To read aloud
NINTH DIALOGUE
January 2, 1999
Peter: Before proceeding with the questions, is there anything else You
would like to add to the issues raised in the Eighth Dialog?
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter. I would like to offer clarification on
the issue raised by one of My most analytical, faithful and loyal servants,
Dan in New York. In discussing the issue of mercy and forgiveness with
you — when it is being offered to someone who asks you for it but, in
essence they are not sincere about it, and inwardly have no desire or
intention to change, Dan correctly concluded that the reason why it is
desirable to proceed with that offer, is because from your relative
condition, it is impossible for you to know exactly whether that
individual means it or not.
However, let us assume for a moment that you know with 100% certainty
that the individual in question isn’t sincere in his/her request for your
mercy and forgiveness. The only way you can base your opinion in this
respect is on his/her past behavior. That behavior indicates to you that
the individual in question is not motivated and does not have any
intention to change or amend his/her ways. What do you do in cases like
that? Consider this: Seventy times seven times that individual didn’t
mean it at all and continued in his/her negative and/or criminal behavior.
But, how do you know if on the seventy seven times seventy seventh time
he/she finally wouldn’t decide from the bottom of his/her heart to change
and amend his/her ways? Remember Apostle Peter and his question, and
what My answer was in this respect? In cases like these, you have two
choices. Both can be erroneous. You either err on the positive side or on
the negative side.
From the spiritual standpoint it is more profitable and righteous for all
concerned to err on the positive side, rather than on the negative side.
Should you err on the negative side, you become a target for the negative
state. In that case, you failed to illustrate to the negative state that, as
an agent of the positive state, you would rather let that criminal go
without an opportunity to be punished than make an error in judgment
about his/her intention and motivation. This is nicely reflected in the
American criminal justice system’s requirement that ‘you are innocent
until proven guilty.’ Don’t you think that it is better to let several
criminals off the hook, to use your figure of speech, at least temporarily,
rather than punish one innocent person unjustly? In our case, it would be
a person that really means to change and amend his/her ways. Or would
you like to go by the negative state’s principles, as reflected in the
criminal code of the non-democratic countries, especially in the
communist governments, that state ‘you are guilty until proven
innocent?’ Of course, in the negative state, and in those countries,
everyone is guilty, no matter what, and therefore, everyone deserves
punishment and retribution. It is their delight and pleasure to punish
people and cause them to suffer.
Don’t forget the fact that when a criminal gets off the hook permanently,
it only means that the choice was made to be punished and receive
his/her retribution somewhere in the Hells — after departing from planet
Zero. Is this clarification satisfactory to you and Dan?
Peter: To me, yes, without any reservation. Remember when I worked in
one of the California prisons as a clinical psychologist? My tendency was
always to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter how much I knew
that they didn’t mean it one bit. As You know so well, my attitude in this
respect led to some very unpleasant consequences discussed in Update 20
of the Corollaries... . Of course, I don’t know at the point of this
recording whether it will satisfy Dan or not. I am quite positive that,
being so analytical, he will come up with something.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter. And if Dan comes up with
something in this respect, it will only mean that there is a spiritual need
to offer further clarification. In that case, it is proper and right to do so.
Peter: But what about the issue of self-defense raised by Dan? This issue
is also so much in the heart of our Richard Schumert in San Francisco.
The Lord Jesus Christ: There are two aspects to this issue that need to
be clarified for them and you, Peter. The first one relates to the offensive
mode of the negative state which is in a constant war against the positive
state. As you know, up to this point, the negative state has always been
in the attacking position. Its desire to destroy the positive state and take
control of the entire Creation is a well-known fact. This situation also
applies to you personally. Being that you are agents of the positive state,
by virtue of that fact, you are subject to such attacks in a general sense
— as the result of an all-out attack by the negative state against the
positive state. If the positive state, as well as you, were to fail to defend
itself in this respect, the negative state would win. But the question is:
By what means does the positive state accomplish its effective self-
defense? What is it that makes the negative state so afraid, so miserable
and so defensive instead of offensive? In their wisdom, the members of
the positive state pour into the negative state the light and warmth of
My Absolute Unconditional Love, Wisdom, Mercy, Forgiveness and
Compassion. In the moment it hits its attacking crew, they fall into such
anguish that they throw themselves headlong back into one of their Hells
in order to avoid becoming aware of the misery and anguish of their
negative state. In other words, they bring a horrible punishment and
retribution upon themselves for their attacks or, in our case, for their
criminal behavior. It is not I, nor any of My agents, that cause that
punishment or retribution, but they themselves trigger this by their
negative and evil attitude and behavior.
The second issue in this respect is the issue of your own attitude and
motivation regarding your own personal self-defense against the
criminality of any prospective individual. The wisdom of your love
requires you to restrain such a person from committing any criminal, evil
or negative acts in general, not only against you but against anyone. But
do you do that for your own sake only, for the sake of your own selfish
motivation, for the sake of your own need to see someone being punished
in order to satisfy your own ego? Or do you do it for the sake of that
person, as well as, most importantly, for the sake of all because it is,
after all, the right thing to do? This is what makes it so fundamentally
different, and what determines the outcome of the whole issue of the
rightness and the need for self-defense. If you do it for the sake of all, for
the sake of that person and consequently also for your own sake, so as to
not succumb to the viciousness of the negative state criminals who attack
you and the positive state, which is represented by you, then, you have
all the right, duty and responsibility to do so, utilizing whatever means
are available in your society for such self-defense. At the same time, you
are in constant readiness to offer that person your mercy and
forgiveness, should he/she ask you for it.
Let Me tell you, Peter, it is not easy for a true representative of My
positive state to see anyone punished, no matter what they did or didn’t
do. If someone’s life is rooted in pure love, compassion, understanding,
acceptance and empathy, that one doesn’t want to see anyone suffer or be
punished. However, the wisdom of that love and all its attributes,
recognizes the need for such negative acts to take place as a deterrent
against the hurt and harm that the punished person is liable to commit
against others and ultimately, against himself/herself. Because of that,
for the sake of salvation and justice for all in the negative state and on
planet Zero, such punishing and retributive acts are permitted and
tolerated to occur. Remember please, they are not willed, they are not
desirable, they are not imposed and they are not supported by Me or by
anyone in the positive state. They are only permitted and tolerated until
the end of the negative state’s pseudo-being and pseudo-existence. And
because all of you, connected to My New Revelation, are agents and
representatives of My positive state, you ought to exhibit a similar
understanding and attitude about this issue in your behavior and
lifestyle. This is important!
Peter: Thank You for this beautiful clarification.
The Lord Jesus Christ: It is My pleasure, Peter, My pleasure.
Peter: And now some questions posed by our Rosemarie. The first
question relates to the issue of the consumption of alcohol and its effects
on human beings and positive agents here on planet Zero and why lately,
there seems to be an increase in consumption and pressure to consume.
The Lord Jesus Christ: As you know, Peter, alcohol is a highly
addictive agent which causes the alteration of one’s consciousness. In
other words, in its initial stage of consumption, it makes one high and
seemingly happy. It is not by coincidence that alcohol in general is called
‘spirits.’ This name reflects the fact that the negative state has no proper
spiritual foundation but is founded on distortions and outright falsities.
Thus, anyone who consumes alcohol is, in fact, attempting to reach into
their spiritual self or find the way to spirituality by an oblique and
totally inefficient manner. And not only that but if one consumes alcohol
for a longer period of time, one becomes addicted to it — ending in
becoming an alcoholic. In essence, alcohol consumption means replacing
true spirituality with a false one. What happens here is that any time
you imbibe even the smallest amount of alcohol, in any of its available
forms, you instantly open the doors to the negative state’s influence on
your brain and psyche. By this factor, the negative state is enabled to
implant in you its own versions of spirituality, its own ideas and feelings
and similar things that may become an integral part of your life. If this
happens, you become a full-fledged slave of the negative state.
This is the reason why it was very strongly recommended in one of the
Updates that you are to restrain yourself from using any type of alcohol,
even in the smallest amounts. It is a deterrent for you from being
influenced by the negative state. Unfortunately, the consumption of a
small amount of alcohol feels and is considered harmless and pleasurable
by some of you. Such an attitude is very spiritually dangerous for you
because gradually, slowly and almost imperceptibly, you will fall into the
trap of the negative state and you will become not only its target but its
slave — slave of the need to consume alcohol and dependent on it in all
your endeavors and decision-making processes. Once you are at this
point, your life becomes ruled by the principles of the negative state. You
will begin to see things differently in concordance with the needs to
justify and excuse your alcohol consumption, falling into the terrible
denial that you don’t have any problem in this respect. All your views,
concepts, ideas and understanding will be distorted or outright false —
without your realizing that they are distorted or false. You will self-
righteously consider them true, proper and correct. Do you see why
alcohol is such a favorable tool in the hands of the negative state? It is a
great means for them to exert its total influence on humans. It uses
humans to try to corrupt any agent of the positive state to join other
humans in their various parties during which, alcohol consumption is the
major event of the day. They even become demanding and forceful in this
respect, imposing the drinking on such an agent under the disguise that
he/she should be sociable and respectful of all participants in those
parties. By not participating in their drinking orgies, they want the
respective agent of the positive state to feel guilty, disrespectful and
unsociable. This is a trap set up by the negative state to catch the agent
of the positive state into its domain. You can say exactly the same thing
about nicotine and all other abuseable drugs.
A good excuse for people’s drinking, smoking and using illicit drugs, is
that this helps them to cope with the everyday pressures of life. They
don’t realize that just the opposite is true: Drinking, smoking and using
illicit drugs compounds the pressure, making it more unbearable and
pronounced, and causing them to want even more to drink, smoke and
use these illicit drugs.
But there is another point to this issue. It relates to the increased
consumption of alcohol, and other substances among some humans. This
situation reflects the depletion of any spiritual values in society and the
total failure of all religious systems existing on planet Zero to fulfill the
spiritual needs of their followers. Due to the lack of this fulfillment, these
humans feel empty inwardly and begin searching for some kind of
fulfillment or substitution. Because no religion or any current pseudo-
spiritual trend is capable of that fulfillment, they seek out its
substitutes. And what are better substitutes than ‘spirits,’ nicotine
and/or illicit drugs? They all temporarily alter one’s consciousness, giving
a false sense of transient fulfillment. They even have, under their
influence, some ‘great spiritual insights and enlightenment’ that gives
them the false impression that they finally have something in their life
which is truly spiritual, right and proper. After the influence of those
substances wears off, they become, once more, empty, even more empty
than before, falling into a horrible and unbearable craving to
reexperience whatever happened to them under the influence of the
previously consumed substances. This way the trap is nicely set. Now,
they become full-fledged slaves and followers of the negative state’s
pseudo-spirituality. Do you see what’s happening here?
Peter: Yes, very clearly. What about Rosemarie’s question about diet,
food and one’s spiritual state. She complains that food products are of
inferior quality, overprocessed, filled with preservatives, etc.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Food issues often have a similar meaning as
described above, regarding alcohol, nicotine and illicit drugs. In this
particular case, very often, food is a substitute for real love. Lack of
experiencing real love, which is so vital and needed for one’s life and
well-being, makes one feel empty and continuously hungry. So, food
becomes a means to satiate that hunger and need for love. Of course, the
fulfillment of that need is temporary and illusory. In that case, one needs
to eat more. Unfortunately, the more one eats, the more one becomes
hungry and the more one feels empty and unfulfilled. This becomes a
vicious cycle, leading toward the development of obesity.
Don’t forget for a minute about the spiritual correspondence of food. As
you need to feed your body in order for it to survive, so I continuously
feed your spirit and soul with My life, which they need for their own
survival. Lack of any such feeding leads to starvation and craving for
food. If it is not available, the body will die. If I were not to provide your
spirit and soul with My continuous life, your spirit and soul would not be
able to survive for a second.
The contamination of the food, with which you feed your body, by the
various foodmakers’ processing endeavors, reflects through
corresponding spiritual factors, the negative state’s attempt to
undermine My Life-Giving effort into all of you, so that instead, you
would be fed by the negative state’s ideas of its pseudo-life. If it were to
succeed in its effort to feed you with such ideas, you would die as far as
the positive state is concerned. Instead, you would be imbued with the
pseudo-life of the negative state.
The question of diet in this respect is not in what you eat but in your
attitude toward food in general. Is eating the only purpose of your life or
a means to keep your body healthy and alive so that your spirit and soul
may function properly and effectively within it? In this respect, you
shouldn’t concern yourself with anything else related to the food-
processing practices on your planet. After all, don’t forget an indisputable
fact; in the past, when no such food-processing was available, and from
your standpoint, food was considered clean and healthy, human life
expectancy on planet Zero barely exceeded 50 years. On the other hand,
at the present time, with all those preservatives or chemicals they put in
food products, life expectancy has increased considerably. Nowadays it is
not uncommon to live over 90 years. The average life expectancy on your
planet has increased considerably — from 50 to about 75 years. It is
almost a 25 year difference.
So, in this respect, you can eat anything that is available to you, or
anything you feel like (your body can tell you what you need, how much
you really need and what kind of food you should eat), as long as you eat
in moderation, in varieties and with the attitude that consuming food is
not the purpose and goal of your life in itself and by itself but only a
means toward fulfilling the duty and responsibility that you have toward
your physical body.
Peter: Thank You for Your response. The next question posed by
Rosemarie, and also in the past by some other readers, practitioners and
followers of Your New Revelation relates to parenthood. As You know,
many of them have small, as well as older, children. They would like to
know how they should proceed in the effort of rearing their children in
the light of Your New Revelation’s principles.
The Lord Jesus Christ: First of all, don’t forget the reasons for which
your children incarnated on this planet and the prior agreement you
made with them before your own incarnation. Many of your children are
agents of the negative state — especially those born after July 1, 1988.
You can assume correctly that from that date on, most of those born are
agents of the negative state. Nowadays, for some time now, only agents
of the negative state are born on your planet. This situation reflects the
condensation of the negative state and its impending pseudo-victory on
your planet. Because of these factors, the only way you can do anything
for your children is by your own living example, by illustrating and
demonstrating to them the mode of life of the agents of the positive state
and by making My New Revelation available to them in its entirety —
without any duress, forcefulness, demands or imposition. At the same
time, emphasizing to them the many choices they have regarding the
spiritual and non-spiritual issues in the life of planet Zero. Parallel with
that, teaching them — in a loving, kind, wise, and sometimes, firm
manner — discipline, order, respect and consideration for other humans’
needs to be the way they are. Besides that, and in addition to the above,
providing for their physical, mental and educational needs, as you agreed
to do, your duty and responsibility in this respect end right there. After
all, they have to fulfill their own purpose, the reasons for being on this
planet and particularly in your life. You can do nothing more in this
respect.
Peter: Her next, and final, question is too personal and should not be
answered through me. It relates to her experience early in her life, at the
age of seven, during which she had a vision of someone who appeared to
be Mary. She wants to know if it was the real Mary who warned her
about the danger of being involved with the Catholic Church, through
her involvement with a Catholic nun.
The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, this is a good example of the types of
questions that should never be asked through someone else. She should
personally pose that question to Me herself and rely on her intuition in
this respect. I would be more than happy to answer it for her in her own
private and personal state of communication with Me.
Peter: Thank You very much for all Your answers. Is there anything else
for today?
The Lord Jesus Christ: You are welcome, Peter. It is sufficient for the
moment. Go and have a pleasant day. And I thank you for your
willingness to dialog with Me.
Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PART 1.
