To read aloud
EIGHTY THIRD DIALOGUE
May 27, 1999, Moscow, Russia
Peter: Before going into my own questions this morning, I would like to
ask You, my Lord Jesus Christ, if You have anything to contribute about
anything at all.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking Me to talk first.
Many things are in the process of unfolding and taking place at the
present time. Within the frame of the currently ongoing shift, various
progressive phases are being instituted or, to be more precise, are put
into motion which will significantly alter the course of developments in
the realm of the negative state and on planet Zero.
For example, something important happened yesterday that enabled one
of these phases to be triggered. The nature of this phase and what it
constitutes is premature to reveal or to know at this time because it is
still unfolding. As long as it is unfolding, such knowledge, being that it
would be offered to human aspects of your conscious mind, could impede
its proper establishment as well as manifestation of its consequences.
The reason we are mentioning this fact is that your collaborative effort,
Peter, with our Lyudmila, as well as with Victor; your discussions and
walks in the streets of Moscow, and most importantly, your specific
spiritual, mental and physical energies, produced by your activities
yesterday, were needed and were effectively utilized for this phase to
begin its development.
As you see from this fact, being that you are My cherished
representatives on planet Zero and being that you agreed to work with
Me on whatever is needed and is deemed appropriate by Me for the
purpose of fulfillment of all aspects of My Plan of Salvation, everything
that you do, experience, consider, undertake or whatever, is being
utilized by Me within the frame of My Work which I do toward the final
goal. It is not that much your specific activities or experiences that you
have or undertake, but your very specific energies which are generated
during such activities and experiences that are being utilized for this
noble purpose. This factor relates to all of you who agreed to be My true
representatives on planet Zero. Your diverse specific and unique
activities, your experiences, everything that you have encountered from
the time that you agreed or chose upon My request to become My true
representatives, and to the time of fulfillment of your missions on planet
Zero, no matter where you are and no matter what you do or experience,
the spiritual, mental and physical energies produced during this time,
serve for Me as important means for accomplishment of My goals in this
respect.
Now, it is obvious that your human conscious mind is utterly incognizant
of this fact. Consciously, you have no idea or sense that this is the case.
However, on other levels of your mind, without any conscious
involvement, you are fully aware of this fact and your participation in
this respect is registered and recognized there. The reason you need to
know about these facts at this particular time, is that the phase of the
currently ongoing shift, which is in the process of unfolding, requires
your conscious knowledge regarding your involvement in this important
work. Although it is quite conceivable that outwardly you may not have
any tangible recognition or experience of anything particularly
happening in this respect, your becoming consciously aware that this is
the case, and being aware that no matter what you do or experience, and
that your spiritual, mental and physical energies are being utilized for
this purpose, it will considerably strengthen this process, making it more
effective, more executable and more successfully established.
There is an important time frame factor for this process. As you know,
different readers of these Dialogs, and specifically of all Dialogs that
follow the Eightieth Dialog, will read them at different times. These
different times will be spread out considerably especially with those who
will be awaiting for their translations into other languages. This factor of
time-spread is not by coincidence. Within the time frame that is needed
for this phase of the currently ongoing shift to be fully put into motion or
to be executed and established, various specific spiritual, mental and
physical energies will be needed that will be provided at the time of their
reading of these Dialogs (which follow the 80th Dialog). This is a spread
out effect.
Looking at our Dialogs from this perspective, you can clearly ascertain
that there is an important breaking point between the first 80 Dialogs
and the ones that follow them. An important spiritual and multiversal
milestone was accomplished and firmly established at all levels of being
and existence and pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, as well as on
planet Zero at the time when the 80th Dialog was finished and you, Peter,
embarked on your important and crucial trip abroad. Following that
Dialog, a new beginning in the process of elimination of the negative
state and all the negative aspects of human nature, as well as in
preparation for activation of the fullness and completeness of life of the
positive state, has been in place. The nature of this new beginning
required from you, Peter, to arrive into the strongholds of the renegades
in Moscow, Russia and have a very intense and meaningful collaborative
involvement with Lyudmila and Victor. Their participation with you,
Peter, in this process, at this junction of the mentioned new beginning, is
very important; and your combined spiritual, mental and physical
energies which are being generated by your various activities, and very
often also by seeming non-activities (during your rest and/or sleep), are
very important contributory factors for this new beginning to be firmly
grounded and put into motion. At the same time, by this factor, you are
building a firm ground and condition, on which all others of My
representatives, during their own reading of these Dialogs, and
subsequently during their own activities, will be contributing their own
spiritual, mental and physical energies which will be utilized for the
successful implementation and establishment of everything related to
this new beginning and the way it will be unfolding.
Of course, due to security considerations, the nature and the content of
this new beginning cannot be revealed at this time. The renegades are
extremely disturbed by it and they would like nothing better than to
learn about the nature and content of this new phase so that they could
block its impact on themselves or, at least, postpone its establishment
and process. Not having any possibility of learning these facts, they are
becoming more furious and more chaotic in their activities. Thus, you can
expect that some more unpredictable chaotic and confusing events on
your planet are to take place, generated by the renegades in response to
this new beginning. In some ways, such events may sometimes and
temporarily adversely influence your external lives by setting you up for
development of all kinds of unexpected and irritating symptoms on your
external mental and/or physical level. However, whenever something like
that may happen to you, don’t panic and don’t be dismayed or upset
because they are only superficial and non-life threatening occurrences
which will pass without any harm done to you and to your overall well-
being. As you know, Peter, something like that has already happened to
Lyudmila and Victor.
I want you to realize that anything which is and will be happening to
you, as to My true representatives, no matter how seemingly difficult,
threatening, bad, unpleasant and unexpected it is or will be, it will be
turned into something positive and good; and the spiritual, mental and
physical energies generated during those times will be effectively and
successfully utilized by Me for the accomplishment of My goals and
plans. And this is all, Peter, that I wanted to contribute today. You may
proceed with asking your questions.
Peter: Thank You very, very much for Your meaningful contribution. My
first question relates to something that You said in Your Revelation
(Apocalypse) in the Holy Bible, Chapter 3, verse 19, and I quote, ‘As
many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.’
The Russian translation sounds somewhat more severe in this respect. It
indicates that whomever You love, You unmask and punish. The English
translation, as quoted here, doesn’t have such a punitive connotation as
the Russian. This statement, and some statements by Paul and King
Solomon about not sparing the rod to punish children and humans in
general (for example, the saying, ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’), led
many societies on this planet to institute sometimes very severe forms of
punishment and discipline. And not only that — and this is a problem, —
they do so in Your name, quoting You and Your punitive nature,
justifying their own punitive actions and severe behavior toward their
children and other humans. After all, if You punish, rebuke and chasten
us, and if You recommend us to do the same in respect to others, then it
is godly, proper and appropriate for us to be that way. Somehow, this
understanding of Your statement doesn’t fit The New Revelation’s
conceptualization of Your True Nature. Would You like to offer any
comment on this issue? Also, why is it that it came to my attention at
this particular time?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, I would like to comment on this
statement of Mine as recorded in the Apocalypse. And the reason that it
came to your attention at this time is that it is connected to the above
mentioned new beginning and to the phase which is in the process of its
occurrence right now within the frame of the currently ongoing shift. The
forces of the negative state, especially the renegades, but also the
pseudo-creators, are in the process of triggering, or have already
established, all kinds of mutually punitive activities and destruction as
seen, for example, in the NATO war against Yugoslavia and in the fights
that are going on among various factions of the renegades (ethnic
cleansing, hateful intolerance, etc.). This unusual situation triggers in a
much stronger manner than before in human tendencies to try to resolve
problems of their lives, be it within their own families with their own
children, or in the workplace or on the streets in general or in
relationships amongst themselves, in a violent and punitive manner.
Recently, you have been witnessing many such events taking place
around you. And you will witness more of them.
In order to justify such violent and punitive behaviors, very often and in
some societies, it is proclaimed that I am the One who is doing it by the
means of humans. Thus, in their conceptualization I am the One who
punishes people and who allows all these atrocities and abominations,
which are constantly generated in all corners of your planet, to take
place. As you know, any so-called natural disasters, for example, that are
happening so frequently on your planet, are considered to be acts of God,
as though I am the One who causes them. Because of this false
perception and misunderstanding, and because of the more and more
frequent occurrences of such negative, punitive and violent phenomena,
it is necessary to address this issue and put it in a proper perspective.
This is the reason why it was brought to your attention at this time. It is
also tied in with the above mentioned phase and the new beginning.
If the Nature of God — My Nature — is rooted and grounded in the
Absolute Divine Love and Absolute Divine Wisdom, and Absolute Divine
Good and Absolute Divine Truth, and Absolute Divine Positive Works
and Absolute Divine Faith, then, in that case, logically speaking, any
punitive or punishing or violent behavior is inconsistent with such a
Nature. However, what would be the reason for My making such
statements, (and there are many such statements throughout the Bible),
if they truly contradict Who and how I really am? As you see from this
discourse, the issue is, once again, in taking everything, what I said or
stated literally and not spiritually. The problem with this situation is
that anything I proclaim on the spiritual level and which relates solely to
the amendment or correction of one’s ways and manner of life, if it is
stated in terms of outcomes and consequences of any activities and/or
behaviors of the negative nature, when it is applied to the external non-
spiritual understanding of the human mind, it sounds and is perceived
and conceived as punitive or punishing or even violent.
Consider this important fact: What is the nature of the positive state in
general — as related to the discussed issue? In its essence and substance
it reflects My Absolute Nature in its relative condition. The nature of this
nature, tautologically speaking, is to be positive, that is to say, to be
kind, gentle, considerate, understanding, long-suffering or patient; to be
loving, wise, open, merciful, forgiving; to be compassionate, empathetic,
understanding, accepting; and to be non-violent, non-punitive and non-
retributive. In this case, if you establish a lifestyle congruent to these
positive characteristics, you establish the very life of the positive state. If
you are in such a life, you are in Me and I am in you because only from
My very Nature anything of this nature can be established. So, what do
you do, if you want to initiate and establish a lifestyle which is totally
different? Obviously, you cannot include in such a life anything which is
of those characteristics. You have to come up with something totally
opposite to them. In this case, a lifestyle comes to its fruition which
contains only that which is not in the positive state and/or in My Nature.
Thus, you will initiate violence, punitive-ness, ruthlessness,
chastisement, rebukes, inconsiderateness, impatience, rejection and all
similar characteristics which will become the mode of your life. Hence,
the negative state.
However, there are several factors under which and by which such life
could be established. First of all, as you know, because this life doesn’t
contain anything which would be of My Nature or the nature of My
positive state, it cannot have a permanent and eternal continuation.
Otherwise, you would have to admit that two absolute forces operate
independently in the multiverse: one positive and one negative. If this
were the case, either force could not be eliminated to eternity. This
situation would be true if both forces were to be initiated in the Absolute
Source — Me. In the logical construct, if something is Absolute in one of
its fundamental characteristics, it cannot be at the same time absolute in
something which is opposite to this characteristic. If I am absolutely
good, kind, loving, wise, etc., I cannot be at the same time absolutely bad,
evil, negative, hateful, intolerant, foolish, inconsiderate, etc. Thus, as
stated many times before, co-existence of two absolutes in their opposing
characteristics, cannot be and exist. They are mutually exclusive.
Based on these factors, a very specific arrangement was made by Me
before I granted My permission for this opposing lifestyle to be
established. In actuality, several conditions were spelled out and
embedded in the life of the negative state. As you know, the first one was
that the negative state cannot stay forever but it can last only during one
cycle of time — the current one. Secondly, that everyone who participates
in its life will be there on a voluntary basis with the ability to change and
to choose fully preserved in them. Thirdly, that no conscious memories
will be retained that this is only a voluntary and transient status of their
pseudo-being and pseudo-existence. Fourthly, that everyone
participating in the negative state will have to bear full consequences of
his/her negative and evil deeds. Fifthly, that in the very life of the
negative state there will be a continuous awareness of rebuke and
chastisement about evilness and negativity of its members in order to
make it possible for anyone in the negative state to recede from its
pseudo-lifestyle. After all, if you choose to be negative or evil, you choose
the pseudo-life of the negative state. Once you choose this pseudo-life,
you choose all conditions under which the negative state was permitted
to be activated. In that case, you choose the life of punishment or
punitiveness as well as rebuke and chastisement.
Due to the fact that I am Absolute Love, and being absolute in My Love, I
love everyone without exception or exclusion, no matter how evil and
negative any individual might be. Because of My Absolute Love, I am in
the state of a constant reminder to everyone in the negative state and
human life to recede from their negative life because by its very nature it
is the state of suffering, rebuke, chastisement, misery, confusion,
foolishness and similar putrid characteristics. My Absolute Love has no
desire for anyone to be in such a terrible state. Therefore, if I love you,
and if you are in such a state, by that factor and by the factor of its
nature, I am continuously reminding you to amend your ways because I
want you back in the positive state with Me. My Absolute Love provided
all these conditions in the negative state in order to make it possible for
everyone to come back to the positive state.
Can you imagine what would happen if no such important provisions
were made and if nothing of this nature were to be imbued in the very
essence and substance of the negative state or, to be more precise, in
everyone’s unconscious mind? If nothing of this nature were to exist in
their minds, regardless of in what mode — conscious or unconscious,
there would be absolutely no incentives for anyone to get out of the
negative state and to come back to the positive state.
Because before activation of the negative state, we all had a mutual
agreement to establish all the above mentioned conditions, under which
the negative state was permitted to be activated; and because, in an
ultimate sense, I am the One Who has Absolute control of all
consequences, outcomes and results of any actions and reactions, it is
perceived by everyone, and, in fact, it is needed to be stated to everyone,
that it is I who rebuke and chasten everyone whom I love and cherish.
This is the Absolute Wisdom of My Absolute Love and the Absolute Love
of My Absolute Wisdom. If I were not to love in such an Absolute
manner, it wouldn’t matter to Me what would happen to you or what the
outcome of the negative state would be. In that case, you might as well
commit existential suicide. No purpose would exist for your life, whatever
type of life it would be, to continue under such impossible conditions.
However, I do care, and I do care in an Absolute degree. And because I
care Absolutely, I provide all kinds of opportunities, make all kinds of
provisions and set up all kinds of conditions under which recession from
such a pseudo-life and return to the true life is not only possible but is an
absolute necessity.
As you see from this explanation, Peter, the interpretation of the quoted
verse has to be made in the manner as described above. It is not as if I
personally and directly rebuke or punish or chasten anyone — this would
be contrary to My True Nature — but the Wisdom of My Love spells out
for everyone in the negative state and human life all conditions under
which the negative state was permitted to be activated; and, at the same
time, it gives them a way out of it. As mentioned at the beginning of this
discourse, whenever you spell out for someone those conditions, or
whatever conditions, because it is you who spells them out for them, it
appears that you are the one who is rebuking and chastening them. In
the negative state and human life no other perception is possible
because, by their very nature, it always appears to them as if this rebuke
and chastening comes from the outside, from someone out there and not
from their own within; while the true reality of this fact is that such
rebukes and chastening come from their own within where it was placed
by the original agreement as one of the most important conditions under
which the negative state was allowed to come to its pseudo-life. However,
their own within is rejected by all members of the negative state and by
the majority of humans — what a terrible state for them to be in! — and
because of that, the only way it can penetrate their mind at any of its
levels is if you present that statement to them as if it is coming not from
their within but from their without — in this case from Me. Hence, ‘As
many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.’
Does it answer your question, Peter?
Peter: Very much so. And I thank You very much for this answer.
Although I do have another question, I think I should postpone it to some
other time.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, it would be a good idea to do so.
More of your energies are needed in a different mode of activities.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
