To read aloud
NINETIETH DIALOGUE
June 19, 1999, Moscow, Russia
Peter: Today I would like to present for You an inquiry related to one of
Your statements during Your stay on planet Zero. However, before
formulating my question, I would like to ask if You have anything to talk
about or to elaborate upon as related to anything You think would be
appropriate for us to know.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for asking Me to talk first. I
do have something to add to the topic discussed in the Eighty Ninth
Dialog as related to the issue of the purpose for which it was necessary to
activate the negative state and place it in its own relatively independent
life. As you remember, the entire issue at that time was the relationship
between the Absolute State and the relative states. From the position of
the relative sentient entities, looking upon something that is Absolute,
and knowing that it is impossible to fully grasp the nature of that
Absolute, certain doubts could easily enter the sentient minds about the
validity of any knowledge which was available to them. How could a
relative sentient entity be sure that any knowledge available to him/her
really is true and genuine if nothing exists at all against which such
knowledge could be compared or ascertained?
Take for example, this scenario: You are a relative being. You have no
other option in the matter of any knowledge but only that which you
have and what you experience and which is the life of the positive state.
But how do you really know that it is the life of the positive state and
that you are positive? Because you are told so? Against what other type
of life are you able to compare your current life that would clearly give
you an indication that what you have and what you experience is really
the life of the positive state? From your relative position, not having any
other experience about any other life, you could easily conclude that, for
all practical purposes, your present life might as well be the life of the
negative state. How would you know any difference if you have no other
experience about anything but what is currently available to you?
How can you justify having theoretical knowledge that you really are in
the life of the positive state and that you have full freedom of choice
about anything if that anything doesn’t even exist and if nothing
different is available from which to choose?
So, in order to put all these questions to the test and in order to make
available to all relative sentient entities a different perspective and
different choices, it was absolutely necessary to allow the establishment
of an entirely different type of life that would have nothing in common
with the life which was currently available. Any commonalities with the
available life would preclude that different life to be much too different.
From that kind of situation, no true learning or acquirement of needed
proper knowledge could be derived.
However, the dilemma of this setup is in the fact that there were no
sources available from and no grounds on which any other type of life
other than the available life could be derived and built. So, how do you go
about establishing this different life if you have no sources and no
grounds for establishment of anything of this different nature? The first
and the only step that is available to you, as to the relative sentient
entity, in this respect is to search out what kinds of ideas were implanted
in your mind in the process of your creation. By carefully analyzing all
such ideas and by exploring all aspects of knowledge that are available to
you, you discover one important fact: You didn’t create yourself but you
were created by someone else. And not only that, but in the process of
your creation, as the idea of your unique and specific creation occurred in
someone else’s Mind, you were given a choice to be and to exist or not to
be and not to exist as an independent, free and choice-making individual,
albeit relative, but nevertheless, its own unique being and existence.
Moreover, you do have knowledge that because you were not the one who
created yourself from nothing, by your own effort and volition, and that
you are therefore relative, there must be Someone Who created you from
His/Her own independent ideas or from Himself/Herself. And because
you do possess this knowledge and the knowledge that, in the initial
setup, from the relative, nothing can be derived in itself and by itself that
could give life to another relative, in that case there must be Someone
Absolute to whom you are relative and who is capable of producing such
a relative life.
However, as mentioned in the previous Dialog, because of your relative
condition, no knowledge is available to you about the true nature of this
Absolute in its absolute sense. Therefore, because of your absolute
dependency on this Absolute State, and because you cannot acquire any
knowledge about its True Nature, you have to conclude that whatever
knowledge you have is no knowledge at all. Thus, to repeat again, you
know absolutely nothing. Any relative knowledge is only relative and
therefore, it is not reliable because it doesn’t have absolute validity. Only
that which has absolute validity and is inexhaustible in itself and by
itself can provide you with reliable, valid and true knowledge. This is the
condition of your relative life. And because, in the true reality of your
life, you know absolutely nothing in an absolute sense, you begin to
doubt anything that you know about or that you experience in the
process of your living. You even begin to doubt whether you really exist
at all and whether your life is not some kind of illusion or a nightmarish
state.
So, as you continue to explore all ideas that you have, at one point you
realize that you do have an idea that gives you a different option to
anything else available to you. Once you discover that idea, you realize
that your free will and choice depends on availability of that option
represented by the idea in question. This is the only option you have
besides the original idea that your life derives from some kind of
Absolute State or Being. And what does that idea contain? It tells you
that you have the right and privilege to reject the other idea which tells
you that your life derives from the Absolute Source.
However, at this point in time, you have only an option in the form of the
availability of that idea. No experiences and knowledge are available to
you in order to determine what life would be like if that idea is not only
accepted as the only valid one but put into its practical manifestation so
that it could produce all its consequences, outcomes and results. To have
this different option in itself and by itself is not sufficient to acquire any
knowledge about any other type of life but what you currently have. Also,
it is not sufficient to give you a reliable and valid notion whether the life
you currently live in, is really the positive state’s life or whether it is
something else; perhaps, even the pseudo-life of the negative state. After
all, at this point of your exploration, you have absolutely nothing
available that would enable you to compare your so-called positive life
with any other type of life.
For that reason, in order to make such a comparison possible, and in
order that your question whether it is the life of the positive state which
you currently live in, is answered once and for all in the most valid,
reliable and experiential mode, you choose to accept that option
contained in the mentioned idea and you go by its indications.
So, as you see from this description, the very first step in activating any
other life but the life of the positive state, is to accept that idea and
proclaim that life, any life, doesn’t derive from the Absolute State,
defined as God, and from His/Her Will and His/Her Ideas or Spiritual
Principles. In the moment you accept that idea, by the process of that
acceptance, you enter the second step in the activation of this other life:
You totally and completely separate yourself from your original life,
defined as the life of the positive state, and you begin to live life in
accordance with everything that is not contained in that other life. You
arrive at this point by simply analyzing what was contained in that other
life and you reject all its premises, conditions, traits, modes and
character so that nothing of it enters your new and different type of life.
Accepting anything from your original life, would make it impossible to
make a proper, reliable and valid comparison between these two types of
lives.
Once you put this other type of life into motion, and once all
consequences, outcomes and results of its activation are in process, your
learning begins about what the truth and the true reality is not and what
the Absolute State does not contain. As you are exhausting, step by little
step, all aspects and facets of this learning, at one point in time, you
reach a very obvious state that makes you realize that nothing is
remaining any more that could be learned from this process. In other
words, everything learnable and everything that could have been
experienced has been learned and experienced and therefore, it would be
futile and unproductive to continue in something that no longer gives you
any option to learn anything new and different about anything.
It is at this junction that you realize very clearly that, because of the full
and complete exhaustibility of anything contained in your type of life,
your life is not a true life for the simple reason that it lacks any true
incentives in its continuation. If you have nothing more to learn, you lose
all incentives to continue in that type of life. This obvious conclusion
leads to another important conclusion: If you produce something which
derives from your relative condition, it can be nothing more than relative
to the relative only and therefore, it lacks permanency of its being and
existence. Somehow it always inevitably ends without giving you any
further option of learning and experiencing something new. In that case,
it is not the true life because, as you make comparisons between the
previous life in the positive state and your current life, which can now be
defined as the life of the negative state, you realize that your previous
life doesn’t contain this option — exhaustibility of learning and its
permanent ending. Therefore, that life had to be derived from the
Absolute Condition or State because only from something which is
Absolute can anything of this inexhaustible nature be derived.
Once this realization fully hits your mind, you come to the conclusion
that the only feasible, realistic, rational, intelligent, proper, logical and
correct choice to be made is the choice for the life of the positive state.
Now you know what never to choose. Before that, before activation of
that other life, the life of the negative state, you had absolutely no
knowledge and understanding of what not to choose — but also what to
choose, for that matter.
As you see from these facts, the issue here is not only what not to choose
but also what to choose. If you have no experiential and obvious
comparison between all factors of two different lives, you cannot arrive at
any conclusion about choosing something or not choosing something. And
this is one of the true rationales for allowing the activation of the
negative state. This was one of the most important purposes for which
permission was granted to proceed with this experiment.
From My Absolute State and Condition, in My non-time and non-space
state, I knew Absolutely that activation of any other life but the life that
stemmed from My Absolute State, would have only transient and
temporary duration for the simple reason that it didn’t originate from My
Absolute State but from the relative state of sentient entities. Anything
that derives from the Absolute State, as you know, Peter, — and we are
repeating this fact again, — cannot be exhaustible because it carries
within itself the absolute in its relative condition. On the other hand,
anything that originated in the relative state, by the nature of its
original source, is relative to the relative only and because of that, it is
fully exhaustible and transient. It remains only until it exhausts all its
possibilities and everything that it contains. And this is the fundamental
difference between these two states.
However, as is obvious from the above description, you are unable to
discern these fundamental differences if you have no experience and no
comparison between them. In order to do that, you have to allow
establishment of that other type of life — the relative one — so that such
an important comparison can be made and a proper foundation and
condition for your choices are established. Only after that are you able to
come to the right conclusions about anything at all.
From these facts, Peter, you can clearly see the obvious rationale why it
was so essential to permit the activation of the negative state. Without
My permission, all sentient entities would be locked forever in only one
state — the positive state, without any option of learning about anything
else. In that case, they would be eternally plagued by doubts whether
their life is a true life or whether something else exists that could be a
better and truer life. If you were to live constantly in doubts about
anything, tell Me, Peter, what kind of life would it be?
Peter: In that case it wouldn’t be life of the positive state but it would be
life of the negative state because doubts and uncertainties are negative
emotions.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Precisely, Peter. So, in order not to allow these
doubts and uncertainties to plague the sentient mind, thus, avoiding
contamination of the positive state by anything negative, it was
necessary to allow the activation of the negative state and give everyone
a concrete and tangible option, based on experiential factors, to make the
proper and right choices. And this is what this was all about and what I
wanted to talk about today, Peter. You may proceed with asking your
own question.
Peter: I don’t know whether my question has any relevance to the
discussed topics, although it might. It relates to Your statement as
recorded in the Gospel of Matthew 10:34-36: ‘Do not think that I came to
bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I
have come to “set a man against his father, a daughter against her
mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a ‘man’s
enemies will be those of his own household.”’ Could You shed some light
on that statement which seems to contradict anything about Your being
the Prince of Peace, for example. If You are the Prince of Peace, how
come You stated that you came to this world not to bring peace but the
sword; that is, a terrible division amongst all on this planet? What is this
all about?
The Lord Jesus Christ: I will gladly do so, Peter. And yes, even though
at first glance, it is not obvious whether there is a connection between
this statement of Mine and the topic discussed above; nevertheless, you
would be surprised to learn that there is a direct connection between
them.
Consider these facts: In what way was life in the negative state, that
other life, established in the lives of all creatures, sub-creatures, humans
and all others, fabricated by the pseudo-creators? Without any
knowledge and information about the nature of life in the positive state.
This was a necessary arrangement if true and any learning about other
life other than the life of the positive state could come to its fruition. If
those fabrications of the pseudo-creators were to know even the least
significant aspect of the nature of life of the positive state, theoretically
speaking, — although in this life nothing insignificant exists, — it would
be impossible to establish any other type of life. Under these conditions,
no one would desire or want to participate in any other type of life. As
the members of the positive state before the activation of the negative
state had no knowledge about anything which was not true, so the
fabrications of the pseudo-creators, by analogy, could have no knowledge
about anything that was really true. Only based on such an arrangement
could any true, genuine and uncontaminated learning occur. At the same
time, as you remember, Peter, in order that any other life other than the
life of the positive state could take hold also in the lives of the pseudo-
creators, it was mutually agreed that they would erase their own
memories about anything related to the life of the positive state so that
they would have no desire to revert back to that life. Again, with full
memory about that life, the pseudo-creators could not properly establish
the life of the negative state because they would be motivated to go back
into that life and, at the same time, they would inadvertently transfer
that knowledge and experience into the lives of their fabrications. With
such knowledge and experience, the establishment of life of the negative
state would fail miserably from its very onset. In that case, the true
learning about non-truth and consequently, about truth as well, and also
about the Absolute State, would come to naught. Because of that, the
sentient minds would continue to be plagued by doubts and uncertainties
about the true nature of their own life.
So, as you see from this description, in order to make this crucial and
vital learning come to its fruition, it was necessary to temporarily
eliminate all memories and experiences about anything related to the life
of the positive state. Thus, after the activation of the negative state, and
after the life of the negative state was fully established, before My First
Coming on planet Zero, no one in the negative state and on planet Zero
had known about not only what the real truth was all about but also
what the entirety of the positive state was about. As you see from this
situation, here you have a reversed situation as compared with the
situation existing before that time in the positive state. Whereas in the
positive state, up to that point, no one had any knowledge of what the
non-truth was all about; in the negative state the situation was reversed
in the sense that no one had known before My incarnation on planet Zero
what the truth was all about.
How does all this relate to My statement, quoted by you, Peter, above?
Consider this: What would really happen if, under the then-existing
conditions on planet Zero, called in that text ‘earth,’ I would bring its
inhabitants, as well as to all inhabitants of the negative state, peace? Not
having any knowledge about the true life and its truth, as well as about
the Nature of God — My Nature, without any prior revelation about
anything related to My Truth and about the nature of the positive state,
by the factor of the nature of peace itself, I would confirm and fully
permanently grounded them into their own pseudo-reality of the pseudo-
life of the negative state and human life. In that case, all inhabitants of
the negative state and planet Zero would be locked up in their current
condition to eternity. Once confirmation, acceptance and acknowledg-
ment of anything happens from the position of My Absolute State, by and
from the factor of My being Absolute Peace, that ‘anything’ becomes its
permanent state. In that case, it cannot be eliminated ever.
For that reason, as you remember, I came to this world as Truth. And not
only as some other aspects of this Truth, but the Truth that combats all
evils and falsities and that reveals their true nature to someone who has
no knowledge, no understanding, no discernment and no nothing about
anything related to the real truth. This aspect of My Truth corresponds
to the meaning of the word ‘sword.’ In the spiritual connotation of the
word ‘sword,’ it signifies to bring into everyone’s life the truth of the
matter and by that truth, the exposure of the true nature of the life of the
negative state and the nature of human life. Thus, I brought to this
planet and to the negative state the truth that combated ignorance and
no knowledge related to anything of the positive state and all aspects of
what is its truth or its true life. Because the pseudo-life of the negative
state was rooted in evils and falsities, considered by everyone in it to be
good and true, bringing sword to them signifies to bring all the means for
exposure of the true nature of the negative state and for effectively
combating and eliminating all their evils and falsities.
That a man would be put into a position to be against his father, in this
connotation, signifies the following: A man denotes the original state of
all those who activated the negative state, as well as all those who were
fabricated originally from the energies and material which were
separated from the energies and material taken out of the positive state.
In those energies and material, as you remember, Peter, were encoded all
necessary ingredients of My positive state and the presence in them of
My genuine Nature. That this man was put into a position to be against
his father signifies that, at one point in time, everyone in human life and
in the life of the negative state will recognize how, why and by whom the
negative state was activated and put into its pseudo-motion. This ‘how,’
‘why’ and ‘whom’ is designated here by the word ‘father.’
That a daughter will be against her mother signifies that all former
aspects of the nature of the negative state, subsumed by the name ‘evils,’
which by the process of activation and putting into dominance the life of
the negative state were given birth, will rise against this arrangement
and will dispense with the feeding source of their pseudo-lifestyle,
designated here by the word ‘mother.’
That the daughter-in-law will be against her mother-in-law denotes that
all derivatives and consequences of the birth of all evils will likewise
dispense with everything related to their own feeding source, designated
here by the word ‘mother-in-law.’
That ‘a man’s foes will be those of his own household’ signifies here that,
at one point in time, when everything related to the pseudo-life of the
negative state will come to its fulfillment, and when the final learning
about everything that is not true is completed, the realization will come
to all participants in the negative state and in human life that what they
considered to be the true life, that is to say their own life, designated
here by the words ‘his own household,’ is, in actuality and factuality, not
a true life but only an illusion and fraudulence of life. Therefore, the
realization will come to everyone that their kind of life is man’s worst
enemy and foe. From the position of this most vital realization, the
comparison of their pseudo-life and the true life of the positive state will
be fully achieved and following that, everyone in the positive state and in
the negative state and in human life will know with absolute certainty
what the real truth is and what the non-truth is as well. This realization,
based on this comparison, will lead to the final, most important choice —
to choose only the life of the positive state and to choose complete
rejection of anything contained in the pseudo-life of the negative state.
By this act, the permanent elimination of the negative state will take
place. Now everyone will know for sure that true life can and may
originate only in the Absolute State — Me, the nature of which is
absolutely positive. By knowing that, everyone will know what the
Absolute State is all about. This is the true meaning not only of the
quoted text, but among many other things, also the true meaning of My
First Coming on planet Zero. Hence, the need to bring sword on this
earth instead of peace. And this is the mentioned connection between
your question, Peter, and the topic of our initial discussion.
Peter: Thank You very, very much for this meaningful and logical
explanation. Is there anything else that You would like to talk about
today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter. Just briefly: As you have been
walking with our Lyudmila and by yourself in the streets of Moscow, and
watching and observing its inhabitants, you have noticed a striking
phenomenon. Looking at the faces of all the bywalkers, you realized that
there was something very wrong with the expression of their faces and
their eyes. At first, you couldn’t put your finger on what you really saw in
them. Then, it suddenly hit you that those faces and those eyes were
utterly empty, as if they lacked any true life in them. They were totally
dispirited, as if no spirit and soul were present in them. In other words,
it was impossible for you to detect anything truly spiritual or positive in
them. This phenomenon, observed by you, Peter, is a reflection of a total
depletion of anything truly and genuinely spiritual in the lives of
humans on planet Zero. Because you have been walking in the midst of
the city where the stronghold of the renegades was established, it is only
logical to assume that deterioration and elimination of anything truly
spiritual would occur first in this place. One of the many reasons for your
visiting Moscow, was to bring this factor to your attention, Peter. Your
experience in this respect, is an indication of how the entire humanity on
planet Zero will end. Gradually, as My representatives and everyone
positive, one by one, will be leaving this planet, no one will remain on it
that will have any notion about anything truly spiritual or have even a
desire or need to know it or to strive for it. The extreme factor of
externalization and preoccupation with the material, monetary and
physical aspects of their lives, will set in completely and will dominate
their lives to the fullest possible extent. All remaining humans will
become the way you have observed on the streets of Moscow, Peter.
This is a good illustration and demonstration of how the negative state
could pseudo-win on planet Zero — one of the many possible scenarios.
As My representatives, and everyone positive, one by one, will be leaving
this planet by natural means, the only ones who will remain on it would
be the agents of the negative state. Having no one any longer present on
this planet from the positive state, and having all typical humans
transmogrified into full-fledged agents of the negative state, together
with all the original agents of the Hells, by the factor of the nature of
their lifestyle, the negative state would fully establish its domain on this
planet without any traces or signs of anything positive and good. In this
status of its domain, the final learning about its nature, as a fully chosen
lifestyle by everyone’s free will and choice, would take place. Thus, it
would reach its pinnacle beyond which nothing would exist that could be
learned from it. It will be at that point in time that everything that we
discussed in this Dialog, as well as in the Eighty Ninth Dialog, will come
to its realization. Now, Peter, you are winding down your stay in
Moscow, Russia; and soon, you will be embarking on your trip to Slovakia
and the Czech Republic. For that reason, I would recommend that, with
this Dialog, we finish our dialoging for now until an opportune time.
Intuitively, you will know when to resume our dialoging. In the
meantime, have a marvelous time here in Moscow with Lyudmila and
Victor, as well as everywhere you’ll go. I am with you.
Peter: Thank You so much, so much for everything, my Lord Jesus
Christ.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
