To read aloud
SEVENTY EIGHTH DIALOGUE
May 5, 1999
Peter: Today I would like to present to You, two questions. Of course,
before I to do that, I am asking if You would like to talk first.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking. I suggest that, at
this time, we reverse the process. First, present your questions, and after
I answer them, if we have time and if needed, I will offer something from
My own position. So, go ahead, Peter, and ask your questions.
Peter: My two questions might be somewhat related. The first question
relates to the striking differences in the content of the Four Gospels, the
way they portray Your life on planet Zero, what You did and what You
said and how You did whatever You did and how You said whatever You
said. This difference is especially striking between the Gospel According
to John, and Matthew’s, Luke’s and Mark’s, although there are
considerable differences among the rest of them likewise. As you know,
the so-called Fathers of the Christian Church, in the old times, only
reluctantly included into the Authorized Version of the Holy Bible the
Gospel According to John. Its style and wording reminded them too much
of the then popular Greek philosophical ideas and concepts. The Greek
philosophy was much too gentile for their Christian taste. As if non-
Christian philosophers couldn’t say anything truthful. My second
question relates to Your statement, as recorded in Luke 8:10, and to Your
quote of the prophet Isaiah (6:9). Let me repeat that verse: ‘To you it has
been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it
is given in parables, that “Seeing they may not see, and hearing
they may not understand.” Could you shed some light on these two
issues?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Gladly, Peter. Let us first take up your first
question. There are very important spiritual reasons why only Four
Gospels were included in the Authorized Version of the Christian Bible
despite the fact that many other versions existed. These other versions,
especially the so-called Gnostic ones, were rightly rejected by the Fathers
of the original Christian Church. They contained too many falsities and
distortions about Me and My life on planet Zero. It was solely by My
Divine Providence that the mentioned Four Gospels were recorded,
preserved and included in the Christian Bible. These Four Gospels
represent four different platforms or positions or stances or points of
view from which My life and My deeds and what I said are being
described and conceptualized. Because these are totally different views
and positions, they reflect these differences in their style and what they
tend to emphasize or prefer to include in their text.
In a general sense, from the standpoint of spiritual correspondences, you
can conceptualize these differences in the following manner: John’s
position is from the East; Matthew’s position is from the South; Luke’s
position is from the West; and Mark’s position is from the North.
However, the way you have to understand this statement is not in a
typical geographical designation of these terms — east, south, west and
north — as related to the position of any place on your planet toward its
sun. It is to what these terms spiritually correspond that counts. So, in
this particular case, and only in this particular case, to what do they
correspond? East corresponds to My Absolute Essence and its Absolute
Unconditional Divine Love as the source and the originator of any life.
This is the beginning of and rise to everyone and everything. South
corresponds to My Absolute Substance and its Absolute Wisdom as the
builder and activator of the firm and eternal foundation on which My
Life is manifested and, stemming from It, My Creation could occur,
proceed and become the true reality. West corresponds to My Absolute
Goodness and, stemming from it, all My deeds and works that I
unceasingly perform for the purpose of maintenance of My Creation in
the most optimal and useful condition. North corresponds to My Absolute
Truth and Faith and proper understanding of all events from all aspects
and positions of their manifestation, application and implementation
from the most within all the way to the most without, so that everything
is included and nothing is left out.
This is the way you have to look at the meaning of the Four Gospels.
Because of this important spiritual designation, it was provided that only
these particular Gospels, and no others, were included in the Bible. Only
these four most important positions could provide the proper description
of My life and My deeds on planet Zero without distorting or
misinterpreting anything related to them. All other positions, although
they do contain some aspects of the truth about Me and My activities at
that time, their nature is such that it perceives and interprets everything
in a distorted, skewed and even falsified manner.
So, why is it that the Gospel According to John is so much different from
the other three? If you look from what position it approaches My Life and
My Nature, you can clearly see that it derives everything from My
Essence, designated as My Father Who is the origin of all and
everything. It is the beginning of all. Take for example, the very first
verse of the very first chapter of John. How does it begin? ‘In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God.’ These words contain a profound mystical significance. It points out
the fact that Creation is the Idea-Word of the Creator, Who is contained
in that Word and Who is that Word. Logically speaking, if you are
contained in something, you are that something. But it also means an
unceasing activity because Word means Verb (in Latin Verbum) and verb
always relates to something active. Even in the case when you are
resting, a seemingly passive state, your rest is an active projection of
your mind to be in a restful position. So, in essence, there is no such
thing as being passive or doing nothing because doing nothing is, once
again, an active projection of your mind or desire to do nothing — which
is an active process.
However, the other mystical meaning of the ‘Word’ is the Truth. The
Truth is the Word and the Word is the Truth. By the means of Truth
from its Wisdom, I gave the beginning or birth to everyone and
everything. Thus, in the beginning was the Word, meaning an Idea of My
Creation and all its sentient entities. And because, somewhere along the
line of being and existence of My Creation, a certain number of sentient
entities decided to separate themselves from My Creation, thus, violating
the Truth or the Word or The Idea; in order to preserve the integrity of
My Creation, and set up a proper condition for their return to Me, when
the time is right, I sent My Word into their world, making it flesh in
order to restore the Truth by My Word where no Truth any longer
existed.
As you see from this description, John’s Gospel indicates something that
was clearly stated later on in My New Revelation, that My Truth was
separated from My Essence-Father and incarnated on planet Zero into
the human life in order to establish for humans the proper conditions for
their salvation from all falsities and distortions in which they live. Why
was it that the Truth-Word-Idea-Light incarnated on planet Zero into the
negative state? If you live in falsities and distortions, from that position
it is impossible to save you because they are the source of your pseudo-
life. Having no other knowledge and understanding, you simply identify
yourself with your falsities and distortions, considering them to be the
only truth. In such a condition, My Presence in My Truth-Word-Idea-
Light is completely lacking. The lack of My Presence locks them in their
adverse condition and gives them no choice in the matter but to consider
their state as the only one feasible and possible, and their falsities and
distortions as the only real Truth.
In this case, your first effort is to bring the Light into their condition
which exposes their falsities and distortions, and implants into them My
Word-Truth-Idea-Light, giving them an option to recognize the falsity
and distortion of their condition and, based on that, providing them with
the realistic possibility of coming out of that condition and accepting the
real Truth-Me into their life, thus, turning their pseudo-life, considered
by them to be a real life, into the real life.
However, from what direction and source, and by what effort is that
Word-Truth-Idea-Light coming? It is coming from My Absolute Essence
rooted in My Absolute Unconditional Divine Love. Traditionally, this
Essence is designated by the word ‘Father.’ It indicates someone who
gives birth to all and everything. In our conceptualization of this term, it
is not associated with the masculine gender. Its meaning is solely in the
fact that it is the very originating point of all else. In fact, in our
conceptualization the word ‘Father’ is equated with the word ‘Spirit.’ It is
the spirit of everyone that is the source of one’s life and of everything
that one consists. This is the reason why in one of the previous Dialogs,
as you remember, it was stated that your spirit, or the spiritual mind
(which is the same thing), is your father. From the position of this
understanding, you can conceptualize everything in you which is
something else but your spirit, as being your son. After all, if your spirit
is the originating point of everything else in you, then, in fact, it gives
that everything else birth. In that case, logically speaking, all else in you
is the son of your spirit-father. In that sense, My Word-Truth-Idea-Light
is My only begotten Son.
Because the very Nature of My Essence is My Absolute Unconditional
Love, from that position, I sent My Son — My Word-Truth-Idea-Light —
into the world in order to save it from its own foolishness, falsities and
distortions; or, to be more precise, to set up a condition to accomplish this
act of salvation when the time comes. This is the reason why John quotes
Me as saying the famous and most quoted words, ‘For God so loved the
world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him
should not perish but have everlasting life.’ As you see from this quote, it
is My Absolute Unconditional Love that gave impetus to My Word-Truth-
Idea-Light — My only begotten Son — to descend into the world for the
purpose of its future salvation. After all, logically speaking, if ‘...the Word
was God,’ then it is obvious that Father and Son are the same. This is
the reason why John very clearly and empathetically quotes Me as
saying, ‘I and My Father are One.’ (John 10:30) and ‘He who has seen Me
has seen the Father (John 14:9); and John the Baptist saying, ‘No one has
seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the
Father, He has declared Him.’ As you see, I emphasized the words ‘who
is in the bosom of the Father’ in order to give you a clear insight into
the fact that I am not someone different from My Father but one and the
same from eternity to eternity.
This discourse has a direct relevance to something which was
prophesized by the prophet Isaiah, or which I said through him: ‘For unto
us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be
upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor,
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). Now,
why would the Son be at the same time the Mighty God and an
Everlasting Father? Isn’t it a contradiction in terms — to be one’s own
son and one’s own father at the same time? If I am the Son, why is it so
that I am My Own Father likewise? From a typical human standpoint,
this statement, as well as the above statements, doesn’t make any sense.
Not only doesn’t it make any sense, but it is totally confusing to the
human mind. This is the reason why Christian theoreticians, theologians
and philosophers had to come up with the idea of three persons in One
God or One God in three persons — the proverbial Christian Trinity. And
because neither of these conceptualizations of God in three persons
makes any sense, they had to invent the concept of blind faith,
proclaiming that it is a mystery of God that cannot ever be
comprehended by the rational, logical mind or by the reasoning process.
For that reason, it has to be blindly believed. In order to justify the
concept of blind faith, Luther went so far in this respect that he
proclaimed reason and logic as an invention of the devil.
The problem with these people is that they interpret the terms ‘Father’
and ‘Son’ from a typical human standpoint and not from the spiritual
understanding of what these terms signify. We have already discussed
the true meaning of these terms in one of the previous Dialogs. As you
see from the above interpretation and the interpretation in that Dialog,
the term ‘Father’ is equated with your essence and the term ‘Son’ with
your substance. And because it is the essence which gives birth to
everything else, including its substance, it is conceptualized as father,
and the substance as its son. They are not two but one entity.
You can say that the entire content of John’s Gospel revolves around this
issue. Because this issue is one of the most mysterious and mystical of
all, his Gospel is very much philosophical and mystical in comparison
with the other three Gospels which have a totally different approach to
My Nature and My life on planet Zero. His Gospel, therefore, puts
considerably more emphasis on what I said rather than on what I did. At
the same time, it deals much more with the issue of Who I really Am as
compared with the other three Gospels. This is the function of the East
point of view. The East point of view indicates that the Father of
everyone and everything is Love which functions and operates by the
means of its Wisdom through its Word-Truth-Idea-Light. Love-Father
sends its Son-Wisdom-Word-Truth-Idea-Light into the world so that it
may accomplish its goals there. In this non-gender sense, you can equate
the word ‘Father’ with the word ‘Parent’ which doesn’t have such a
gender-bound connotation. In a deeper sense the term ‘Parent’ can be
equated with the term ‘Love,’ and the term ‘Word-Truth-Idea-Light’ with
the term ‘Son.’
The central theme of this particular Gospel, therefore, is Love and how I
Loved the world and everyone in it. This is John’s representation. It has
a very strong feminine connotation. This is the reason that, not only his
Gospel has this particular connotation, but also his three Epistles, which
he wrote, are full of references to this Love. He correctly perceived that
the true meaning of life is in Love. And, logically speaking, if I am the
Originator of any life at all, then I must be Love in Myself, by Myself, of
Myself and from Myself. Thus, there is no other source of Love and
everything related to it but I.
In another sense, because of such an essential connotation that John’s
Gospel has, you can consider it as the most comprehensive integration of
everything which was recorded about Me in all other Gospels. Whereas
other Gospels concentrate on those aspects of My life on planet Zero,
which their points of view — South, West and North — represent, and by
which they limit their descriptions of these facts, John’s Gospel takes a
much broader, all-inclusive position that emphasizes all aspects of My
function and operation from all levels of My Absolute Nature.
Let us now take Matthew‘s position, or the position from the South. It
comes from the position of the need to rebuild or reconstruct something
which was considerably damaged and in many cases completely
destroyed. Or to say it differently, something that had not been
accomplished, or had not been properly applied, or that had been
completely misunderstood and misinterpreted, needed to be brought to
everyone’s attention so that they would be enabled to amend their ways
and, as a result, they would be able to put everything in proper spiritual
perspective. This is the function of My Absolute Wisdom, which from the
position of its Absolute Love, provides the proper and effective material
for accomplishing this goal. This is the function of the South. The entire
Gospel of Matthew has this particular connotation. In some sense, it
illustrates and at the same time, provides the means for how to make
everything right which had been made totally wrong.
In Luke’s position, or the position of the West, the Goodness of My Heart
requires a continuous functional maintenance of My Creation so that all
and everything in it is provided with all possible opportunities for their
continuous growth and progression. In this particular connotation, as
applicable to planet Zero in particular and to the entirety of the negative
state in general, it is the process of healing of everything that is sick,
diseased and dying and that desperately needs repairs. As you know,
humans and their lifestyle and all in the negative state, are very ill, fully
and terminally diseased and are in the process of dying. My coming to
this world, from the Goodness of My Heart, was for the purpose of
offering all the means and ways for their healing. Here I am in the
function and role of a Physician. It is by no means a coincidence that
Luke himself was a physician. I needed him to be in that role in order to
exemplify externally My role as being the only Absolute Physician Who is
able to cure everyone from all their ills no matter how incurable and
terminal they may, or seem, to be. This is a position of My Compassion
which stems from the Goodness of My Heart to provide everyone with the
opportunity to be healed. This is the position and significance of the
West. It tells you that I am the Only One Who can repair everything
which is broken, and restore everything that was damaged to its proper
and useful function, or to make everything new and different in an
absolute sense.
In Mark’s position, or the position of the North, the Absolute Truth of the
Faith establishes a condition in the most externals of everyone’s
perception which makes it possible for them to accept My Works as being
purely Divine. The primary emphasis here is not on what I said but what
I did. My Deeds built a foundation, on which everyone’s faith in positive
works with a subsequent commitment to perform such positive works,
with positive and good intent, could become the reality of everyone’s life.
The position of the North, in this connotation, signifies that anything I
say must be corroborated by life in accordance with the principles
contained in My sayings. Thus, from this position, only the positive
works or good deeds of everyone are the only effective confirmatory signs
that one properly understood and applied My Principles. Therefore, in
Mark’s position, or the position of the North, whatever I say or pronounce
is immediately confirmed and corroborated on the spot by My Positive
Works or Good Deeds. But it also shows that the source and proper
motivational and intentional factors of anyone’s effort to perform such
positive works or deeds, stem from Me as the Only One Who from
His/Her Absolute State can properly motivate everyone to be that way
because I am the Ultimate Source of everything positive and good. The
faith in this crucial fact makes it possible for you to be the same way as I
am, relative to My Absolute State in this particular respect. And this is
the truth of the matter. This is the position of the North, in our present
connotation, related to this topic only.
Of course, Peter, as you know so well, these designations — from the
East, South, West and North, — in their literal meaning, apply only to
planet Zero. In the positive state, only the East exists, similarly as only
the right side exists there (see Dialog 77). In the positive state there are
spiritual correspondences of these concepts in the manner as described
above. This factor points out the fact that I am the Only One Who is ‘I
AM’ in an Absolute sense. This ‘I AM’ is perceived as the East because of
the fact that I constantly rise and shine in everyone’s life. Thus, in the
positive state everyone is facing the East, no matter which way they
turn. For that reason, as no left exists in the positive state, so there is no
back or behind. Only the negative state is situated in the back and
behind. This is one of the reasons I was saying to Satan or the devil, “Go
behind Me, Satan.’ By saying that, I indicated very clearly that there is
no place, or state or condition in the positive state whatsoever, which
would have a negative connotation.
Peter: Thank You very much for this unusual explanation. It would
never occur to me that such an interpretation could be given to the
meaning of the Four Gospels. Could we continue with the answer to my
second question?
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are very welcome, Peter. Yes, we may
continue.
Peter: Let me reformulate this question. I quoted Luke 8:10 and Isaiah
6:9. The question is why would You purposefully speak in parables in
order to have humans and creatures of the negative state see but not see,
and hearing that they may not understand? This doesn’t make any sense.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Before explaining the reasons for such a
statement, first, I am going to confuse you even more. How did Isaiah
state those words and in what manner did I quote them? Let Me quote
Isaiah first: verse 9: ‘And He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on
hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’”
Now, My quote in Luke: ‘Seeing they may not see, and hearing they may
not understand.’ Do you see the difference in the sequence between these
two quotes? I reversed the sequence. Why, you may ask? At the time I
said those things through Isaiah, I had not yet been incarnated on planet
Zero. I only considered it and talked about it. But My talking about it
didn’t register in anyone’s mind on this planet that I Personally would
come down to them and be with them. So, this is the reason that in
Isaiah, I said first about hearing but not understanding. Then I
prophesized that once they see Me, no matter how often they will see Me,
they will not perceive Who I am.
On the other hand, in Luke I had to reverse this saying because, now I
was down with them and they saw Me from day to day and yet, no
matter what, they didn’t see Me the way I really was or Who I really was.
For that reason, ‘seeing they may not see.’ At the same time, as I was
talking to them from their own position, being amongst them physically
and literally, and as they were hearing Me, because they didn’t see Who I
really was, they couldn’t understand what I was saying to them.
Let Me confuse your external mind, Peter, even more. How do the words
in prophet Isaiah continue following the 9th verse in Chapter 6? Verses
10 through 13: ‘Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy,
and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears,
and understand with their heart, and return and be healed.’ This is even
more cruel-sounding than the verse that I quoted in Luke. Isaiah 6:11-
13: ‘Then I said, “Lord, how long” ‘And He answered:’ “Until the cities are
laid waste and without inhabitant, the houses are without a man, the
land is utterly desolate, The Lord has removed men far away, and the
forsaken places are many in the midst of the land. But yet a tenth will be
in it, and will return and be for consuming, as a terebinth tree or as an
oak, whose stump remains when it is cut down. So the holy seed shall be
its stump’.
So, why was it that I had to speak in riddles, or in this case, in
correspondences and parables, purposefully making them not
understand what I was talking about and purposefully making them not
accept who I was and what My purpose amongst them was? Look at it
from what position I was talking to them and in what position from
which they were seeing Me and hearing Me. I came down from the
ultimate internals or within state to the ultimate externals or the
without state. And not only that but I positioned Myself in the outside-
ness of the without itself — which is the negative state and human life
itself. In other words, I came down both to the human life and the Zone
of Displacement. Now I was on the human level and on the level of the
negative state. How do you relate to anyone from that level and how do
they relate to you from their own level? From the externals or outside-
ness to the externals or outside-ness. As you know, this condition is the
condition of appearances only. In this condition, which is the condition
of illusion and unreality, if I were to let them see Me for Who I really was
and let them understand what I really was talking about, I would
eternally lock them up in the state of outside-ness. In that case they
would stay in the appearances of their lives and not in the true reality
of their lives. Thus, they would eternally stay in the illusion of life
without ever knowing what the true life is all about.
So, the first step in this respect was to come down to their level, and
implant in their internals or within, the Truth, which they would not
understand in their externals so that they would have no chance to
distort and falsify it, thus, preventing themselves from any possibility of
coming out of the illusion of their pseudo-life. In order that this would
not happen, ever, I spoke in parables and correspondences, or in the
language of their internals. This is that ‘stump’ that remains or the holy
seed which will be utilized by Me to open their internals and let them
know and accept the Truth, and based on that, bring them back to the
positive state — as was so nicely and symbolically described by Me in the
quoted verses of prophet Isaiah.
You have to understand here very clearly, that to accomplish all that,
first you have to come down to their level. At this level they have no
Truth. Neither is anything implanted of that nature in their internals.
Their internals are shut off and completely blocked. The key to opening
them is by implantation in them of the Truth of My Nature and the true
meaning of My Word. Unless you implant this fact first, you are unable
to accomplish anything at all. Once it is implanted into their unconscious
mind, you let it germinate there until the time comes for it to spring
forth and blossom into a powerful tree of the correct and true knowledge
about everything regarding their pseudo-lives and the true meaning and
purpose of the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence of the negative state
and why it was permitted to come to its adverse fruition in the first
place. In the meantime, as it germinates, externally, you dull their mind,
you make them blind and deaf, you do all that which I indicated in
Isaiah, so that they don’t get hold of it and cut it down or pluck it out
from their mind, thus, preventing themselves from ever being saved, and
consequently placing themselves in eternal doom. So, whatever I said
and how I said it, was for their own benefit. If you look at it this way, you
will see that in no way was it cruel, but instead, it was a sign of My
Absolute Mercy and Compassion. And this is what the quoted statement
really means and signifies.
Peter: Thank You so much for this meaningful and inspiring
explanation. Is there anything else You would like to contribute today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are very welcome, Peter. No, I think I will
postpone anything else that would be useful to talk about to some other
time. We’ve had enough for one day. Have a pleasant afternoon, Peter.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
