ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SECOND DIALOGUE

April 11, 2000

Peter: A few days ago I received the following question from Dan of New York: ‘How does the transition of a positive representative manifest for him/her at the time of departure from planet Zero? Not in the individual aspects, since these are always unique, but in the common, general aspects? For example, at the exact time we leave our body or just before, do we experience something wonderful and/or special not experienced by other humans in general, such as being greeted while still conscious here, or something like that? And also, what happens while in the so-called tunnel of light and just afterwards, when or after, we are received?’ If I am not mistaken this issue was extensively discussed, perhaps not fully relating to Your representatives, in Dialogs 15, 17, 18 and 19. Also, recently, I was, once again, preoccupied with some cosmological issues such as, for example, the differences between temporal-spatial continuum (the subjective mode of perception of reality) and non-temporal-non-spatial states and processes (the objective mode of perception of reality); as well as the controversy which exists among our cosmologists about what is going to happen to the so- called visible universe. Will the matter fall in on itself and the universe end in a fiery ‘Big Crunch’ or its expansion never ends, etc.? Also, the issue of the Big Bang theory is again on my mind. Do You think that we are ready to discuss some of these issues? Of course, as always, if You would like to contribute something to us from Your position, I would gladly give preference to anything You have to say to us.

The Lord Jesus Christ: I appreciate, Peter, your kind offer to Me to talk first. As you know, recently, you have been pondering about the reasons why the departed ones from planet Zero are unable to communicate directly with anyone on your planet. It seems as if they disappear without a trace and only your memories remain about their being here. Sure, there are some people who dream about them, or, in some cases, see them and communicate with them in their state of inwardness. However, these rare occurrences do not have necessary validity or a convincing certainty which would assure you that the departed ones from planet Zero to the spiritual world really continue in their being and existence, in their individual, unique, different and non- duplicable ‘I am’ with full preservation of their life, or being alive in the same manner, or, in fact, in a much better and fuller manner than they were while living on planet Zero in their physical bodies.

This fact places all kinds of doubts in the minds of humans about the possibility of life after death. And not only that, but based on the unavailability of any tangible and objective proof about the existence of the hereafter, some humans think that no other type of life exists and once you die, that’s it. You are no more to eternity. The question in this respect is: Why is it that no one, who passed away, is allowed to communicate with you directly, or in a convincingly tangible manner, regardless of where they go — to the true life of the positive state — heaven, or to the non-life of the negative state — hell?

There are many reasons for this need or this particular setup as related to the human non-life. Some of these reasons cannot be revealed at this time. Because of that we’ll concentrate only on those which will make perfect sense for you.

First of all, as you remember, planet Zero was placed in a place which was defined as no place and in time which was defined as no time. At least, in a sense, that which is considered to be time and space on planet Zero, is a distortion of time and space; or it can be defined as non-time and non-space. Because of this peculiar position, the rewiring of human’s sensory organs needed to be done in such a manner so as to bring them in alignment with the physical position of planet Zero. At the same time, the fabrication of the typical human sensory organs, the way they function and perceive things, were grossly limited in the scope of how, and to what extent, humans perceive anything at all. Because of this peculiar setup, human sensory organs are not equipped to see or to sense anything beyond the limits of their structural nature. All other dimensions, which are situated in true time and true space, as well as in the true state and true condition, in their perceptual abilities, see and perceive things and entities which exist only within their own state and condition.

Logically speaking, because planet Zero and the human perceptual or sensory organs function in something which was designated as non-time and non-space, and because they are not equipped to perceive anything at all which is outside of their sphere and limitations, for that reason humans are unable to discern the existence of anything at all which is not of their pseudo-world. On the other hand, sentient entities of other worlds, and those who departed from your planet and now live in those worlds, because their perceptual organs are accommodated to the real state/place and condition/time, and because humans are in non-time and non-space, they are unable to communicate with each other directly or in any convincing and tangible manner. What you have to understand in this respect, is that for those who live in the reality of state/place and condition/time, the non-space and non-time of humans and their planet is as if they do not exist. And the same is true for humans: Anything outside the scope of their perceptual abilities, or what their sensory organs allow them to perceive, does not exist at all. For that reason, they can neither see each other nor can they communicate with each other. For all practical purposes, in view of each other, neither of them exist.

Now, this setup can be considered as physical evidence for your inability to communicate with departed ones, or with anyone from other dimensions, in a direct and tangible manner. Such communications are possible only in a very limited sense, by the means of some kind of medium — dreams, visions in the state of mind of inwardness or by mediation through human mediums in a trance state. As mentioned above, none of these means have valid and convincing proof that departed ones truly continue in their full life beyond planet Zero. After all, it can be said that such means or abilities are the results of your own wishful thinking or projections of expectations of your own mind without any objective reality. From a physiological standpoint, because your brain contains vivid information about departed ones, from stored memories about them, you are able to recreate anything related to them. In that case, they are not the real departed ones with whom you communicate, but it is only your imagination and expectation about how they were while living on planet Zero, or how they should be in that other world, with whom you communicate.

However, this setup can be considered an outcome of the spiritual reasons for this inability and limitation to communicate with them in the true reality of their state and condition. It is only a consequence and not the initiation of this necessity. The spiritual reasons for this setup are what truly established such conditions with humans on planet Zero.

As you know, a very special reason exists why humans on planet Zero, with their planet, were put in total isolation and separation from everyone and everything else in other dimensions as well as in other pseudo-dimensions. As you remember from the Big Book, its Chapter 23, humans are not in the state of their ultimate choice. Thus, the true nature of the entirety of their pseudo-life or non-life on planet Zero can be found in the condition of its transience and temporality. Only in the state of the ultimate choice can permanency and unlimited continuation exist. Human pseudo-life is not the ultimate choice. As long as humans are in this situation, they cannot be influenced by any forces, situated or positioned somewhere else, so that they would not be put into a position of making the ultimate choice while they are still in human non-life. If something like that were to happen or could happen, humans would be forever locked in their human non-life. In that case they could never be saved. And because human non-life is the end product of the pseudo- creative effort of the forces of the negative state, anyone positioned in the non-life of the negative state, could not be saved likewise. In that case, the negative state with its human component would have to stay forever. If something like that were to be possible, the fullness and completeness of the positive state could not be established as well.

As you remember, human non-life is the illustration, manifestation and demonstration of what not to choose; how not to be; how not to behave; how not to relate; how not to conceptualize the spiritual principles and My True Nature; how not to believe; how not to worship; how not to make love or to love in general; how not to perceive and understand reality and anything at all; how not to live and function; and how not to do all other things of which human non-life consists. In order to illustrate, manifest and demonstrate these, and all other factors of human life, humans needed to be put into a special and peculiar state and condition which would enable them to do just that, without any influence from the state and conditions of the ultimate choices. So, because of that, if anyone would appear to them in a tangible and convincing manner from other dimensions or pseudo-dimensions, they would be forced to relinquish their illustrative and demonstrative condition and to accept something which was not originally in their agreement to be the way they are in the process of their non-life on planet Zero.

In other words, they would be forced to believe in and accept something not by their own free will and choice but by imposition and necessity of that particular experience, in this case, they would have to accept the fact that life continues beyond their human type of life (non-life). To experience something by imposition and necessity cannot be appropriated or attributed to anyone. It could not take hold in humans’ internals where it counts. It would be accepted only in their externals. In that case, the externals would become the only possible reality for humans to eternity. After all, if someone comes to you from without you, that without becomes its own reality apart from anything situated in within. In order to prevent this from ever happening, the only way any such communication is possible, in a very limited and restricted way, and only for a very few people, is in your own state of within. This manner of communication prevents lockup in the state of externals and thus, avoids the possibility of accepting something by imposition, necessity and no freedom of choice. As you know, the very nature of the state of within, is the state of free will and choice. Thus, any impositions and necessities are nullified in that state.

The other reason for humans’ limitations, separations and restrictions has a protective function for all those who are positioned in the true life of the positive state. Humans, by their very nature, like to impose their own views, opinions, expectations and everything they have and believe, on all others. Any communication with entities from other dimensions could cause them to be contaminated, polluted, poisoned and negatively influenced by the human mode of life or non-life. In that case, those sentient entities would have to accept the non-reality of human non-life as the true reality and as an integral component of the true life. By such an acceptance, they would validate something which has no validity in itself and by itself. Because of this accepted validity, they would have to internalize all aspects of human non-life into their own within. By doing that, they would refute the true life of the positive state, and they would become negative, falling out into the Zone of Displacement. At the same time, from the standpoint of humans, such an outcome would be detrimental for humans as well because, by that factor, they would lock themselves up in their mode of human non-life, being validated in their non-life as though they are in the true life. In that moment, they would be forced to accept their human non-life as the ultimate choice. Once you are in the state of your ultimate choice, nothing can be done to reverse that condition. Fortunately, such an outcome is not possible because, as you remember, such an ultimate choice would be made on totally false premises — human non-life is the true and the only possible life. Acceptance of anything at all on such false premises, can be nullified in its ultimate outcome because it is false. But it could postpone the being and existence of this cycle of time/state/process for quite a long time — beyond its original planning. So, as you see from this possibility, any tangible, concrete and factual communication with departed ones, or anyone from other dimensions, would be detrimental for all and not only for humans.

At the same time, the possibility of communication in a tangible, concrete and factual manner with inhabitants of the Zone of Displacement, was also prohibited, because, being that human non-life is the end product of the negative state, humans could be easily influenced by anything coming from that Zone, considering it as something which is true and the only thing feasible. Moreover, the forces of the negative state have the inordinate ability to impose their own mode of lifestyle (their own non-life) by force and dire persuasions, making humans believe that it is the true life of the positive state and that no other type of life is possible at all. To accept something like that would once again, lock humans into a position of no freedom of choice and they would have to accept their human non-life as the ultimate choice. In that case, the illustrative and demonstrative nature of human non-life would cease to be so, and humans would stop providing the necessary, crucial and vital learning about what not to choose, how not to be, how not to relate, believe, act, etc. By ceasing to function in this important role, humans would prevent everyone everywhere and everywhen from learning some other lessons, so far not illustrated and demonstrated, about these factors. However, such communication would be detrimental also for the inhabitants of the Zone of Displacement because, by imposing something on humans which is not supposed to be a part of human experiences, they would place themselves into a state of prolonged retribution and punishment for such acts.

Since we are talking about departed ones, we may as well address Dan’s question at this time. From the very onset of our answer to Dan’s question, let everyone be aware that absolutely nothing exists, in the process of experiencing moments of death, that would have any common denominator. The process of dying can be considered as one of the most intimate, private, personal, individual, unique, non-duplicable, non- definable and infinitely different processes which you can conceive. Because of that, they do not have any common denominator. Paradoxically speaking, their common denominator is that they have none. In order to be able to know, to feel, to sense and to experience what any individual goes through at such times, you would have to be that individual. And this is something which is impossible to achieve. Do they experience something wonderful, special and unusual no matter who they are (either My true representatives or someone else)? It all depends on their spiritual state and position at the time of their dying as well as on the mutual agreement (between Me and them) about what should be experienced by them at that time for the purpose of illustrating and demonstrating something very important by that process. Some of you may have such experiences and some of you will experience something else, indescribable in human words.

There is a great degree of spiritual danger in revealing something about this process. As you know, humans, in their typical human nature, which also is engrained in you, My representatives, have a very peculiar tendency to expect certain things to happen to them in the same manner and way as they happen to someone else. So, let us assume that I would be willing to describe in detail all steps and the exact experience during the time of someone dying like, let us say, Wilfred Grunau, who was/is My representative. What would happen in that case? Everyone who would read the words describing that process, would instantly engrain in his/her mind (consciously and unconsciously!) this particular experience and, based on that, and also, and most importantly, based on the fact that I, the true and only God, relating to you such an experience, would instantly fall into the expectation that he/she would have to experience exactly the same things as Wilfred did. There would be a danger of identifying oneself with such experiences, and based on that, there would be a need to project them into one’s own expectations. In other words, because of this identification, those expectations would have to come true also in his/her case. And here comes the spiritual danger. By projecting those expectations into the stream of one’s perception, such an individual would suppress and repress the important need of experiencing that process in his/her own intimate, private, personal, individual, unique, non-duplicable, non-definable and infinitely different manner and way.

In other words, such an individual would not only deprive his/her ‘I am,’ rooted in such experiences, to come true, but he/she would also deny who he/she is in the true essence and substance of his/her own being and existence. At the same time he/she would also deprive the entire Creation from learning something very important about that process which could be provided only and only by him/her and no one else. If this were ever to happen, such an individual would be in gross violation of the original agreement regarding this experience. The consequence of that violation could be very unpleasant for a long time to come. In order to prevent this from ever happening, it was provided by My Divine Providence that any experiences occurring at the moment of actual death, are concealed.

Is it possible that, at or upon your death or upon entrance into the spiritual world you could be greeted by someone who was close to you or someone else not of your prior pseudo-world? Well, some people are able to experience seeing someone coming for them a few seconds before their actual death. Others do not experience anything. Again, it all depends on the initial choices and agreement they made in this respect. Yes, after one’s resurrection, because it is performed either by Me personally or by My appointees, one is greeted and introduced to the other world by those who are performing the act of resurrection. They could have someone with them who is well-known and well-liked by the resurrected one in order to help him/her overcome the possible shock from being in a totally different and very little known world, and to make his/her transition comfortable and pleasant. The very moment of dying itself can be considered and perceived as the most mystical and ineffable experience.

Is there such a thing as the so-called tunnel at the end of which is brilliant white light? You can consider such a tunnel as a construct or correspondence of transition from one place/state to another place/state. The problem with this tunnel is in the fact that if someone experienced something like a tunnel at some time or other, that experience, because it initially occurred during the so-called near-death experience, and the individual in question returned back, was registered in everyone’s universal consciousness.

Moreover, if such an important experience was written down in human words and then published, and by that factor made available to all others, it becomes engrained into their mind so much that everyone else expects to have the same experience. So, they all expect to go through some kind of tunnel at the end of which is the mentioned light. Once again, here is the danger of expectations of how things would be in this respect. Because you expect that your experiences will be the same, you will fabricate your own illusions of the tunnel of light through which you will see yourself going to the other side.

However, the true reality can be very much different, especially for My representatives. It is more than likely that you will not have any experience of the tunnel. You also can find yourself being resurrected in your own room or place or somewhere where you liked to be. There are infinite numbers of possibilities in this respect and they are all connected to your own unique, intimate, private, personal, individual, non-duplicable, non-definable and infinitely different mode and manner in which you will go to the other side; as well as what happens once you are on that side. So, as you see from these facts, it would be utterly impossible to tell you what to expect at that time.

On the other hand, one of the major reasons why very little can be said about this issue, is in the fact that, as you remember from several previous statements, nothing is the same. This statement applies to a great degree also to this issue. Whatever people experienced in the moment of their physical death and shortly after their entrance into the other world up to this point, or until recently, has considerably changed and therefore, no analogy to such experiences could be established or considered. Something very new and very different is being introduced also in these types of experiences. Because they will be even more intimate, private, unique, personal, individualized, non-duplicable, non- definable and infinitely different than before, it would be inappropriate to describe what they would be like. In some ways, it is like predicting the future. For that reason nothing more can be said about this issue.

Peter: I appreciate very much Your input into these issues. And I thank You very much for Your willingness to put up with our questions.

The Lord Jesus Christ: It is My true pleasure, Peter. And now let us address your cosmological issues. These issues can be considered one of the most difficult ones to understand for your limited and limiting human mind. As you remember from Chapter 21 in The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ, one of the major and most important purposes for the creation of Creation into the state of its process, was for the sharing of everything which was contained in the Absolute Nature of the Creator. As you also remember, Creation itself was in the State of the Creator from eternity. It is its process that has not always been. In this particular position, because the Creator is positioned in non-time and non-space condition, the only mode of perception of reality is the objective one. Thus, anyone who was in the state of Creation, as it was contained in the Absolute Creator, before introduction of its process, had been in the objective mode as well.

In order to establish the most favorable conditions for the process of sharing to take place, it was necessary to shift the state of Creation into the process of Creation. As you know, the word ‘sharing’ means or requires reciprocity. If I want to give you something, you need to acknowledge that you are willingly receiving that something. Also, you need to indicate to Me whether you wish to share with Me everything that I am and that I have in your own relative condition. In order to make this sharing, reciprocity and feedback possible, it was necessary to introduce a different mode of perception of reality besides the objective one which is manifested outside of the time-space continuum. You need to create a sense of individual space and time, in which every individual is positioned in such a manner that he/she clearly perceives himself/herself as being somewhere and somewhen. In that position, such an individual establishes an important sense of being independent, in his/her own state, process, place and time. In this condition, he/she is able to perceive himself/herself as being outside of Me or apart from Me. This perception gives him/her an ability to make his/her own decision about the issue of sharing, reciprocity and feedback. Because in this condition such an individual perceives himself/herself as being somewhere and somewhen else than I am, a sense of distance between one point and another point appears and a sense of time is established during which something needs to happen in the relationship to that point in distance. And this is how the linear proceeding occurred. In this linearity is rooted the meaning of the subjective perception of reality. Now you have a sense that you are going from one point to another point and that it takes a certain time to travel the distance between two such points.

Let us say that you need to go somewhere which is positioned five miles from where you perceive yourself in your own place and time. If you walk those five miles, depending on how fast you are able to walk, it may take you one hour to reach that point. If you bicycle to that place, it will take you half the time as compared to your walking. If you drive a car at a permitted speed, it may take you only five minutes. However, if you travel some place far away, and if you take an airplane to reach that place, what would take you months or even years to get there if you were to walk or bicycle, would take you only a few hours. If your airplane is enabled to travel at supersonic speed, the six hour flight to New York for example, on a regular plane, would take only a couple of hours on the supersonic one. From these examples you can deduce how relative and subjective space and time are.

Can you imagine what would happen if you were to be able to travel from one place to another, a very distant place, by the speed of light? For example, to fly from Santa Barbara to New York at the speed of light would be an almost instantaneous occurrence. It would take only a fraction of a second. Now we are reducing the subjective time and space to such an extent that it almost approaches the nature of the objective mode of the perception of reality, in which things happen simultaneously and synchronously. Imagine, if you can, what would happen if you could travel with the speed of thought? Now, this kind of speed cannot be measured in the same manner as any other, even the speed of light. And the reason it cannot be measured is because it happens instantaneously. Let us say that you want to travel to some planet located in the Andromeda Galaxy. If you were to travel to that place at the speed of light, it would take you many millions of years. However, if you travel there with the speed of thought, you are there in the very moment you project in your thought process your desire to be there. It took no time and no space to find yourself at that planet. In this sense, by your thoughts you can be instantaneously at that planet, while physically, you are sitting in Santa Barbara in your own time and place. In this setup, you find yourself being in both places at the very same time. Or think about your past, present and future. In your thoughts you can be in all three positions at the very same time — in the past, in the present and in the future.

Thus, you can logically deduce from these facts, that your thoughts reside in the objective mode of perception of reality because they can be at the very same moment — simultaneously and synchronously — in many different places and times. However, in the moment you shift from thinking in this mode to self-feeling and self-perception, you find yourself in the mode of sequence, linearity, preceding and succeeding, which is your own subjective mode of perception. In this sense you can say that everyone located in the spiritual dimensions of the positive state travels from one point to another point by the objective mode — the speed of thought. For that reason, everything appears for them as if it is happening here-and-now. However, if necessary, at the same time, in order to give them a subjective and individual possibility of sorting things out as they happen in the here-and-now mode, they shift to the subjective mode in which they are able to discern all happenings as if they go from the past to the present into the future or as if one precedes the other and the other succeeds the previous one. And this is the closest approximation of how these two modes can be presented to human understanding and comprehension. It would be difficult to say more about it.

There is some limited awareness of how these two modes interact in theoretical quantum physics (or quantum mechanics) which deals with sub-atomic particles and sub-particles. Theoreticians of this particular science postulate something like the implicit order by which these particles operate. This hypothesis tries to explain the phenomenon of how it is possible that any changes in the function of one particle or sub- particle cause instantaneously and simultaneously exactly the same changes in a similar particle or sub-particle which is situated many millions of light years away. Somehow, the occurring changes are conveyed to the remote particle or sub-particle outside of time and space or bypassing time and space. If it were to take place in time and space, it would take many millions of years to impact those changes on the opposite side of the visible universe. So, as you see from this fact, even from the position of the pure science of quantum physics, you may postulate the existence of the objective and subjective mode, respectively, of perception and understanding of reality.

And now, let us address the purely cosmological issues. Did the Big Bang really happen? And if it did, and the physical universes of the physical multiverse came about by the means and process of this Big Bang, what is the outcome or the mode of ending of its being and existence? The problem of dealing with this issue is that you have two parallel factors — the real Creation and the pseudo-creation or the Zone of Displacement. The real Creation was the product of intense, unimaginably deep and profound love toward Creation. This love, in its true nature and intensity, can be compared to the most intense fire in its non-destructive connotation. From the position of this type of love by the process of its wisdom, a thrust was being exerted which separated My Creation from its eternal state in Me into its process of becoming apart from Me for the purpose of the above mentioned sharing, reciprocity and feedback. Through the corresponding meaning of such thrust or separation, because it was done by the fire of love, it could appear as an unimaginable huge explosion — the Big Bang, which gave birth to the physical multiverse with all its respective universes, galaxies, solar systems, planets, various celestial bodies and their respective inhabitants. So, in essence, this type of creation may appear as if it were initiated by such a Big Bang. In reality however, in the true reality of the process of this creation, it was the fire of love and the light of its wisdom which made the creation of Creation possible. From this position, you cannot deduce any Big Bang as the initiation of the creation of Creation. It was only an appearance, from the position of the human perception of this act, that such was the case. The fire of love, which ignites the process of the creation of Creation, cannot be a violent act. Such an act is inconsistent with the nature of this love and its wisdom.

On the other hand, how do you fabricate something which is entirely different from the true Creation and from the process by which the creation of Creation was accomplished? You cannot do it from the position of love because, in that case, it could not be different from something which was created by such love. For this reason, you fabricate that something, in this case, the Zone of Displacement, by something which is opposite to true love. You fabricate it on burning hate toward everything which is of pure burning love. Here you have the burning fire of hate as opposed to the burning fire of pure love. In this setup, in the process of separation of a certain chunk of matter and non-matter from the totality of that matter and non-matter, a violent act took place, and a real explosion was possible which gave an impetus to the proceeding of something which was called the anti-universe, or in our terminology, the Zone of Displacement.

The problem with your scientists-cosmologists is in the fact that what they measure or see is not the process of the creation of the real Creation but the process of fabrication of the Zone of Displacement. Moreover, their observation in this respect is limited only to the physical aspects of that fabrication but not to its other pseudo-spiritual aspects. However, recently, some scientists postulated that there is a possibility that the beginning of what they call Creation (in our terms, anti-creation), was not initiated by the Big Bang but by some kind of gradual process. So, as you see from these facts, the controversy about how the visible physical universe (anti-universe) came about continues unabated.

If you look at the entire explanation of how the creation of Creation happened from a typical human standpoint and from the standpoint of human science, then anything that they tell you about it is totally and completely distorted or false. And the reason for these scientific falsities and distortions is that, first of all, all their theories, hypotheses, surmises and scientific proofs relate only to what they call the physical universe. No other non-physical entities are taken into consideration by them. Because by the instruments of exploration which are available to them at the present time they can explore only the so-called physical universe, and because these types of instruments, and the scientific approach with which they judge everything, are unable to measure and ascertain the existence of any other types of universes, they inadvertently deny that anything else but the physical universe exists. The falsities of their conclusions stem from the fact that they assume that the causative factors of all events within their physical universe are derived from the function of that universe itself; while the true reality is that these causative factors are not implicit to that universe but they are originated from somewhere else — in this case, from the spiritual and intermediate universes.

Secondly, the falsities of their conclusions stem from the fact that what they consider to be the true Creation is, in fact, not the true Creation but the Zone of Displacement which is ruled by entirely different laws and principles (pseudo-laws and pseudo-principles) than the true Creation. And thirdly, their false conclusions stem from the fact that they look at these cosmological issues from the position of planet Zero. As you remember, this position makes it impossible for anything to be perceived, understood and apprehended in its true reality, the way it really is and not the way it appears to be. Because all their instruments and methods of observation and exploration derive from the elements of planet Zero, they can observe and see things, and based on that, make conclusions, only which are inherent in the nature of planet Zero and its position. Because that position distorts and falsifies the true reality of anything, any conclusions based on these factors, will be distorted and false. For that reason, anything you learn from your science, if it is outside of its sphere and condition, such as, for example, the cosmological conclusions, will be inherently distorted and false. In order to properly understand these issues, you have to bypass what your science postulates in this respect. Scientific conclusions can be applied, in a very limited sense, only to the structural nature of all things situated on planet Zero. Anything not related to the specificity of planet Zero’s setup, cannot be properly assessed by your natural science. This is the reason why so much controversy exists about various hypotheses, theories and postulates proposed by your scientists.

Take, for example, one of the most important cosmological issues about the amount of matter present in the universe (anti-universe). According to your cosmologists, whether the universe (anti-universe) will expand forever, or collapse back onto itself in a fiery ‘Big Crunch,’ depends on how much matter it holds. With sufficient matter, gravity could slow down or even reverse the expansion. With too little matter, and thus too little gravity, the expansion might never end. In that case, galaxies will gradually sputter out until the entire universe (anti-universe) darkens and becomes a chunk of eternal ice or, in fact, becomes void of any life as it is known to that anti-universe and thus, it will turn, for all practical purposes, into nothingness.

As you know, your cosmologists struggled for decades to measure the matter in their universe (anti-universe). They have tried to infer it by carefully studying the motions of galaxies and calculating how much matter and gravity would be necessary to produce the observed movements. The problem with this situation is that, in accordance with their calculations, the visible matter — stars and galaxies — accounts for less than ten (10) percent of the required gravity. So, how is it possible that all those stars and galaxies are holding their positions if they account for only less than ten percent of the gravity?

In order to account for the rest of the needed matter (more than 90%), your cosmologists postulated the existence of the so-called invisible dark matter which is hanging somewhere in and is spread around the ‘empty’ space of their universe (anti-universe). What is this situation telling you? From our position it is telling you how limited the Zone of Displacement, which they call the universe, is. Only less than ten percent of its entire volume is filled with some kinds of celestial bodies. And how many of those bodies can really provide sufficient conditions for any type of life to take hold in them?

As you know, most of them, or the majority of them, are unable to sustain any type of life, life as you know it. So, what does it tell you? This situation reflects the true nature of the negative state which fills out the Zone of Displacement in less than 10 percent of its capacity. As you can surmise, looking at those celestial bodies and the conditions they are in, the negative state can produce, in the vast majority of its pseudo-creative efforts, only something which is violent, cataclysmic, destructive and extremely dangerous to anything living and breathing. These are spiritual correspondences of the true nature of the negative state as they are projected to its physical aspect (to its physical anti- universe).

However, no matter which way you look at this situation, no matter what theory you accept — whether their universe (anti-universe) ends in a fiery ‘Big Crunch’ or falls into total darkness and ice, in either case its so-called life (non-life from our perspective) will end once and for all. And as you know, what makes any type of universe a true universe, which makes any sense and which can be registered in the subjective and objective mode of its being and existence or pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, is to what extent it can sustain sentient, and/or any other type of life in all its forms, shapes and manifestations. Once anything out there is no longer capable of sustaining such life, because it is no longer registered in any sentient mind, for all practical purposes, it ceases to be and to exist.

So, as you clearly see from this situation, even from the standpoint of your scientific position, the Zone of Displacement, planet Zero and, by inference, non-life of the negative state as such, human non-life and their egos, as well as everything related to them, cannot exist for good and forever. Even from your scientists’ view, anything in their universe (anti-universe) and planet Zero, with all forms and shapes of their lives (non-lives) is only temporary and transient. Their position only confirms what we have been talking about in the process of the transmission of My New Revelation, that non-life of the negative state and human non- life with all their derivatives and manifestations cannot stay forever.

Regardless of which theory bears out to be truthful, in either scenario, everything will be destroyed without a trace. Nothing will remain in any condition whatsoever. And this is what the true outcome of the Zone of Displacement and planet Zero, with their pseudo-lives, will be.

Now, which alternative for ending the non-life of the negative state and human non-life will be chosen, will all depend on the choices that all involved will make. As you see, from the true spiritual standpoint, it is not how much matter is out there and whether there is enough or not enough gravity to cause this eternal ending, but it is the choices of all sentient minds everywhere and everywhen, which will determine which alternative will be materialized.

By the efforts of all choices of all sentient minds, either enough gravity will be generated so that the anti-universe or the Zone of Displacement in its physical manifestation falls in on itself and burns into cinder, or the needed gravity will be withdrawn from it so that it would end in total darkness and ice. Because all such choices will be made in the spiritual and intermediate dimensions and their anti-parts in the Zone of Displacement, their corresponding factors will influence the distribution of the needed gravity for either scenario to take place.

I believe, Peter, that this is all that can be said about this issue at this time. If needed, necessary and feasible, we may return to this topic sometime in the future. At this point in time, you need to take a break.

Peter: Thank You very much for this prolific explanation. I enjoyed it very much. Until the next time — if there will be a next time.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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