NINETY FOURTH DIALOGUE

August 5, 1999, in Prague, Czech Republic

Peter: This morning I would like to continue in presenting to You some other questions as posed by Marko Mihálik and my brother Ivan. However, I would like to yield to You first should You have anything to contribute for our consideration this nice and sunny morning.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for yielding this time to Me so that I could talk first. Yes, it is proper and timely to respond to the questions posed by Marko and Ivan. However, before we go into answering their questions, I would like to return to the topic of the Ninety Third Dialog, which, among other things, dealt with the issue of My foresight and awareness of the nature of the negative state and whether it was within Me; as well as with the issue of how really real the negative state and human life are, as seen or experienced from the position of My Absolute Reality and the reality of the positive state or the true Creation.

As you remember, it was indicated in that Dialog that, for all practical purposes, in the true reality of the positive state or in My Creation, it is as if the negative state doesn’t exist at all. From their position, the negative state, and its end product — the human life, is only an illusion and appearance of the true reality but not reality in itself and by itself.

As you also remember, this perception of the negative state and human life created a considerable problem for all concerned with the pseudo- being and pseudo-existence of the negative state and human life. The problem was in the fact, that if the negative state and human life are not contained at all in the true reality of being and existence, and if for all practical purposes it doesn’t exist, then how do you go about its elimination? And not only that, but how can you learn anything about that other pseudo-life, other than the life of the positive state, if in reality it is only an illusion and appearance of the true life?

Do you see from this question a serious philosophical and spiritual dilemma which this situation established?

Peter: Yes, very clearly. And I am wondering: How was this dilemma resolved?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, here comes the issue of My incarnation into the human life and via it into the negative state or other regions of the Zone of Displacement. The pseudo-existence of human life, in the scheme of events of any life, can be conceived as a blink of an eye. In the reality of the eternal life and its eternal continuation, from the position of its discreteness, in a non-time and non-space setup, anything of the nature which is equated with the human life, its continuation doesn’t last longer than a blink of an eye.

However, when you are inside of the linearity of that one blink, within its own occurrence, for those who are positioned within that blink, the time flow is so slow that it seems to all participants in it as though it has always been and it always will be. This condition needed to be established in order to give humans a sense of their own reality and continuation. And not only that but, as you know from the nature of human life, the impression which was given to humans was that no other reality exists at all or if it does, it is no different than what they have and experience.

Consider this fact: There are millions of humans, for example, who claim very seriously that no other life exists at all but only the human life; and that following anyone’s death, the life for that one ceases to be and to exist and that one no longer has any chance to continue in his/her life somewhere else. Another extreme in this case is a claim that humans continuously reincarnate on this planet into the human life in order to continue in their human life. Still, another extreme was proposed by Swedenborg, when he seriously claimed that anyone at all who lives in the spiritual world, at some time or another, was in human life and that therefore, humans are seedlings from which all other creatures in the positive state are derived.

So, as you see from this example, humans are in a very peculiar position which doesn’t allow them to physically see or hear or perceive the being and existence of the positive state or of any other dimensions as well as any places and states of the Zone of Displacement and its Hells. As you know from My New Revelation, humans were purposefully isolated into their own pseudo-life so that no direct physical contact was made available to them with anyone or anything else elsewhere — outside of the human life. This was a necessary arrangement in order to illustrate the nature of life which has no tangible and concrete perception of any other type of life or pseudo-life.

But let us go back to the issue of non-reality and illusion of human life and the negative state in general. How do you connect anything at all in the positive state and in My Creation in general to the pseudo-reality of human life and the negative state in order for any learning about its nature and what never to choose to occur? As you remember from the Corollaries…, it was indicated there that anything which is taking place in the human life and in the negative state in general is completely incomprehensible to them because it is like hieroglyphs to them. No wonder that it is like hieroglyphs to them, without any meaning, if the negative state and human life, in fact, are only an illusion and appearance of the true reality but not reality in itself and by itself.

In order to circumvent this situation, as you remember, throughout the entire history of the pseudo-being and pseudo-existence of the negative state and human life, I have continuously maintained My special agents — all of you who read these words and all other agents of My positive state, who functioned as translators for My positive state of everything which has been happening or has been taking place within that blink of an eye — which is the human life and the negative state. By this function of all My translators, the pseudo-reality of the negative state and human life was brought to the attention of all in My Creation in such a manner as if it was the true reality as well. By this factor, and by this ability, by the means of this continuous translation, all in My Creation could learn everything that they needed to learn about the nature of the negative state and human life. This is how the problem with the non-reality of the negative state and human life was resolved.

However, in this setup, non-awareness of the true reality of the positive state and My Creation in general continued to plague those who were situated in the negative state and in the human life. And not only that, the translation was directed to all others in My Creation but not directly to Me personally. Only indirectly was I in contact with the negative state and human life by the means of My being in those who were continuously receiving this translation. This situation was a serious liability because it didn’t allow Me to directly control and direct the destiny of all those who trapped themselves in the negative state and in human life. As you know, originally, the control and government of the pseudo-reality was given to those who established the negative state and human life.

On the other hand, as long as I had no direct participation in anything related to the negative state and the human life, for all practical purposes, in My Absolute Reality, they continued to be unreal — as if non-existent. As you remember, the negative state and its end product — the human life, were outside of Me or, symbolically speaking, behind Me. Should this situation continue indefinitely, or should I allow the negative state and the human life to stay in relationship to Me as it had been originally and initially, they would stay in their pseudo-reality indefinitely likewise. In that case, everyone who was situated in them, would be locked in their pseudo-reality forever without ever being able to recognize the illusion and appearance of their so-called reality. And not only that, but they would continue to be totally ignorant of anything at all which is contained in the positive state or in My true Creation in general.

The translators were translating from the position of the negative state and human life and they were illustrating the nature of their pseudo-life by their own examples. For that reason, by and large, they could not very well convey to humans and other creatures of the negative state what the positive state or My true Creation were all about. In truth, humans and other creatures of the negative state were totally ignorant about anything related to the positive state and My Creation in general. From their position, before My incarnation into the human life, they assumed that the positive state either didn’t exist at all or its nature was exactly the same as of the negative state and human life. And not only that, but they had no awareness that they were in the negative state.

As you are aware from previous Dialogs, it was indicated there that, in order for the negative state and its human life to have a chance to prove its point and to establish its own brand of pseudo-life, for the purpose of comparison, it was necessary to eliminate any memories about how things were in the positive state or that even the positive state existed at all; and if it existed at all, it was no different from the life of the negative state and the human life.

To rectify this situation, and to establish a condition under which the pseudo-realty of the negative state and human life could be eliminated once and for all, and everyone in it could be saved, it was necessary for Me personally to enter human life.

Why was this necessary at all? Take into consideration this factor: In the true reality of My Absolute Being and Existence, because of its Absolute Positive Nature, nothing of the negative nature could be contained or experienced in Me. However, the relative beings initiated this negative state and human life. And not only that but they volunteered not only to establish the negative state and human life themselves but they also agreed to forget that initially they were of the positive state themselves and also what the positive state looks like or is like. Because they could not remember anything about these facts, and because the function of the translators was different than to bring these facts to their attention — after all, the translators themselves didn’t know why and how the negative state and human life were activated and put into their own pseudo-being and pseudo-existence — it was necessary for someone who knew and remembered about all these things to bring all these factors to everyone’s attention.

As you know, I was the only one, and none other, Who knew and remembered everything about our mutual agreement and about My promise that this situation with the negative state and human life would be rectified in an opportune time. Now, the reason why it was not possible to accomplish this work from the position of My Old Nature, was because, as you remember, in My Absolute State and its Absolute Positive Reality, the negative state and human life didn’t exist. How could you do anything about them if they are not a part of your perceptual and experiential awareness and containment? For this reason, in order to fulfill My promise to all about this situation, I agreed to become a typical human Myself so that I could experience the nature of human life and the negative state in their completeness and fullness and also that I would be able to experience physically and factually the life of the negative state and human life exactly the way humans and creatures of the negative state do. Only by such an experience, the pseudo-reality of the negative state and human life could become as real to Me as to humans and creatures of the Zone of Displacement.

If I were to experience human life and life of the negative state from some other position but theirs, or from the position of My Old Nature, as you remember, it would mean to admit into My Absolute Positiveness something which is not of that positiveness. In that case, by their mutual exclusion, everything would perish. In order to avoid this most undesirable and ungodly-like outcome, it was absolutely vital that I would become a regular human and as a human would recognize and acknowledge the pseudo-reality of the negative state and human life as real. Notice, please, that I did so as a human and not as God. From the position of God, such experience would cause the total annihilation of everything human and of the negative state because nothing of the negative nature could survive the presence of God Who is Absolutely Positive.

This is the reason why I had to clothe Myself with human nature which contained all evils and falsities, or illusions and appearances, and from that position I could begin the process of incorporation and fusion of the human nature into My Godly Nature. Following its purification and cleansing from all evils and falsities, as you know, by the means of My Human Nature I acquired My New Nature which enabled Me to see, to hear, to sense, to perceive, to feel and to control all and everything that has been and will be happening in the negative state and the human life. Now the negative state and human life are as real to Me as to them. From this position, I will be able, when the time is right, to eliminate the illusion and appearances of the negative state and human life and to bring everyone out of them, placing them back where they belong — in My positive state. And this is all that I wanted to contribute this morning.

The topic of the above discourse has a direct relevance to Marko’s and Ivan’s questions. Go ahead, Peter, and ask their questions.

Peter: Marko is asking about the meaning of Your words which, at one point, You said to Your disciples: ‘And I gave you My example… .’ He wants to know what exactly You meant by those words. Ivan’s question relates to Your behavior and rebuke which You expressed to Your disciples when You warned them to be aware and to beware of the leaven of Pharisees. They interpreted Your warning not spiritually but literally, thinking that You were rebuking them for not remembering to buy bread for their physical sustenance. It was at this point that You almost got angry at them for not understanding about the spiritual significance of Your warning, reminding them about two cases of miraculous feeding of several thousand humans during Your teaching them about the reality of Your positive state and healing them from their infirmities. Any comment on these two issues?

The Lord Jesus Christ: Let us consider Marko’s question first. The answer to his question could be derived from everything that has been revealed so far in the three sources of My New Revelation and your books preceding them, Peter; also from what was revealed above.

Consider this factor: How do you bring to the attention of someone who has no knowledge, no discernment and no nothing about the nature of the positive state or how things are in the positive state? Remember, please, that no one, including My disciples, had any true knowledge or understanding about anything related to the true reality and nature of the positive state. At that time, the only thing they had was ritualistic and external procedures, as recorded in Moses’ law, which gave them some direction of how to be, how to behave and what to do. However, the content of that law was far away from the true reality of the positive state which is anchored in everyone’s internals and not in the externals as that law prescribed.

Another point in this respect was that Moses’ law contained important spiritual correspondences and symbolism which reflected the true reality of the positive state, differentiating between what the true reality was from what the non-reality of the negative state was. However, at that time, no one had the key or even the remotest knowledge that anything of the internal, spiritual nature was hidden or contained in that law. As you know, it was not until Swedenborg wrote his Arcana Coelestia, when the secrets of correspondences, contained in Moses’ law, were explained, or one of their aspects was revealed, that their meaning was made available to you. At the time of My incarnation on planet Zero, when I clothed Myself with the human nature, the state of extreme externalization was the prevailing mode of life. No one knew anything about the state of internals and that the true reality of the positive state, or the Kingdom of God, is within everyone and not without everyone.

Under those conditions, because of the external factors which ruled human life, the only way you could convey to humans anything about anything was by behavioral external examples. This is the only way anything is understandable to anyone whose life is rooted in the state of externals. Don’t ever forget about one important fact: The true reality of the positive state or My Creation in general is anchored in the state of everyone’s internals. Do you remember how the negative state was activated and thus, how the illusions and appearances did come to their adverse fruition? They came about by receding from the arrangement of the true reality of My Creation and, symbolically speaking, by stepping outside of the state of internals, turning their back on them, and placing everything and all values into the state of externals. And because in the true reality externals do not exist, it was necessary to fabricate an illusion and appearance as if they do exist. Once you situate yourself in their position, they become for you the only reality you know. In that moment you will close any access to your internals and because of that, you simply deny that anything internal even exists.

During My incarnation on planet Zero, it was necessary for Me to begin from the position in which human life was vested — from the externals. In that position, the only thing that anyone would be able to understand anything about anything, was by the way I behaved toward them and especially toward My disciples. By My behavior, I was setting an example for them of what it is and how it is to be positive, showing them the way to their internals and, thus, to My positive state. Hence, ‘I gave you My example or an example or examples’ how to be, how to think, how to feel, how to will, how to behave and how to relate to others and to themselves.

That it was a tremendously difficult task for anyone to accomplish, including My disciples, and to acquire the proper understanding of the true spiritual reality, rooted in their internals, was very obvious from the event Ivan’s question relates to. What was happening here? On two previous occasions, as I was teaching and healing the multitude, I asked My disciples to feed those people physically. All day they were fed spiritually but by the late afternoon, they also became hungry physically. In order to restore the proper balance, I indicated to My disciples that it was necessary to provide for them some physical or external sustenance. Because the gathering of that multitude happened far away from any inhabitable place where they could buy some food, in fact, it happened on a desert, it was necessary to feed them right on the spot where they were. And yet, as you remember, only a few loaves of bread and some small fish were available for their feeding. So, as I asked them to position themselves in an orderly fashion, I blessed that bread and that fish and gave them to My disciples and they distributed them amongst all the people who were with Me in the desert. Not only were they all fed, but still several baskets of bread remained and were gathered. This event has a tremendously important spiritual significance. Of course, it eluded not only My disciples, but everyone present. A special connection between the internals and externals, or between the reality of the positive state and illusions and appearances of the negative state was being established and illustrated. Also, an example was shown how the life of humans and the creatures of the negative state depends on the true reality of the positive state, and in an ultimate sense on Me — the Absolute Life and Its Absolute Reality. Who was feeding the multitude and by what means? The multitude was representing the negative state and human life which can be sustained only by something which is coming directly from Me and My positive state. Its illusion and appearances are possible only because the true reality of My Absolute Being and Existence always is.

At the same time, the sequence in which the feeding was taking place and how it was arranged illustrates the proper procedure by which the life of the positive state and, in their case, return from illusions and appearances to the true reality of the positive state, could be accomplished. Notice please, the sequence here: First, all day they are fed spiritually — by My teaching. Spiritual feeding is feeding of their internals, which by the process of their feeding are being opened, giving them access to their internals for the first time. It took all day to do that. To take all day signifies until everything in the negative state and human life fulfills its purpose and the opening of their internals and everything related to them takes place. Following that, a proper arrangement is made for all of them to be fed physically, satisfying the needs of their externals. The process of arrangements signifies putting everything in the human life and the negative state in proper order so that it could be permanently eliminated. The subsequent feeding them with bread and fish symbolizes giving them for the first time the true knowledge of what good and truth are all about. It also signifies the incorporation and subsuming of the externals into the state of internals, by the process of purification through the act of physical feeding with bread and fish — good and truth — so that a unification of the externals — which were separated, isolated and closed off from the internals — with these, the internals could take place. The gathering up of the remaining bread and fish into several baskets signifies that the good and truth of My Nature is inexhaustible and is always available to everyone who is willing to listen to Me and to follow the examples of My behavior (I gave you My example) in their own everyday life.

Now, all these things were represented by the above described two events. And yet, despite all of these facts, My disciples were still blind and rooted so much in the literal and external way and mode of thinking and life in general, that when I warned them to beware of the leaven of Pharisees, they disregarded the two important experiences they had with Me during the above mentioned feeding, and interpreted My statement in a typical human fashion and not as being aware and beware about the false and distorted teachings of philosophy or pseudo-spirituality of the Pharisees. My reaction to their blindness, ignorance and incomprehen- sion of the spiritual reality was from a typical human standpoint in order to give them a taste and show all in My Creation, who were watching and observing everything that I did and how I behaved, how it is to be a human and what it means to react from a typical human position — impatiently and frustratingly. When you are subjected to such obvious miraculous examples and yet, no matter what, you still are unable to make proper conclusions and derive from them all other meanings, contained in their nature and what they are telling you, how could you react otherwise than with frustration and impatience? It is at points like these, that from the position of My Human Nature, I was saying something like, ‘how long I will suffer you or how long I have to be with you.’ The frustration of statements like that is obvious. It illustrates the tremendous difficulties that humans and creatures of the negative state have in seeing things behind the scene and not at or on the scene.

Take another example in this respect. I was walking with My disciples through a country which belonged to gentiles. When we wanted to stay there, the inhabitants of that region refused to accept us because we were Jews. So, what was the very first impulse of My disciples to that rejection? They asked Me if I wanted them to bring fire from heaven so that those inhabitants could be burned into cinder and thus, wiped out from the face of the earth. Again, they behaved from the position of self- exclusiveness and isolation of the Jews from all others, representing the isolation and self-exclusiveness of all members of the negative state and humans proper. In other words, they reacted from the position of the negative state, being in the negative state. What did I answer to them? ‘You don’t know what kind of spirit you are. For I came not to destroy but to save all of them.’ I am paraphrasing this statement.

Once again, I was setting up an example of the proper behavior and lifestyle ingrained in the very nature of My positive state and in My Own Nature. This particular example indicates very clearly that no matter what and no matter who, in the negative state and in human life, everyone in them is subject to My salvation and liberation from their illusions and appearances. But it also shows you not to judge and condemn anyone no matter how bad and evil they are, because their evilness, badness and wrongs are, in an ultimate sense, only appearances and illusions clothed in the pseudo-reality of their assumptions and beliefs that they are real and factual. Within that blink of an eye, in which the human life and the negative state run their course, they are real, tangible, factual and experiential but outside of it they have no place or reality. Therefore, do not judge so that you are not judged by your non-consideration and blindness the way My disciples occasionally were.

As My true representatives, you were humbly asked by Me to take over the exemplification of the way My Nature and My positive state are. This is one of the many important reasons why during this shift, which has been taking place for some time and which will be taking place for some time to come, you were positioned in the midst of the positive state while physically still situated in the negative state and its end product — human life. Again, I gave you My example. Follow it! And this is true not only in relationship amongst those of you who are connected to My New Revelation but also to all others who are blind, maimed, insane, foolish, illusional, delusional and who live in distortions, falsities and evils. And this is all that needed to be said today.

Peter: Thank You very much for this meaningful elaboration. Is there anything else that You would like to talk about today?

The Lord Jesus Christ: No, Peter, this should be enough for today. Go in peace.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 1.

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