To read aloud
SEVENTY THIRD DIALOGUE
April 25, 1999
Peter: One Biblical issue, which describes the event of Your
transfiguration, has been coming to my mind recently. Taking into
consideration that nothing is by coincidence, I assume that You would
like to address this issue. Am I right? Of course, as always, I am asking if
You have anything to add first, before going into this subject.
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are very right, Peter. Certain aspects of
the currently ongoing shift require that the issue of My transfiguration
be brought to your attention and the attention of all readers of these
Dialogs now. However, before going into this issue, with your kind
permission, Peter, I would like to have a little, as well as a somewhat
brief, philosophical discussion. This discussion relates to the
interrelatedness of unconditional love and wisdom and their various
attributes. For the purpose of our discussion we will mention the ones
which were taken up in our previous Dialogs. They are: mercy,
compassion, empathy, understanding, acceptance, forgiveness,
objectivity, righteousness, justice and judgment.
Philosophically and spiritually speaking, these attributes can be paired
off in the following way: mercy-understanding-objectivity; compassion-
acceptance-righteousness; and empathy-forgiveness-judgment. At the
same time, you can conceptualize them in the following manner: Mercy,
compassion, empathy, objectivity and justice are of the femininity, the
nature of which is founded on unconditional love, goodness and positive
works; and understanding, acceptance, forgiveness, righteousness and
judgment are of the masculinity, the nature of which is founded on
unconditional wisdom, truth and faith.
The interrelatedness of these attributes and their simultaneous function
is obvious from this logical construct. Without properly understanding
any situation, you are unable to be objective and therefore, merciful. At
the same time, you cannot be understanding and objective unless you
are, at the same time, merciful. Your objectivity cannot come to its life
without understanding and a sense of mercy. You cannot be
compassionate without accepting any situation on its merit and without
being righteous about it. You cannot accept things without having
compassion for them and having a righteous attitude toward them. You
cannot sense the righteousness of any situation without accepting it and
having compassion for it. You are unable to experience true empathy
without having some sense and need for forgiveness and without being
able to properly judge the meaning of any situation. You are unable to
forgive without having empathy and without properly judging the
situation. You cannot properly judge the meaning of any situation unless
you are willing to forgive and have empathy.
As you see from these logical constructs the relatedness of these
attributes is such that they are all at the level of simultaneous and
synchronous sending and receiving and receiving and sending. It is not
as if one is the active sender and the other one is a passive receiver; or as
if one is a passive sender and the other a passive receiver. And because
we are ultimately talking here about integration, unification and oneness
of love and wisdom, good and truth and positive works and faith, and
even in a more ultimate sense, about oneness, integration and unity of
masculinity and femininity, as well as femininity and masculinity, it is
very obvious that both and all of them are in a state of simultaneous and
synchronous active sending and active receiving as well as in an active
receiving and active sending. So, in all these cases, it is always a two-way
street, so-to-speak. In this type of interrelatedness, no such states exist
which could be considered being in a passive mode. They are all active
and they all have the same dynamic, progressive, and interactive nature.
If you look carefully at this description, from it you will be able to deduce
a very important conclusion: It vividly describes the nature and the life
of the positive state. Thus, as you see from this fact, the positive state
doesn’t contain anything even remotely resembling a passive state or a
state in which one is actively sending and the other one is passively
receiving. At each and every time they are both actively sending and
actively receiving as well as actively receiving and actively sending. Why
do we repeat this combination also in the opposite direction? Because
both situations have an equal involvement. Thus, it is not only an active
sending and an active receiving but, at the very same time, the one who
is sending is also receiving and the one who is receiving is also sending.
In this respect their equalization is absolute.
This is how all principles of masculinity and femininity and femininity
and masculinity are established and manifested in the positive state.
They are in a state and process of absolute equalization at all times and
under all conditions. From these facts you may clearly conclude that
under this condition, when the nature of all principles is in the state of
their absolute equalization, nothing of a negative nature can be
conceived or established.
In order to activate the pseudo-life of the negative state and put it in the
state of dominance, it was necessary to recede from this arrangement.
How do you go about doing so? If the nature of the positive state is rooted
in this absolute equalization and simultaneous active and progressive
mode of its life, then you have to come up with something or with some
ways to nullify this equalization and simultaneous and synchronous
active and progressive mode of its life. By the logical analysis of these
aspects of the nature of the positive state, you come to the discovery of
the concepts of opposites, splits, disunion, isolation, separation,
subservience and non-equalization. Originally, such concepts as these
had not been known to anyone in being and existence. First, they needed
to be deduced before they could be implemented.
However, in order to be able to make such a deduction, a different
approach toward acquirement of knowledge needed to be discovered and
implemented. Up to that point, all knowledge had been coming from
everyone’s within without any consideration or possibility of its coming
from without. The problem with acquiring any knowledge from within is
in the fact that because I was in the state of everyone’s within, such
knowledge always derived from Me directly. From this position nothing
of the negative nature could be conceived or thought of or lead to the
discovery of any other methods which would enable anyone to ask the
existential question about any other life other than the life of the positive
state.
So, the first step in this process was to turn away from the state of that
within. In the moment such dissension happened, and any knowledge
began to be sought in the without, the scientific methods of exploration,
generalization and conclusions were born and the concepts of the
opposites, splits, disunion, isolation, separation, subservience and non-
equalization were discovered. Once these terms were discovered in the
now pseudo-logical constructs of the pseudo-creators’ minds, the next
step was to experiment with these terms in order to find a way for
establishment of a lifestyle which would be founded on them. In the
process of this pseudo-endeavor, after a long period of time, it was
concluded that if all the positive counterparts of these concepts — the
absolute equalization, unity, oneness, harmony and integration —
underlie the life of the positive state and if they are reflected in the state
and process of masculinity and femininity and femininity and
masculinity, then, in order to make the negative counterpart of these
terms — opposites, splits, disunion, isolation, separation, subservience
and non-equalization — functional and real, giving them some kind of
semblance of life, and establishing them apart from the life of the
positive state, it would be necessary to first deal with masculinity and
femininity and their unification, oneness, integration and absolute
equalization. In order to do that, it was necessary to first discover a
special type of method that would enable them to destroy the state and
condition of femininity and masculinity, under which they functioned
and operated in the positive state.
Such a method was found in the spiritual laws of correspondences and
the genetic code of those sentient entities who occupied the natural
dimension of My Creation. In the process of experimentation with their
own physical bodies (at that point in time they occupied the physical
dimension and had so-called physical bodies) and the physical bodies of
other inhabitants of the physical dimension, they were able to discover
those genes and their spiritual counterparts or correspondences which
were responsible for the state of unification, oneness, integration and
equalization of masculinity and femininity and femininity and
masculinity and their simultaneous and synchronous function in the
process of their active sending and active receiving and their active
receiving and active sending.
As you remember, it took the pseudo-creators a very, very long time, in
your conceptualization of time, before they were able to come up with the
solution that would lead them toward the accomplishment of this most
difficult goal. By various combinations, splits, dissections and re-
combinations of these or those genes, and all their spiritual
correspondences, they finally were able to find the most appropriate
combination that resulted in the establishment of a life form which fully
adhered to the pseudo-principles of split, disunion, separation, isolation,
non-equalization, passivity, subservience and similar characteristics, not
found in any aspects of life in the positive state. By putting these
conditions in an active mode, the pseudo-life of the negative state was on
its way to demonstrate and illustrate life built on and rooted in some
other principles other than the true principles of the positive state.
This is how the negative state came about. You can consider this brief
discourse as a lesson in the genesis of the negative state and in all forms
of its pseudo-life. And now we can close this philosophical detour and
begin addressing the issue of My transfiguration which has been on your
mind, Peter.
Peter: Thank You very much for this beautiful and enlightening
philosophical discourse. I enjoyed it very much. The event of Your
transfiguration is recorded in three Gospels. It is in Matthew 17:1-9;
Mark 9:2-8; and Luke 9:28-36. Which version would You like to take up?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Although there are some small differences in
these versions’ timing, they all reflect the fact of My transfiguration.
However, the most comprehensive and the most accurate description of
that event was recorded by Luke. For that reason, let us take Luke’s
version, beginning with the first to the last verse.
Verse 28: And it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings (in
Matthew and Mark it is after six days), that He took Peter, John, and
James and went up on the mountain to pray. Here you see the above
mentioned discrepancies in timing. Matthew and Mark talk about six
days while Luke indicates that it happened after eight days. Number six
in this particular connotation signifies before completeness of a certain
important spiritual state. As you remember from the first chapter of the
book of Genesis in the Bible, the so-called creation was finished on the
sixth day after which came the state of rest, or the state of completion of
one creative effort before the beginning of the next creative effort. Thus,
in this sense ‘six’ signifies before the fullness and completeness of life of
the positive state could be established, indicated here by the seventh day
of rest. ‘Seven’ means the completeness and fullness of life of the positive
state, as reflected in My statement, recorded in the Apocalypse, ‘It is
done!’ (Revelation 21:6). On the other hand, ‘eight’ means after the
completion of this phase. In this particular connotation, the words ‘about
eight days after’ signify after a very important spiritual condition was
established in all involved dimensions and their worlds which made it
possible for Me to proceed with the event of My transfiguration. That I
took with Me Peter, John and James denotes the fact that any such event
can be initiated only from the position of integration, unification and
oneness of all principles of Love and Goodness (John); Wisdom and Truth
(Peter) and Positive Works and Faith (James). Only from this position
can My True Nature be experienced apart from its physical human
nature. That I took them on a high mountain (Matthew and Mark
recorded the word ‘high’ whereas Luke omits the word ‘high’), denotes
taking them to the very core of the positive state, signified here by the
word ‘mountain.’ In proximity to everything else, a mountain is always
high. So, this word in itself implies its high elevation. It denotes the fact
that My positive state is above all and everything. That I went there to
pray signifies My state of meditation and shift from a typical human
state of externals to the proper spiritual state of internals (prayer). Only
in this state can anything spiritual and true be discerned and
understood. No other state is conducive to any such perception and
understanding.
Verse 29: And as He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and
His robe became white and glistening. In the process of the shift to the
internals, and in the process of establishment of the state of integration
of all aspects of My Nature (the process of praying), My True and
Genuine Nature is manifested, anchored in the State of My Absolute
Innocence and My Absolute Positiveness, free of any contamination,
pollution and poison of anything from the negative state and from the
negative aspects of human nature (appearance of My face was altered
and My robe became white and glistening).
Verse 30-31: Then behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and
Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of His decease which He was
about to accomplish at Jerusalem. Talking with two men signifies
expressing all things from the position of proper understanding of
everything from the position of a lawful arrangement of all aspects of the
positive state, as well as of the negative state, for the purpose of
accomplishing one of the most important steps in the process of salvation
of all from the negative state and for building a firm foundation on which
the negative state’s elimination will be possible. Moses was representing
all the laws and principles that could not be fulfilled by anyone on planet
Zero or in the negative state. All these laws were not only not fulfilled
but they were completely broken and violated. Elijah was representing
the fulfillment of all prophecies regarding the ways of how all these
things could be accomplished and established. From that position, the
three of us were discussing all aspects of My Divine Destiny and how no
other possibilities existed for the accomplishment of My goals but only
through the experience of the death of My physical body by means of
crucifixion and by entering all the Hells in general, and the Hells of the
pseudo-creators in particular, and by locking them up for a long period of
time. We were also discussing the outcome of all these events and how it
will contribute to the total elimination of the negative state and
activation of the fullness and completeness of life in the positive state.
That Moses and Elijah appeared in their glory signifies in the state of
their true nature - without any signs of anything typically human in the
negative aspects of its nature. ‘To be in one’s glory’ means to be in total
freedom and independence from anything evil, false and negative and
thus, to be in one’s true nature.
Verse 32: But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when
they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood
with Him. Being in heavy sleep means to be in the deep state of
inwardness. In your old terms, Peter, it means to be in a deep hypnotic
trance (plenary state). Only in such a state could they transcend their
human limitations and external impositions and wake up in a state of
higher awareness and ability to see things in their true essence and
substance. Being in deep sleep and from that condition to wake up, does
not mean literally waking up, but transcendence into the state beyond
and above sleep. This was known in your professional circles, Peter, as a
plenary state of hypnosis. So, in this particular case, Peter, John and
James were put into the deepest state of their within from which state
they were awakened into the plenary state, the state that integrates
everything of which they consisted in the totality of their unique
personalities and individualities. Only in such a state could they discern
My True Nature and the true nature of those present with Me (Moses
and Elijah), denoted here by their glory.
Verse 33: And it happened, as they were parting from Him, that Peter
said to Jesus, “Master, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three
tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah” — not
knowing what he said. The process of those two parting from Me, for
Peter and the other two was the process of returning into their previous
external human condition. In this condition they are confused and don’t
know what is going on with the exception that somehow they sense that
it is the state to be in for eternity because it is the most beautiful and the
most desirable state to be in. For that reason, from the position of the
truth of the matter, represented here by Peter, he wants to establish a
condition which would enable them to stay in that state indefinitely
without having any conscious knowledge of what it is that they desire or
wish. It is in this transitional state in which the next event happens, as
depicted in verses 34-36.
Verses 34-36: While he was saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed
them; and they were fearful as they entered the cloud. Then a voice came
out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him.” And when
the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone. Because now, as Peter was
talking, they were in a transitional phase from the state of their
integrated inwardness to their typical and usual external human state;
in that phase everything appears confusing, intangible, clouded and
obscure. The experience of this nature raises the emotion of fear. This is
a state of ignorance and obscurity in which nothing is clear. In it a
separation is perceived between something which is impossible to
understand and discern in itself and by itself and something which is
physically real and tangible. To hear a voice in this state means to have
some obscure awareness that there is more to all of this than what they
can grasp and understand by their human mind and that it is the
originating source of that which they can grasp and understand. In this
case, My physical aspects, as a human being, are understandable and
discernable. On the other hand, My origin is not. Therefore, that origin is
perceived as the voice of My Father, who acknowledges Me as His
Beloved Son Whom they should hear, listen to and follow. The spiritual
indication of this request — to hear Me, or to follow Me — is indicative of
the fact that I as the Beloved Son of the One in the Cloud, Am the only
One Who can provide you with anything that you need in all aspects of
your life. And because no one else exists who can do so, the logic of this
fact leads you to the conclusion that I am the Only True God, Who,
temporarily and for the time being, chose to separate Myself from My
Divine Essence and combine certain of My elements with some human
aspects in order to become a typical human. And this is one aspect of the
event of My transfiguration that can be revealed at this time.
The relevance of this event for you and for these times is contained in the
emphasis on the fact that you need to constantly keep in your mind how
important it is to see things behind the scene and not at the scene; and
how important it is to be in the state of integrated inwardness with the
conscious awareness of that state. Only in this type of state are you able
to discern and to understand all things in clarity of their essence and
substance without any distortions and falsifications so typical of human
nature. That way, you will truly become My true representatives. And
this is all that I wanted to convey to you today. Have a very spiritually
profitable day.
Peter: Thank You very much for this reminder and for everything.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
