SIXTY NINTH DIALOGUE

April 17, 1999

Peter: From our conversations yesterday and today, it is obvious to me that the topic which we addressed in the Sixty Eighth Dialog needs to be further discussed and clarified. Am I right?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, you are right. It is not by coincidence that your concerns, expressed in that Dialog, have been intensified at this particular time. The present spiritual situation and climate are such that they require addressing certain ideas and concepts that have relevance to the currently ongoing shift. The nature of this shift requires redefinition of the meaning of some words, concepts and ideas that traditionally, the way you and everyone else have been understanding and conceptualizing them, mean and contain something entirely different than what you are used to.

However, before going into that, let us take up something else first. It will lead us directly into the presently addressed issue. Take for example, your statement in the mentioned Dialog that you committed a spiritual crime by preaching and teaching, in your teens, distortions and falsities in My Name. If you carefully analyze the spiritual situation and climate that existed at that time (almost 50 years ago), did you have any realization at all that any other possible interpretation and understanding of the Biblical statements existed than that with which you were presented and which others taught you during those years? You had no other ideas in your mind. You took it on face value that only one interpretation and understanding — the literal one — was possible and feasible. Nothing else was available to you at that time. So, in view of these facts, what kind of crime were you committing at that time? You did what you thought was right, proper and truthful. Can you be judged, adjudicated and condemned for something about which you had absolutely no idea that it was wrong, distorted or even outrightly false?

It would be a totally different story if you were to fully and completely identify yourself with those distortions and falsities to such an extent that they would be internalized by you and that upon your learning that there is a totally different meaning, or that there are many different meanings, to all those Biblical statements than what you thought, and because of your identification with and internalization of the literal sense only, you would reject them as inappropriate, untrue and false. In that case, failing to amend your ways and changing your attitude and understanding, you would condemn yourself to some form of hellish punishment.

Now, why do I bring this to your attention at this time? First of all, we need to clarify the issue of condemnation and judgment. If someone labors under the impression that his/her understanding of something is right, proper and correct, and if there is no other possibility or availability of any other ways to understand it or conceptualize it, then such an individual cannot be judged or condemned for it. However, if upon presentation of a different, more appropriate understanding of the same thing offered to him/her and he/she, based on the new available information, accepts it and consequently rejects his/her previous view and understanding, then that individual establishes a progressive mode of his/her life and reflects the reality of the life in the positive state. On the other hand, should he/she reject this new information and cling to his/her old mode of understanding and conceptualization, in that case he/she sets himself/herself up for judgment and condemnation.

However, there is another aspect to this issue. Any current understanding and conceptualization of any concepts, ideas, words, lifestyle or whatever you have, provided that nothing else was available or offered at that particular time, signifies only one thing: That the currently existing spiritual situation and climate require and are capable of having only this type of understanding and conceptualization and no other. Anything more or different, under those kinds of spiritual conditions, would be incongruent to them. And not only that, but it would be dangerous to everyone’s spiritual health.

Based on these factors, it is obvious that each particular time in the history of My Creation and pseudo-creation has its own understanding of anything at all, congruent to the nature, needs and the level of the current spiritual awareness that it has. As time goes by, and as different aspects of My Nature are being conveyed to the rest of all sentient entities, a different meaning and understanding of the same concepts, ideas, words or whatever you have, are triggered and placed into their minds for the purpose of choices that they have to make: Either to transcend their understanding, conceptualization and, based on them, their lifestyle, concepts, ideas, words and everything else previously held by them, or to reject them and keep clinging to the old ones which outlived their purpose and exhausted their usefulness. If the choice is for their transcendence, then a new lifestyle is established which reflects the nature of the positive state in its continuous progressive, onward movement and mode. However, if the choice is to reject them and instead to cling to the old ones, then the reaffirmation of the lifestyle of the negative state and human life occurs, giving them a new surge of energy and impetus to continue in their stagnant and unproductive nature.

Very often, if not always, the previously held understanding and conceptualization of concepts, ideas, words or whatever you have, contradict their incoming new and different understanding and conceptualization. This is the reason why it was stated so many times in My New Revelation that what was proper, right and correct yesterday or before, might not be so today; and what is proper, correct and right today might not be so tomorrow. A tendency exists on your part to forget this important statement and reminder and for that reason, you often question the validity either of that which was stated during the previous times or of that which is being offered to you at this time. You may see it as a contradiction instead of as a transcendence of something which was needed and proper at that time but which is no longer in that position at this time. Or your interpretation of certain events or phenomena at that time, which were proper and needed to be understood exactly the way you interpreted them, have a totally different meaning and interpretation at this time.

Don’t forget one crucial and important thing in this respect. When you were in the role of My agents on planet Zero, your understanding and interpretation of all things, events and phenomena were, in most instances, from the position of the negative state and your specific human life, as well as from the level of your own personalized and individualized needs congruent to that role. As you are being placed in the midst of the positive state, becoming My true representatives, your spiritual awareness of all and everything is being shifted to a totally different level. That level requires triggering of a new, higher, more appropriate understanding and conceptualization of everything that you have so far known and understood. Because of that, a different meaning, more congruent to the current spiritual condition and climate, is being offered to you and brought to your attention. By this factor, you are being put in a condition to make an important choice of your life — to transcend the old meaning and accept the new one or to reject it and cling to the old one. Either choice will result in its own consequences.

Let Me give you a few examples. At the time when you were writing Messages from Within, Peter, a certain very rare astronomical phenomenon was taking place. During that time, that phenomenon repeated itself three times. Obviously, with such a rare phenomenon some feasible and understandable interpretation was needed to be made. As you know, from your prior astrological studies and knowledge, in the far past that phenomenon was equated with My birth on planet Zero. This is how the wise men of the East, based on their astrological studies, determined that an important King was being born. So, naturally, you, Peter, assumed that because of that important factor, the same phenomenon occurring at the time of your writing of the mentioned book, would result in a physical birth of three important people who will be instrumental in changing human life from its negative connotation to a positive one.

The spiritual situation on planet Zero and elsewhere at that time was such that it didn’t allow any other interpretation and understanding of that phenomenon than what you thought or understood about it. Your astrological training was somewhat clouded the way you looked at it and the way you interpreted it. However, this was what was needed at that time because neither you nor everyone else anywhere was ready to know more about it or to perceive it at a higher spiritual level. So, because of that, it was permitted for you, for the time being, to conceptualize that phenomenon the way it is described in Messages from Within. However, the presently existing level of your spiritual awareness, as well as everyone else’s who reads these words, requires a transcendence of how the discussed phenomenon should be understood and interpreted. At that time, it was still taken much too literally and not spiritually.

Was anyone and/or anything born during the occurrence of that phenomenon (the precise, unusual and very rare conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn which takes place once in several thousand years in that kind of configuration)? Yes, there were. But not necessarily on planet Zero. Two events occurred during that time. Three sentient entities were born in other dimensions whose births were initiated from something that was going on in My Nature as I was in the final phase of completion of the acquirement of My New Nature. Because the major catalyst of this acquirement was My former Human Nature, the nature of the mentioned three sentient entities was formed in such a manner that it would reflect the process of changes in My Nature and, at the same time, that it would reflect the need to set up a very specific condition for the future salvation of humans on planet Zero and for the future elimination of the negative state.

Now, in your conceptualization and understanding of that phenomenon, because, by your intuition, Peter, you correctly perceived that somehow it had a very important relevance to human life, you concluded that those beings would be physically born on planet Zero as typical humans; while the reality of that situation now indicates that the births occurred somewhere else but with a special important relevance to the human destiny. Looking at that event from this kind of perspective, was your understanding and interpretation of it incorrect, Peter? Yes and no. Yes, it was incorrect because, in actuality, no such physical humans were born. No, it was correct because someone was born with a direct relevance to the human destiny. However, the spiritual level of that time was such that it required some degree of the literal interpretation to occur because not all spiritual factors were in place that would allow any other, more appropriate one to be revealed or to have.

However, the most important aspects of this phenomenon were not reflected in the birth of the mentioned three individuals but in the birth of three spiritual ideas that were about to be released to the entirety of My Creation and to the pseudo-creation. These ideas relate directly to Me and My Nature. After all, even from a typical astrological standpoint, which you, Peter, correctly rejected from your life, the discussed phenomenon related somehow directly to Me. Therefore, its major interpretation and understanding should have relevance only to Me. But because whatever happens in Me in an absolute sense has, in some way or other, an impact on everyone and everything else, no matter where or when, it also produces consequent events in all relatives in their own relative conditions. So, if some ideas are being born in or being released from My Absolute Nature, then they always result in the birth of someone and/or something new that had not been in being and existence before. Hence, the birth of the three mentioned individuals.

What were the important three ideas that were being born and/or released at that time? The first idea was that My Nature is in the process of being changed in an absolute sense, resulting in a totally New Nature that had not been conceivable at any time before. The second idea was that, as a result of My New Nature, a new creation is being created that will fully reflect and contain in its relative condition My Absolutely New Absolute Nature. And the third idea being revealed was that the negative state and human life in its negative state are not forever and that everyone participating in those two forms of life are in them on a voluntary basis and that therefore, everyone, no matter who, will be saved and returned to the positive state. The point to realize here is that no one had known until that time that the negative state was not forever, and that everyone in it would be saved and returned to the positive state. The logic of that incorrect perception was in the fact that if the negative state has to stay forever then, obviously, everyone else, situated in that pseudo-life, has to stay in it forever likewise.

To make such an important revelation before that time and to tell everyone about these three ideas, before the actual completion of all proper spiritual factors, and before My New Nature was established, would not be feasible or appropriate because no one could understand what I was talking about. Taking into consideration everyone’s spiritual state and condition at that time, which derived from My Old Nature, such revelation would be rejected, thus endangering everyone’s spiritual life. Before the full understanding and impact of those three ideas could reach everyone’s mind, those minds needed to be transformed and brought into full alignment with My New Nature. How could such things have been done if My New Nature had not yet been fully established? Only at this time, during the currently ongoing shift, the full revelation about these facts could be finally revealed and explained.

Let us take another example for the need to have a different understanding of some words, ideas and concepts as congruent to different times and spiritual conditions and requirements. Let us discuss two such concepts — ‘father/mother’ and ‘marriages.’ How do you conceptualize and understand the word ‘father’ for example? In your human life, you equate it, first of all, with a typical masculine gender. You have no other view and understanding than that your father is a male. Why is it so? And this bring us to the topics discussed in the Sixty Eighth Dialog. As you remember, in order to activate the negative state, it was necessary to split feminine from masculine and masculine from feminine; or, in other words, love from wisdom, wisdom from love; good from truth and truth from good; and positive works from faith and faith from positive works. Once this impossible feat was accomplished, based on that pseudo-principle, human life was fabricated. So, how can you come to this world, into human life, in order to be able to survive here? By splitting yourself from your femininity — if you are born as a male; or from your masculinity — if you are born as a female (of course, by your own choice and for some of your own important spiritual reasons why you chose to be born as a male or as a female).

In view of these conditions, you see and perceive your father as a male and your mother as a female, and yourself personally as a female if you are a woman or as a male if you are a man. Somehow, during your physical birth, you split yourself from your own counterpart. Because of this split, you are unable to conceptualize your gender in any other way. In My own particular case, because no other possible way existed to enter human life by the means of the physical birth but only through this split, I had to split Myself from My Essence, which was of the Absolute Feminine Nature, and to appear on planet Zero as a Human Male. Because of that split and separation from My Essence, I had no recourse but to relate to It as to Someone Who Was separated from Me — which was the case until that split and separation were eliminated and I, as a Human Male, was reintegrated, reunited and reconnected to My Essence.

At that time, because of the existing spiritual situation everywhere, I called that Essence ‘Father.’ But what does the word ‘Father’ in My conceptualization really mean? The first impression that you all had was that My Father was a Man, of masculine gender. Because of the mentioned split and separation, no other perception and understanding of the word “Father” was available to anyone anywhere. But does the word ‘Father,’ in its true essence and substance, as well as the word ‘mother,’ in its true essence and substance, really mean or are equated with the masculine or feminine gender, respectively? From the observable external position, because to those terms are assigned certain gender types of characteristics, your expectations and habits in this respect put you in no other position but to consider them in such terms. Why would I call My Essence ‘Father,’ from which I split and separated in order to enter human life, if I took a male form while on planet Zero, and which Essence is basically equated with the feminine principle? Because in My conceptualization of the concept ‘Father,’ nothing is contained related to any specific gender characteristics on one hand and, on the other hand, at that time, under those spiritual conditions, that word signified the Absolute Good which takes care of the life of everyone everywhere and which gives birth to Creation. In other words, I descended from My Good, or from the goodness of My heart, and I entered human life in order to establish in humans a condition which would enable them to be saved from their human life. Thus, I separated from My Good-Love and brought the Truth to the place where no truth existed any longer. Because this Truth derives from the masculine aspects of My Nature, logically, I had to appear as a human male in order to reflect this condition.

Another reason for this necessary choice was that only Truth is able to combat evils and falsities. Good-Love does not combat anyone or anything. It accepts things as they are. If I were to appear as a female, because such appearance would be from the feminine aspects of My Nature, I would simply accept things in human life, and in the negative state in general, as they were, without any attempt to change anything. In that case, the negative state and human life would have to stay forever and no possibility would exist for anyone in the positive state to establish their life in its fullness and completeness.

Thus, in My conceptualization of the word ‘Father,’ its meaning relates to the factor of parenthood and not to something which is of purely masculine principle. As you know, the term ‘parenthood’ contains equally both feminine and masculine principles, or fatherhood and motherhood. However, in order to accommodate to the then existing spiritual situation, and to yield to the lifestyle of humans and all others in the negative state, founded on the split and separation of those two principles, and because of the familiarity which those two concepts provided for them, I had no recourse but to speak from that particular position. If I were to speak in terms that would really reflect their true and genuine meaning, they would not be able to understand them and, because of that, they would reject anything I was saying to them. In that case they would eternally block themselves from being saved. Can you imagine the consequences of that if this were to be the case?

However, in the process of spiritual development and progression, as one step, epoch, condition, state and time succeeds another, gradually and slowly, you upgrade and update the conceptualization and understanding of all such terms, bringing them closer and closer to their true and multiple meaning. It is not that much that their meaning wasn’t true before, as that they had multiple meanings. In the various spiritual conditions, only those meanings are triggered which are congruent to the nature and needs of each particular spiritual condition and state.

At this time, during the current spiritual condition, and during the currently ongoing shift, the new meanings of all such terms are being triggered and made available to you. One of the most important functions of these Dialogs, is to explain these facts and give you an opportunity to familiarize yourself with this new meaning. So, don’t be surprised if whatever is being conveyed to you in these Dialogs will refute and replace completely your former understanding and application of all such terms, concepts, ideas and words. This is an integral part of your spiritual training, growth and progression in your new role as My true representatives.

Now, from what I said so far, it is obvious that I and My so-called Father are not two, or three or more persons, but One and the only One. The Christian conceptualization of My True Nature, as well as some other religions, stems from an external observation of the setup of human lifestyle. It is a form of projection on their part. If human males and females, and their children, are two or three or several, and if they are separated and isolated from each other, and if they are distinctly different individuals, then the nature of God must have the same setup. In that case, there is a Father-God, in His masculine, He-man appearance, Mother-God in Her feminine, She-woman appearance, and possibly there are other gods representing some other aspects of being and existence. While the fact is that all those so-called gods are various aspects and characteristics of the same Absolutely One Absolute and the Only One Individual. Humans improperly derive the understanding of such concepts from their own false and temporary condition — the condition of the split and separation from their own masculinity or femininity, respectively.

And yet, some of you, who have an access to the state of your internals and thus, to the other dimensions, are sometimes confused to see or hear someone there who claims to be you in either feminine aspects or masculine aspects or both. This is a reflection of your separation and isolation from them which enabled you to enter your human life on planet Zero. It is as if you left behind your femininity if you are a male or your masculinity if you are a female. But does it mean that you are two or more individuals at the same time and not one and the same? Of course, it does not. After all, your nature, in its original and genuine state, and in its relative condition, reflects My Absolute Nature which is One and Indivisible.

Due to the fact of your isolation and separation from the state of your own integration, unity and oneness, you experience a constant desire to reunite, reconnect and integrate yourself with your wholeness and completeness. This desire is reflected in your need to be with someone who is of the opposite gender. They remind you of your previous state and condition in which you were before your incarnation on planet Zero.

This is how the concept of marriages came into its own human life. Noticing the need for this reintegration, reunification and reconnection with their original nature, the pseudo-creators came up with the replacement of this need in the form of external types of marriages in which a male is united to a female and a female to a male. However, even in this condition, its temporality and transience is obvious from the fact that it is bound only ‘until death do us part.’ Do you see the true meaning of such unions from this statement? This is the reason why I said during My life on planet Zero that in the heavens they neither marry nor are given into marriages but are as My angels. What is it to be like My angels? It is to be in the state of unification, integration and oneness of all feminine and masculine principles in each one individual. In that sense, you can say in your own familiar-to-you words that they internally and individually are married within themselves.

However, the word ‘marriage,’ from the position of the nature of the current spiritual state and development, which transcends any previous ones, is no longer tenable or suitable to use for the purpose of describing such unification, integration and oneness. It still gives you the impression that there are, somewhere out there, two individuals, who will merge into one individual, and in the process, they will lose their unique individualities and their unique natures. Such a case is impossible to envision. It would equal the destruction of both of them, leading to the impossible scenario of cessation of the unique life which I Personally imparted on them. To do that, in some sense, would mean that I relinquished My own life which I placed in those two individuals.

Until now, for the purpose of giving you some comfortable and familiar grounds in this respect, such terms were proper to use in order to implant into you some ideas of the concepts of unification, integration and oneness and what they mean and signify. The word and the state of ‘marriage’ served that purpose well. Therefore, it was permitted to be used and even required up to this point. This is the reason why it was also used in the previous books of My New Revelation.

However, these are entirely different times. We are far away from all other times and we are in a totally different mode and style of life. In your particular cases, as My true representatives, you are being trained to approach all spiritual concepts, words, ideas and your life in general in a way more congruent with the true spiritual positive state’s way. Therefore, if you hear in your state of inwardness something like, ‘beyond time, beyond space, the promise was made,’ it signifies the promise of freeing you from the state and condition of your current separation, isolation and split from your femininity or masculinity, respectively, and reintegrating, reunifying and reconnecting you in such a way as it is understood, conceptualized and is, in the positive state; and the way it is in My Own New Nature.

Well, I believe we should finish for today. There is enough food for thought for all of you contained in this Dialog and therefore, the suggestion is to close for now. Go into the sun and have a healing time for your physical pains, Peter.

Peter: Thank You very much. I’ll take Your timely advice.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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