality and uniqueness. Because you have always looked at things from the position of the positive state, which was ingrained in your basic nature, even if you were not consciously aware until recently that it has been the case with you, you have always taken the position of the positive state rather than the position of the typical human state of your mind. It has always been your role to be that way, Peter.

That was also one of the reasons why during your school years, the situation was specifically set up for you in such a manner, that you were thwarted from being able to excel or to succeed in mathematics and science in general. Because of that, you developed such an aversion toward them. If the situation were set up differently, you would be engrossed in natural sciences and mathematics in general to a such extent that it would effectively sidetrack you from your mission as transmitter of My New Revelation. You would have become a hard-core scientist who would tend to reject any spiritual explanation of the structure of Creation and human life. In that case, you would have sided with the negative state. As you see from this explanation, everything in your life was set up in such a way that it would lead you only toward one most important purpose — to become the transmitter of My New Revelation. In some way or another, everything in your life has served this purpose.

Peter: I appreciate this explanation very much. However, it does not diminish my embarrassment. Well, all I can say is, first of all, that I profusely apologize by the means of this particular Dialog to all readers, (please, forgive me, everyone!), and secondly, that I will try to do my best to avoid such mistakes in the future. But don’t hold your breath that it won’t happen again.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, I would recommend to all readers of these Dialogs to go by the headings which designate which Dialog follows from the first to the last one rather than by the page numbers — at least until the problem is corrected. Of course, you corrected it in the computer. Others may, if they wish, correct them manually in their own copy of these Dialogs. That would resolve your concerns, Peter.

Peter: Thank You very much for this suggestion and for Your contribution toward the issue discussed in this Dialog in general. One more question was asked by Dr. Ardyth Norem. Her question is: In our sexual involvement with the members of our spiritual family or with others in the positive state who are assigned to us, what kind of products result, if any? I believe her question relates to Your advice which was given to us some time ago, as recorded in one of the Updates in the Corollaries... . At that time, we were advised to invite all assigned to us to engage in such a sexual relationship. Any comments or elaboration on this issue?

The Lord Jesus Christ: At that time the major reason for that advice was the need to establish a direct line from the positive state to human life and to the negative state in general so that the members of the positive state could position themselves directly in the midst of human life and the negative state. Sexuality, being that it is a major tool or means for such a necessary connection, was utilized primarily for that purpose as well as for joy, delight, pleasure and mutual sharing. Because of such a specific purpose, for which your sexual involvement was used, the only type of ideas which were born from such a sexual relationship, were the ideas related to the most effective and efficient abolishment and elimination of the life of the negative state and for preparation of the currently ongoing shift to begin. No specific ideas for their endowment into becoming new sentient entities were produced because of an entirely different purpose for which such sexual relationships were introduced. Now, at that time, all this was happening without your conscious awareness.

However, the present situation is entirely different. The shift occurred with the purpose and goal that such sexual relationships between you and all those who are attached to you, including the pseudo-creators, are being encouraged. Sexual relationships of this nature, which happen entirely on the spiritual and mental levels in other dimensions, very often with only marginal, if any at all, external physical sensation, have become a means through which and by which a new quality of interrelationships amongst all of you is being established and totally new ideas are being born that have a direct relevance to the activation of life in the state of fullness and completeness of the positive state; as well as a new and different understanding of that aspect of My New Nature which has not been available to you up to this point, but which has been put into the foreground as of recently, and is being conveyed to all of you who choose by your own free will and choice to be in such sexual relationships. The impact of the release of this new and different aspect of My New Nature to the entirety of My Creation and to you, My true representatives, will be of immense proportions, not discernible by the human portion of your mind — at least for the time being — but very much felt and experienced during such sexual intercourse on the other levels.

Another product of these relationships is the birth of special types of ideas that have a direct relevance to your new roles which you have in your position as My true representatives. Such ideas will be helpful to you in establishment of a lifestyle which is of the positive nature from the position of the positive state. They will give you insight into and understanding of what and how it is to be My true representatives. In addition to that, the involvement of the pseudo-creators in this sexual process will give them a better means to receive and to utilize your personal and sexual energies in making things right once again, as indicated above, and to abolish everything that they made wrong. As you know, sexual energy is one of the most potent tools and means through which and by which all the above mentioned things can be accomplished.

Because of these very specific and crucial aspects for which your sexual involvement with those who are attached to you in other dimensions and worlds is taking place, or will be taking place, — if you so choose it to happen by your own free will and choice — no energies will be left for production of the ideas for birth of new sentient entities. At this point in time, all your sexual and other energies need to go into that which was described above. Of course, parallel to that, your sexual involvement will still be accompanied by the sense and feelings of joy, delight, pleasure, happiness, relaxation and mutual sharing. And this is all you need to know at this time about this particular topic.

Peter: Thank You very much for this explanation. It was very interesting. Is there anything else You would like to talk about today?

The Lord Jesus Christ: No, Peter, this is all for today. As always, it was a pleasure to dialog with you. Have a very pleasant day.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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