SIXTY SIXTH DIALOGUE

April 11, 1999

Peter: A few days ago, as Lyudmila and I were walking during our usual afternoon walk, and as all of us were discussing various life issues, a question came to my mind which I would like to present to You for Your elaboration and comment, if I may. But before formulating my own question, I would like to ask You if You wish to make any comments or elaborate on any topic first.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Of course you may ask your question, Peter. And, yes, I would like to talk about something first, since you were so kind and offered Me this opportunity to talk first. My comments will address, in the form of clarification, the issue of the pseudo-creators’ effort to make everything right which they had made so wrong. As you know, Peter, one of the most important and significant processes, by which the pseudo-creators were able to activate the pseudo-life of the negative state, was separation of all principles of masculinity and all principles of femininity and putting one principle over the other, artificially making one more valuable, more deserving and more needed than the other one. In the higher spiritual understanding, the process of separation occurred on the level of Love and Wisdom, Good and Truth and Positive Works and Faith. The positive state, the nature of which derives from My Absolute Nature, was founded on unification, integration and oneness of all these spiritual principles. In Me, they are in a state of Absolute Unity, Harmony, Cohesiveness, Integration and Oneness without any possibility of their split, fractionation or placing one over the other. Logically speaking, if all these principles in Me reside in their Absolute State and Condition, then each principle, in itself and by itself, is absolute likewise. Because they are absolute, they must be equal in all their aspects and manifestations. Otherwise, some of them, or all of them, would not be absolute but only relative to each other. If they were to be relative to each other, in that case, any particular principle could be put in a position of preferential treatment or could be conceivable as more needed, more valuable and more deserving than any other. However, in that case, Creation could not be created because any creation can be founded only on the state of unification of all principles. Nothing has ever been permanently built on anything even remotely resembling a disintegrated state or condition.

So, in order to activate the negative state, it was necessary to violate this fundamental requirement for any type of creation and come up with something which would have a totally opposite nature and meaning. Therefore, if the nature of the positive state was built on the principles of unification, integration and oneness of Love and Wisdom, Good and Truth and Positive Works and Faith, then obviously, if you have the need to come up with something totally different from that, in that case, you have to start with the total separation, isolation and disintegration of all such principles. Otherwise you would be building the positive state and not the negative one.

This is how the pseudo-creators made things wrong. For that reason, in order to make them right again, it is necessary to begin with the process of, first, removal of such a separation, isolation and disintegration, and second, it is necessary to proceed with the process of reintegration, reunification and reconnection of all these vital and crucial principles.

As you noticed, Peter, I purposefully omitted the word ‘marriage’ in the process of this description. It was on your mind why this is the case. Although in the past, or up to this point, it was appropriate to talk about the spiritual marriage of Love and Wisdom, Good and Truth and Positive Works and Faith, the present, more advanced spiritual situation requires a higher approach toward understanding these concepts and how they interrelate. If you carefully explore the meaning of the word ‘marriage,’ you will notice that it indicates the existence of two separate entities that need to come together in order to make them distinguishably one. No matter how much you unify them, or in this case, marry them, if you perceive and conceive them as two separate entities, as manifested, for example, in the existence of male and female, they still remain distinguishable from each other and unique in their nature. So, no matter which way you look at it, they are two and not one. In such a marital state, a condition still remains that may result in their possible separation — as is so often manifested in human divorces, for example. In that case, if you look at it from a typical condition of their marriage, they continue to have a very strong potential for their future separation — for whatever reasons. And that would and could ultimately lead to reactivation of the negative state. However, if we talk about their integration, unification and oneness, instead of their marriage, by virtue of the true logical meaning of these important concepts, no possibility for the reactivation of the negative state may or can result from them.

The reason why up to this point it was permitted to talk about their marriage, was in the fact that it was necessary for Me Personally to separate from My Essence — My Absolute Femininity, in order to be able to enter human life, and the life of the negative state in general, and to set up a condition in them for their future salvation built on the process of reintegration, reunification and reconnection of the principles in question. Because in human life, and in the negative state in general, the closest approximation to such a positive understanding and conceptualization of these principles was manifested only in their physical marriages, in which they could remotely experience some minute degree of their unification, it was necessary to adopt that concept or word — marriage, in order to make such notion familiar to them. Otherwise, they could not conceive and understand what I, or anyone else, was talking about. Thus, as you see from this example, the word ‘marriage’ gave humans and other creatures some remote approximation of the true reality of the positive state. These are the remnants of the positive state contained in everyone who presently lives in the negative state and in human life. On these remnants their future salvation will be accomplished. The way for this process was prepared by My own reunification, reintegration and reconnection to My Original Essence, called in the Gospels, Father.

However, at the present time, when everything about the negative state and human life is coming to its finale and ending, and because the word ‘marriage’ doesn’t even remotely reflect the true nature of the positive state, it is necessary to bring into the foreground of everyone’s awareness a different, more appropriate understanding of this concept and replace it with concepts that are more genuine, realistic and more congruent with the true nature of the positive state which is structured conceptually and dynamically on the basis of unity, integration and oneness of all principles of Love and Wisdom, Good and Truth and Positive Works and Faith. These concepts contain and reflect far more than the word ‘marriage’ can express or contain.

Because in the case of the pseudo-creators, in order to activate the negative state, it was necessary to separate Love and Wisdom, or Femininity and Masculinity, respectively, and all their other respective attributes and characteristics, and because from the position of the principles of Love — femininity, it is utterly impossible to do that — love would never allow such a separation! — they had to suppress that principle and emphasize and put into dominance the masculine principle. Only from the position of masculinity, in the state of its total separation, isolation and disintegration from the principles of femininity, can a situation be set up for activation of the negative state. The problem with love and its femininity is in the fact that from its position no question can or may occur about the possibility of any other life other than the life of the positive state. Love doesn’t ask questions. It is not its function to do so. However, from the position of wisdom and its masculinity, such a question can easily be conceived because it is its function to ask questions. But in order to answer that question properly, with the full validity of all its conclusions, consequences, results and outcomes, it was necessary to turn away from the state of the unity of Love and Wisdom and all their respective attributes and characteristics. The turning away resulted in the split of masculinity and femininity with the subsequent activation of the negative state. It is not by coincidence, Peter, that in your mind, whenever you think about the pseudo-creators, you think about them as men. No women pseudo-creators ever enter your awareness.

In order to make things right once again, this split has to be repaired. How do you go about repairing it? As you know, the very nature of the pseudo-creators, as well as all their fabrications, is rooted in this split. It is encoded into their genetic makeup. As you remember, some time ago, it was indicated to you (in the Corollaries...) that I opened a very special new division in My New School that specifically and particularly specializes in the affairs of the pseudo-creators. Any pseudo-creator, who shows a desire to convert to the positive state, must enter that special division in the New School and undergo a special type of spiritual, mental, ‘physical,’ genetic and any other type of restructuring and rewiring of their entire system, incomprehensible to your human external mind, during which, encoded into their genes, the need for this split is being removed and a new code within the pseudo-creators’ mind is implanted for the reconnection of the mentioned principles and all their states and processes. This new code makes it possible for them to begin the process of reintegration, reunification and reconnection of all previously separated, isolated and disintegrated principles within their mind.

I am revealing to you that at this time almost two-thirds of the pseudo- creators are in that particular division of the New School, undergoing this process. Remember please, because the process of separation, isolation and split took many millennia to accomplish, the process of reunification, reintegration and reconnection cannot take place overnight, so-to-speak. However, due to the fact that the state of unification, integration and oneness had already been experienced by most of them before the activation of the negative state, and its familiarity and how to revert to it was retained in the deepest recesses of the unconscious portion of their mind, it doesn’t need to take as long a time as the process of the split itself. The reason why the process of the split took basically a few million years to accomplish (in humans’ conceptualization of time), was because nothing of that nature or experience existed at that time. It was necessary to experiment with that process first by trying this or that method until a proper key was found to accomplish that almost impossible feat.

As long as the pseudo-creators are undergoing this process, and as long as they are in the process of making things right once again, based on their own internal integration, reunification and reconnection, we will continue to call them ‘the pseudo-creators’ for their own personal and important spiritual reasons. Only after the full deactivation and elimination of the negative state is completed — the major task for which the pseudo-creators are responsible, will they no longer be called ‘the pseudo-creators.’ At that time they will be called co-creators.

As far as the other one-third of the pseudo-creators is concerned, who are still not in the position of conversion to the positive state, they will continue in their own experimentation for the purpose of getting the final answer to their existential question. However, at this time, their question has a final character, beyond which, after it is answered properly, no other question is possible to ask from their own position, because it will totally and completely reject the mentioned before Null- Hypothesis. The reason why their current questioning has a final character, is because their experimentation reached a pinnacle due to the fact that finally, they have a different type of material, extracted from My true representatives, formerly the agents of My positive state, with which and by which they are trying to fabricate a sentient entity who would contain such a state of unification, integration and reconnection of all previously split principles, without utilization of any true spiritual principles. The question in their mind at this time is: Is it possible at all to accomplish this goal? Is it possible to fabricate someone into the mentioned state of unification, integration and reconnection without any spiritual principles and My Personal involvement? You see, Peter, the issue with this particular brand of the pseudo-creators is My Personal involvement. They have always wanted to prove that it is possible to create a purely positive lifestyle without Me or My Personal involvement. This is the core of the whole issue!

The reason why we are calling this phase of the pseudo-creators’ experimentation — as reaching the final pinnacle, is that, before this time, and before their lockup, they tried all other possible and impossible methods — and, of course, they failed. At this time, however, only one method remains — using the new material extracted from My representatives, which was not available to them at that time. So, taking into consideration the importance of this final answer to their question, it is to your advantage that the remaining pseudo-creators complete this phase of their final experimentation as soon as possible so that they likewise may enter the mentioned division in the New School. By proceeding with this experimentation, and as a result of rejecting the Null-Hypothesis (remember its premise? ‘It is possible to have a true life, comparable to the life of the positive state, without Me or any of My true spiritual principles or only with false gods, them, and with false and distorted spiritual principles!’), they are on their own way toward making things right. This is one of the many reasons why you were advised to cooperate also with this faction of the pseudo-creators. The sooner they complete this phase of their experimentation, the sooner we will all be in position for elimination and removal of that burdensome state of isolation, separation, split and disintegration on which life of the negative state and human life are founded. Unfortunately, at this particular time, as mentioned before, their experimentation in this respect is hampered and impeded by their war with the renegades. The renegades, of course, are proceeding likewise with their own agenda in this respect, and in a similar fashion as the pseudo-creators.

There is one more comment I would like to make before answering your question, Peter. This comment is unrelated to the above discussed topic. It relates to a tendency that some of you show in trying to compare your situation and condition, whatever it may be, with someone else’s. Even if some similarities in such situations and conditions may exist amongst you, they are only superficial and entirely external. There is a certain degree of spiritual danger in trying to seek out such similarities or in making such unnecessary comparisons. Unbeknownst to you, the negative aspect of your human nature may impose on you a desire or a need to be like someone else or to have the same type of experience as some other individuals. By falling into this possible trap, you would deny your own unique, individual and unduplicated nature. In that case, you would fail in your mission to be yourself and to have your own experiences with your own unique manifestation of how such experiences are being handled, expressed, perceived, conceived and interpreted. No one can be like you.

However, let us assume for a moment that two or more individuals have the same type of problems. Let’s say that they have exactly the same type of physical illness, for example, a heart condition or liver cancer. Even though it is the same illness, its cause, course, outcome, and everything related to its condition, as well as how everyone in that condition will react to it, what he/she will experience, feel, think and sense about it, will be infinitely different from anyone else in that condition. And although external physical symptoms may be manifested in a very similar manner, their internal counterparts and each individual’s perception and experience of it, will never be the same. The danger of trying to find a common denominator in them is in the fact that it could lead to the suppression of the need to have one’s own unique experiences in this respect and become a self-fulfilling prophecy through and by the means of expectations to have the same experiences and their outcomes as some other individual’s. That would entirely defeat the proper manifestation of the spiritual reasons which underlie any such condition or situation. Because of that, it would effectively prevent one from learning, as well as providing for everyone, important lessons from having such a condition or being in such a situation.

Or take for example, an attempt to find some similarities between someone who retired from one’s human type of job and someone who is medically disabled to be able to continue in one’s human job. In the case of a retiree, the situation is spiritually and inherently different than in the case of medical and/or mental disability. In the first case, the retired individual fulfilled the purpose for which he/she was engaged in his/her respective job or work or position or whatever. He/she put his/her time into it so that to continue in it would be spiritually unproductive. At the same time, by retiring from it, he/she yielded that position to someone else who may be able to contribute some other important aspects to the nature of that position which were not available or needed at the time when the retiree was in it. On the other hand, the medical and/or mental disability, which is preventing one from being in that position, from the spiritual standpoint signifies inappropriateness and inadequacy of that position for the individual engaged in it because to continue in it would not only lead nowhere but it would be entirely futile, unproductive, dangerous and undermining his/her true and genuine mission to which the previous experience, in that particular position, was preparing the way to experience something totally different; in this case, to experience the physical and/or mental disability and to what it could lead in the life of the individual in question.

However, from our spiritual standpoint, this particular issue is so individualized and personalized that no two cases can ever have anything in common or, at least, can have the same reasons. Only on the external human level such commonalities may appear. But they can be and are, in most instances, misleading. So, don’t fall into this typical human trap. This is just a gentle reminder. I believe, Peter, that your question has some relevance to this particular issue.

Peter: Yes, it does. Actually, when we were walking and talking, I quietly said that, although we know very well that whatever happens in our life, no matter what it is, happens by prior agreement between You and us, and serves some kind of important purpose, nevertheless, we don’t know why it happens. As we were groaning and complaining about our numerous physical aches and pains and various states of our physical discomfort, I was wondering why it was necessary to agree to all of this and why we are unable to get rid of them no matter how much we are asking You, and all present with us, to help us to dispense with all that human nonsense — at least on the physical level (pains, aches, discomforts, illnesses, etc.).

The Lord Jesus Christ: Although there is some relevance between the above mentioned reminder and your question, there is also a considerable difference. In the first instance, we were talking about trying to compare or to find similarities or similar reasons behind conditions that are alike. However, in this instance we are addressing the issue of why such states exist at all.

No simple answer can be offered to this question. Yes, it is true that for some of your own personal and inherently individual reasons, you agreed to go through these kinds of experiences. These personalized and individualized reasons are impossible to reveal because they are solely between Me and you. In this case, each one of you would have to approach Me personally and individually and to ask that question on your own behalf. However, don’t hold your breath. While you are on planet Zero, most aspects of that ‘why’ will not be available to you, first of all, for security reasons, and secondly, and most importantly, for the reasons that their magnitude and significance are of such proportions that your human conscious mind could not accept it or even conceive it. From your typical human standpoint, you would simply reject them as something utterly impossible and inconceivable. If I were to reveal them to you fully, because of your present inability to accept or even to understand them, you would flatly reject them as something that in no way could be true or feasible. In that case, you would instantly become a well-pointed target to the forces of the negative state, and by your rejecting attitude, you would succumb to the negative state, effectively becoming its slave. To prevent you from ending up like that, it was necessary to conceal most of the content of that agreement and why it was so necessary to enter into it under such restrictive conditions in the first place.

You see, Peter, and everyone who reads these words, most aspects of your agreement to experience whatever you have been and will be experiencing during your life on planet Zero, are of such a nature that they cannot be revealed because of the way your human life, and its limitations, is structured and how it is set up. Remember please, the agreement also was not to have this important knowledge available to you while staying on planet Zero in human life. At that time you perfectly understood that human nature was such that it would effectively impede and interfere with your ability to know this ‘why.’ Simply stated, human life and its peculiar and impossible nature, is such that it is incapable of accepting or grasping most of the spiritual reasons existing behind it or for any such states and conditions as reflected in your illnesses, for example, or for whatever you have in all aspects of your typical human life.

However, there are some aspects of it that can be revealed and comprehended even by your typical human mind. One aspect of the issue in question is a clear illustration and demonstration of the nature of human life and of the negative state in itself and by itself. What is it that the products of the negative state, as well as the negative state in itself and by itself, lead to or are capable of exhibiting for the learning of all? That those products and the negative state are nothing but decay, pain, suffering, misery, debilitation, regression, dying and death. If you agreed to enter human life, and if your spirit and soul — your unique individuality — agreed on a temporary basis to experience human life through a typical human body, the product of the negative state, then, obviously, you also agreed to everything that was/is integrally ingrained in such a body — decay, pain, illnesses, sickness, diseases, suffering, misery, debilitation, and dying and death of your physical body. After all, there is no other way to experience human life.

So, if you consider these important factors, then it will become obvious to you why your requests to help you to get rid of such conditions cannot always be answered or offered to you. In this case, such help would be in gross violation of your initial agreement under which you entered human life. In that case, you would fail in your mission. Of course, there are situations that warrant such help and elimination of certain physical conditions which need to happen only on a temporary basis within a specific time frame of your human life experiences because of the need to experience them and to learn from them or to illustrate the coping skills and how they were applied and accomplished. They are needed only for as long as the lessons are being learned or certain other aspects of their nature are fully grasped and understood by all involved with or connected to you. On the other hand, there are some other states and conditions of your physical body that need to run their course, either to the end of your human life on planet Zero or to a certain allotted time until they fulfill their purpose and exhaust their usefulness for which they were allowed to inflict you in the first place. However, whenever you are asking Me, as well as all present with you, for help, we can do only so much as the nature of our mutual agreement and contract allows us to do. But don’t forget one important thing: If it were not for our continuous help and support, you would not be able to endure for a minute anything that is inflicted on you by the nature of your physical body and human life in general and by the conditions of our agreement and contract. So, even in the most debilitating and painful conditions, when your physical and/or mental suffering is the worst possible to imagine, our help and support is the most pronounced and the most obvious, even though when you are in the midst of such a terrible experience, it seems to you that you have been forsaken by Me and by all present — while the exact opposite is true. Otherwise, you would not be able to survive such an ordeal. Remember this fact whenever you are in such a condition or situation!

And finally, there is another aspect to your physical conditions. Each condition illustrates certain different aspects of the nature of the human body and how fragile and limited it is. As you know, one individual is not capable of illustrating or taking in all such aspects. Otherwise he/she could not survive it for a fraction of a second. Therefore, it was necessary to redistribute all these almost infinite varieties of such aspects among many individuals-volunteers and in the process of many, many, many millennia. This is the issue of exposure of the nature of the negative state. The reason why we are saying ‘almost infinite varieties,’ is because the nature of the negative state and human life is exhaustible and therefore, it will reach its end. Thus, not originating in the Absolute State, their nature doesn’t have a prerogative to stay forever. For that reason, it doesn’t have infinite, inexhaustible varieties of the experiences in its nature. In view of these facts, each one of you agreed to experience only as much as you can take in and be able to experience or to endure during your stay on planet Zero in your own specific human physical body. I can assure you personally that nothing more or nothing of a greater degree or intensity was assigned to you than of what you would be capable or would want to experience or to endure. This is what we mutually agreed to. And as you know, such an agreement can never be broken or violated. Does My elaboration on this issue answer your question, Peter?

Peter: Yes, it does. And to tell You the truth, I was suspecting that something like that is behind all of this. Anyway, I thank You very much for Your kindness and willingness to bear with our questions and our, very often, foolish inquisitiveness. Is there anything else today You wish to elaborate upon?

The Lord Jesus Christ: I think we’ve had enough for one day. You are welcome, Peter. And don’t concern yourself with your questions and ‘inquisitiveness’ because, as you know, My willingness to respond is inexhaustible and doesn’t have limits. So, just go right ahead and question and be inquisitive any time that you feel like. In the meantime, have a marvelous time.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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