ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINTH DIALOGUE

May 12, 2000

Peter: Shortly after I finished recording Dialog 138, I received a letter by regular mail from my brother Ivan in which he is submitting four questions for Your consideration. A little later in the day, I received one question via E-mail from Petra of the Czech Republic. Does it mean that we should do dialoging despite the fact that it was indicated at the end of Dialog 138 to take a longer break? Of course, as always, if You have anything to convey to us this morning prior to Your answers to the asked questions, I would be more than happy to yield You the floor.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Yes, Peter, it does mean that, and therefore, it is proper to resume our dialoging at this time. However, before asking you to formulate the mentioned four questions on behalf of your brother Ivan and one question on behalf of Petra, I would like to briefly mention something else. Since the time of your ordeal, Peter, and during the time when, in that process, a decision was being made about the outcome of your physical condition, in a sense whether you should or should not be recalled from planet Zero, you have been somewhat preoccupied with the question related to the fate of dialoging and what is going to happen after you would be recalled at any time during the foreseeable future. Although this is something that may be considered as a prediction of the future, nevertheless, some general ideas could be conveyed to you not in the sense of what is or what is not going to happen but in the sense of whether the need for dialoging to continue by the means of someone else will be retained or not.

Due to the position and specific role that you, Peter, have as the transmitter of My New Revelation, as long as you are on planet Zero in the physical form, and as long as there are or will be any questions of multiversal significance submitted to us, our dialoging may continue if needed and feasible. The spiritual climate and the nature of the shift that is in place and will be in place during your stay on planet Zero may be conducive for this type of dialoging. However, in the moment of your recall from planet Zero, that moment will be the beginning of a totally different spiritual state and condition and of a new spiritual shift which will be needed or be ready to take place at that time. Although the nature and character of that state, condition and shift would be premature to reveal, nevertheless, it can be said with one hundred percent certainty that such dialoging, as we have now, will no longer be appropriate or needed. The spiritual climate of that time will be entirely different, not conducive to such dialoging. For that reason, do not expect that someone else would be assigned to continue in such dialoging.

In view of these facts, if, after your departure, Peter, from planet Zero, someone would come and claim that he or she was assigned such a role, it would be a straightforward deception on the part of such an individual and he or she would be under the influence of the renegades. Please, remember that and do not be taken in by any such possible claims! It can be expected that the forces of the negative state (the renegades) would try to present or to introduce, under My Name, of course, someone who could make such claims in order to corrupt, contaminate, pollute and poison the purity of all ideas of My New Revelation. By the introductory remarks of this particular Dialog, you are being warned about such a possibility and you are being prepared for something like that to happen following Peter’s departure from planet Zero.

During that time, the spiritual climate and condition could be such that it would require from you, who would be left behind, to really ask your own questions and get your own answers without any mediator in this respect. It would mean that the questions of multiversal significance were properly answered for this and that time and that to continue in asking them would not serve a needed purpose. In this case, the shift would be entirely to the individualized and personalized condition and the answers to them would be rendered to each particular individual in his/her state of inwardness or in any state he/she could establish for that purpose. Moreover, and most importantly, during that time, in the lives of My true representatives on planet Zero, a period of a full and complete implementation of everything revealed, and which will be revealed in the upcoming days, in My New Revelation in general, will be in the process of its fullest possible illustration and demonstration. At the same time, whatever anyone will be receiving during the process of his/her own asking of questions, by whatever mode such asking will be available to him/her, the verity of the content of any received answers, will always be compared with and checked against the content of the principles and ideas of My New Revelation. Should any disagreement be detected with these principles and ideas, it would denote that the answers to his/her questions are coming from a deceiving source. On the other hand, if a full agreement with them is in place, it would indicate that such answers are coming from Me. So, as you see, My New Revelation, and what it contains, will also function at that time as a means for security checks. No other means for such checks, besides your intuition, will be available at that time.

During that time, after intuitive reassurance about the veracity of the received answers to your own personal and individual questions, some aspects of those answers would be possible to share amongst yourselves — My true representatives. Of course, as always, only if you choose to share them by your own free will and choice and only if it is indicated to you by Me that it would be beneficial and proper for such sharing to take place. However, it is quite possible that most of the received answers would have a totally private and intimate connotation, not available for sharing with anyone because it would be between Me and you. And this is all that I wanted to talk about at this time. At this point, Peter, you may go ahead and formulate Ivan’s and Petra’s questions.

Peter: Thank You very much for this reminder. Ivan’s four questions are as follows: 1) Swedenborg described the inhabitants of all planets known at his time. I suppose he didn’t ‘see’ the planets of our physical (pseudo) universe. Then what did he really see? 2) Swedenborg discerns three kingdoms: the celestial, the spiritual and the natural. Through all these the divine flows… In the celestial kingdom the angels appear as naked infants and everything is ‘built’ from wood. In the spiritual kingdom gold is seen, etc. Is this information still valid? 3) What should we think about the fact that the Gospels report the stories of the Resurrection differently? In Matthew (28:16-17): “Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed to them. And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.” Luke doesn’t mention Galilee. We read (Luke 24:50-51): “And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven.” 4) I thought that the word ‘God’ was a designation of a profession or vocation… Like the functions of the Creator, Savior, Redeemer… Somebody would say: “The main profession of The Lord Jesus Christ is to be the Only God.” It is normally difficult to use ‘I AM WHO I AM.’ Among common people I’d rather refer to ‘The Divine Providence,’ avoiding taking the Creator’s name ‘in vain.’ Is it OK? End of Ivan’s questions. Petra’s question is as follows: If sentient entities in the positive state in their lives continuously experience some kind of enrichment, new knowledge and other progressive states, could You, Lord Jesus Christ — because You have the Absolute Knowledge and Knowing of everything — experience and acquire knowledge of something new? Do You need to or can You enrich Your Absolute Life? This is an interesting question. End of the questions. The floor is Yours.

The Lord Jesus Christ: We are going to address these questions in the sequence as they came. Let us begin with Ivan’s question number one. What did Swedenborg actually see? First of all, in most instances, he talked with the spirits of the respective planets and very rarely with their actual natural inhabitants. Secondly, at that time, it was spiritually premature for Swedenborg and everyone else to know about the existence of the Zone of Displacement and that this Zone is a reflection of the arrangements of the celestial bodies the way they are in the true physical or natural universe. For that reason, if, for example, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and all their respective moons or any other celestial bodies, exist in the true natural universe, in that case, the same planets and everything else will appear in the same arrangement in the Zone of Displacement. In other words, this Zone parallels the true universe. However, the similarities end with this paralleling. The nature, structure, purpose, goal and setup of them are diametrically different. Whereas in the true natural or physical universe everything serves some kind of important creative, constructive and generally positive purpose, in the Zone of Displacement the trend is to oppose such a setup. Instead, everything in it is geared toward a negative purpose.

Now, as you remember from the previous Dialogs, each celestial body is ruled and regulated by the quality of the nature, structure and dynamics of the sentient minds. Any planetary condition, no matter what it is, is a reflection of the states, processes, nature, structure and dynamics of the sentient minds, both in their totality as well as in their singularities. The perceptual, sensorial, physical, mental and spiritual organs of such sentient minds are fully accommodated for the discernment and regulation of everything which takes place on any such planet. This regulatory process is originated in the spiritual mind, and by the means of the interior mind it is actualized by the external mind. From this perspective, you can say that spirits rule and regulate each and every planet or any celestial body because they do it from the position of their spiritual mind. Hence, the name ‘spirits.’

In the Zone of Displacement the same rule applies. Spirits, or their pseudo-spiritual minds rule and regulate all respective planets and celestial bodies of the entire Zone of Displacement. And because each such planet reflects the nature, structure, dynamics, states, processes and conditions of that mind, its condition will be exactly the same as the condition of that mind. So, whereas in the true Creation each and every planet is visibly occupied by the sentient entities who are of purely positive and good nature, in the Zone of Displacement each and every such planet is occupied by spirits of negative and evil nature. Because of that, in the Zone of Displacement, as well as in your Solar System, such planets, with the exception of your planet, appear to be not only void of any life forms but they have cataclysmic conditions or conditions which, from the viewpoint of human life (non-life), are unable to sustain any life at all. However, this is only an illusion of the human mind. The problem with the human mind is that in its structural design and in the design of all its tools, instruments and sensorial and perceptual organs, it is able to perceive or sense only that which is integral to its nature, structure, dynamics, states, processes and conditions. Anything above or beyond these means of their observation and perception, is outside of their ability to see or to recognize what is really out there, or in this case, on other planets. On those planets they see only what their perceptual, sensorial tools, organs and instruments allow them to see. From that position they see only external cataclysmic conditions, void of any life. They are unable to see anything behind them.

Moreover, the way the human mind defines life is limited to what humans consider to be life. Because human life is not a true life (it was defined as non-life), it is unable to postulate the possibility of any other type of life, or life under any other spiritual, mental, physical, biological, chemical, physiological and environmental conditions than what they have or experience. From that position, and because by the methods and instruments of observation available to them, they are unable to conceive the possibility that life could thrive and be manifested in some other condition totally different and incomprehensible to them, they conclude that no life could exist on other planets which do not exhibit the same characteristics as their planet has. Humans are incapable of conceiving an idea that life could thrive and be manifested on Mercury, for example, the temperature of which is far above what could sustain life the way human life (non-life) is manifested; or on Pluto, the temperature of which may approach almost absolute zero. And yet, because each planet, no matter in what condition or shape — as observable by human tools and instruments — is ruled and regulated by living spirits or sentient entities, such planets are being fully inhabited by sentient entities who make such planetary conditions not only possible but which are needed for them in order to fulfill the purpose and goal for which they inhabit such planets.

Therefore, from this understanding you may conclude that all planets of your Solar System, as well as all planets in the entire Creation and pseudo-creation, are fully inhabited by sentient entities. That humans are unable to see them or that they see only something which in their limited and limiting view or perception is unable to support their type of life, is an entirely different story. In fact, they were structurally designed in such a manner so that they would not be able to see or perceive anything of that nature on other planets. You see, originally, it was necessary to deceive humans into believing that their brand of life on the natural or physical level is the only life possible and that no other type of life may or can exist. Because of that, humans were goaded and deceived into believing that they are very special and the only one possible, and therefore, the type of life they have is the most desirable, the most beautiful and the most cherished in the entire universe. This subterfuge was necessary to establish in order to make human life possible. If humans were to have tangible experiences of the being and existence of any other types and forms of sentient life but what they have or what they are, or if they would be able to see or observe how sentient life is thriving on Mercury, or Pluto or on any other planet, for example; or, if based on such experiences, they would recognize that their life is, in fact, not a true life, in that case, they would never agree to be in human life (non-life). In that case, the experiment in non-life for the purpose of comparison with the true life could not come to its fruition. If this were to happen, all sentient minds would be plagued by the questions to which no answers would be given. How could you establish the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state under such adverse conditions?

So, what was it that Swedenborg perceived at that time? Because at that time it would not be beneficial and spiritually proper to reveal anything of the above described situation, Swedenborg was allowed to communicate with the spirits of the planets of the true physical universe but not with the spirits of the pseudo-universe or of the Zone of Displacement. For that reason, in most instances, those planets were occupied by positive types of sentient entities. And because their planets reflected the positiveness and goodness of their inhabitants, none of them had conditions as seen, for example, on the planets of your Solar System. Only some minor resemblances were noted at that time. However, even if Swedenborg were to be talking to the spirits of the planets of the Zone of Displacement, because of his special endowment he had from Me, by which endowment he was able to transcend his limited and limiting human perceptual abilities, he would still be able to see that those planets were fully inhabited by sentient entities with all kinds of external structures, cities, villages, etc. So, either way, his perception would be the correct one, although from the position of your astronomical tools of observation, any such claims would be refuted because these tools or instruments are unable to detect anything more than some kind of inferno, or eternal ice, unable to support any life forms. As you see from these obvious facts, you can never rely on what your sensory organs, as well as instruments and tools of your so-called scientific observation, are able to convey to you. They can be very much deceiving.

On the other hand, do not forget what was said about these issues in The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ. There are many reflections of each compacted spiritual, mental or physical planet and/or celestial entity. Also, there are many parallel universes which have the same types of planets, Solar Systems, galaxies and their various celestial bodies. If on some of them you would be unable to see any life forms (although they would be there!), it does not necessarily mean that you would not be able to see thriving life on some others. Because those planets on which you are able to see the thriving sentient life forms are structurally the same as their original compacted planets, you would have to logically conclude that they are all inhabited despite the fact that you cannot see their sentient inhabitants with your physical eyes or with whatever you are trying to look at them. So, please, do not ever limit yourself in your knowledge to something which is so limited and limiting as your perceptual sensory organs and all the tools and instruments constructed on the nature, structure and dynamics of those organs. Unfortunately, this is exactly what human science, in its exploration, does.

Let us now address Ivan’s second question. The answer to this question should be deducible from everything that has been so far revealed in My New Revelation. As you know, at the time of Swedenborg, My New Nature had not been in place yet. For that reason, there was a continuous separation of Me as Jesus Christ from that which was called God-the Father. This separation, which had been in existence since Creation was created into its process, determined the structural design of Creation. Do not forget that at that time, before My New Nature came into Absolute Being and Absolute Existence, I, as the only God, was at an entirely different level of perception and relatedness to My Creation than the case is now or after I acquired My New Nature. This situation required that all dimensions of My Creation would be positioned in the discrete mode of their being and existence and that any interactions amongst them would be accomplished by the means of spiritual correspondences. In order to illustrate and demonstrate various different aspects of My Absolute Sentient Mind, My Creation proceeded first from My Absolute Spiritual Mind, giving rise to the celestial kingdom ruled and regulated by the principles of goodness from love; secondly, it proceeded from My Absolute Interior Mind, giving rise to the spiritual kingdom ruled and regulated by the truth of wisdom; and thirdly, it proceeded from My Absolute External Mind, giving rise to the natural kingdom ruled and regulated by the faith of the truth by means of its wisdom and by positive works of good by means of its love.

In order to have such a distinction, as well as in order to reflect the structural design of the relative sentient mind, which was patterned by the Structure and Nature of My Absolute Sentient Mind, initially, it was necessary to put these kingdoms into the above mentioned discrete mode of their being and existence. Within the sphere and atmosphere of their influence, they established their own unique mode of life. That mode was conveyed to all by means of the spiritual correspondences which determined the function of the various external objects by which sentient entities surrounded themselves. Thus, for example, if in the celestial kingdom all sentient entities lived in the love of their goodness and in the innocence of their life, in that case, the function of their external objects would reflect such a condition. Because wood, for example, had this particular correspondence, everything around them was built from wood. At the same time, if they lived in the innocence of their life, and if this innocence had some relevance to the so-called infancy, in that case, from far away, they would appear as infants; although in close proximity, they would be seen in their true adult form. And the same was true as far as the spiritual and natural kingdoms were concerned. Each of them had their own spiritual correspondences which were reflected in the function ascribed by them to their external objects (for example, gold corresponded to the truth of wisdom, as bronze corresponded to the faith of that truth, etc.).

However, with the acquirement and permanent establishment of My New Nature and with the availability of My New Revelation, as well as with the creation of the New Universe, nothing remained the same as it used to be at the time of Swedenborg. For that reason such divisions, as seen and described by him, although proper and correct at his time, are no longer in place. As you know, the Name ‘The Lord Jesus Christ,’ among many other things, signifies total Absolute Integration, Unification and Oneness in a direct and tangible condition and state. This situation is fully reflected in the nature and structure of the New Universe in its relative condition. Because of this new situation, the former separation, isolation and self-enclosed condition of each mentioned kingdom was abolished and a new lifestyle among them was established. This lifestyle fully reflects the state of integration, unification and oneness of all and everything within the domain of the true Creation. After all, if the life of Creation depends on My Absolute Life Absolutely, in that case, whatever happens within Me is immediately conveyed to and has consequential impact on the state, condition and process of the entire Creation. Accordingly, everything in My Creation changes to reflect this situation within Me. Thus, as a result of this new situation, such things as ‘wood,’ ‘gold,’ ‘infants,’ etc., no longer only appear to be the property of any respective kingdom. They could appear simultaneously at any level if needed and necessary and if chosen by their masters — the respective sentient entities. After all, such things as that are only a projection of the state of their sentient mind. Nothing more can be ascribed to them.

Let us now address Ivan’s third question. The answer to this question has a deep spiritual, mystical and philosophical connotation. Is there any contradiction between the quoted two texts? The problem with your perception of the content and meaning of the quoted two texts is that you have a tendency to take them literally from the position of their physical designation/place. If you agree that everything recorded in the Four Gospels was recorded in the language of pure spiritual correspondences and that every single word, every dot, has some important spiritual meaning, then, in that case, you have to look not at the literal place where the event of My departure from planet Zero took place, but to what those two places spiritually correspond.

As you know, the Christian Bible contains only the four mentioned Gospels. Yet, there were very many other Gospels written at various times following My departure from planet Zero. Why is it so? My Divine Providence provided that only those Gospels were included in the Bible which deal, in some way or other, with My death and resurrection. These two events have the central and the most important mystical, spiritual and literal significance in the doctrine of Christianity. All other Gospels either do not mention these facts or they deny that they happened. Take for example, the Gospel According to Thomas. Its content is solely limited to My teachings or sayings without description of any other events which accompanied those teachings. Thomas was not interested in recording anything that I did or what happened to Me but only in what I said or he thought that I said. Because of that, the words of his Gospel do not contain spiritual correspondences. On the other hand, the Gospel According to Mary Magdalena was concealed from the Christians of a later date because they founded their spiritual doctrine on Paul’s Epistles. As you know, in Paul’s view, a woman has no place in the church and she is not allowed to express her opinion, but to rely on her husband’s input on any issues of spiritual matters. And she has to ask him at home, in the privacy of its setting and not on the church’s ground. For that reason, because Mary Magdalena’s Gospel reflects the strong leadership position of women in the matters of spiritual and any other issues and life in general, the leaders of the Christian church excluded her Gospel from the canonized versions of the Four Gospels.

Then you have the so-called Gospel of Truth (author unknown). Besides that, you have numerous so-called Gnostic Gospels. These Gospels contain too many distortions and falsities related to My life and work on planet Zero. At the same time, they do not deal with My death and resurrection or they simply deny that they took place at all. And yet, if I did not die and subsequently was not resurrected, in that case, I could not enter all the Hells and various regions of the Zone of Displacement and establish a condition there for their future salvation as well as for regulation and control of everything in the negative state in general. On the other hand, if I were to stay dead and were not to go through the process of resurrection, becoming, once again, alive to eternity, not only could no one else in the negative state be saved but the entirety of the positive state and My Creation in general would perish likewise. Staying dead would mean that the negative state won on the all- inclusive scale, and not only locally or on planet Zero, but took over the entirety of My Creation. Because life of all and everything depends on My Absolute Life or My being Absolutely Alive, without Me and My Life, everyone would perish. So, as you see from these facts, it was not only essential for the salvation of all for Me to experience death but, most importantly, it was necessary for Me to be resurrected and become eternally alive in an Absolute sense. This factor contains the entire mystery of the Works of My Salvation.

Now, as you remember from Dialog 78 in the first Volume of these Dialogs, the Four Gospels, in their description of My life and work on planet Zero, occupy a different angle or position from which they interpret everything related to Me and all spiritual issues. To remind you: John’s position was from the East; Matthew’s position was from the South; Luke’s position was from the West; and Mark’s position was from the North. The spiritual meaning of this designation was explained in Dialog 78. We are not going to repeat it here. These different positions determined the need of placing or describing various events of My life, death and resurrection in a somewhat different connotation. This was done in order to trigger important spiritual correspondences which would enable building certain important spiritual conditions having multiversal, and not only localized, significance.

As noticed above, Matthew places the event of My departure from planet Zero on the mountain in the land of Galilee. Luke talks about My leading My disciples as far as Bethany. Notice the words ‘as far as.’ Mark does not denote any particular place but simply indicates that I appeared to My disciples and after rebuking them for not understanding anything related to My mission and for their unbelief and hardness of heart, I simply departed from them and went to heaven. John extensively speaks about My activities following My resurrection but he omits saying anything about the place or the event of My departure from planet Zero. None of these descriptions are made by coincidence. They all have deep spiritual meaning determined by the spiritual position from which they were recorded. In this sense you can interpret those events in the following manner: The word ‘Galilee’ corresponds to the ability of everyone in the negative state, who was not an integral part of the positive state, to know and to have the Truth and by that factor, to be in Good. Thus, as you see, no one whatsoever is excluded from the possibility to have such knowledge and to be that way. What would really happen if someone, no matter where he/she is located or in what state he/she is in, would not be able to know this Truth and to be Good? In that case, such an individual could not be saved to eternity. What would happen if such a thing were to be possible? Logically speaking, in that case, the negative state and its human non-life could not be eliminated and the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state could not be activated either — ever.

By the factor of My disciples going into Galilee, and meeting Me there, I reaffirmed two things: Thanks to My death and resurrection, a condition was set up in all places and states of the negative state (remember, Galilee was located in the land of Gentiles, that is to say, in the negative state in general, and not in the Jewish land, which carried the spiritual correspondence of the localized positive state), which would trigger everyone’s ability to know and accept My Truth, and based on that, to become Good from the Love of My Wisdom. That it was a mountain which I had appointed for My disciples to meet Me there and which was located in the midst of Galilee signifies that by the process of My resurrection and conquering the negative state and human non-life in all their aspects without any exception and exclusion, I permanently placed all factors of the positive state (mountain here corresponds to the positive state in general and not only locally) in the midst of the negative state in order to assure that there is a continuous opportunity for everyone in the negative state and human non-life to be brought out from the negative state and subsequently to be converted to the positive state. Such a condition could not have been established if I were not able to experience death and subsequent resurrection. This condition was solely contingent on these two experiences by the means of which I conquered, subjugated and took control of everyone and everything in the negative state and human non-life. As you remember, without such experiences, which are typical human experiences, My approach to the negative state could be only from the position of My Absolute State of Love and Goodness. Being exposed to them under those kinds of conditions would cause instant annihilation of everyone and everything in the negative state and human non-life. Such an outcome would be inconceivable and contradictory to My Absolutely Positive Absolute Nature. If such a thing were to be possible at all, My Nature would become negative, and as a consequence not only would everyone and everything in the negative state and human non-life perish, but everyone and everything in the positive state would perish as well.

Now, Luke’s description places My departure as far as Bethany. This is a localized place in close proximity to Jerusalem, which corresponds to the falsities and evils of the negative state represented by the factor of the Jewish nation rejecting Me as their Savior or Messiah. That I led My disciples as far as Bethany signifies leading them to the ultimate condition in which the negative state with all their evils and falsities was originated. In other words, in order to succeed in the eventual eternal elimination of the negative state and its human non-life, it was necessary to establish a proper condition in the core from which the negative state with its human non-life had come forth and which condition would trigger in everyone in that core (in this case, the pseudo-creators and consequently the renegades also) their ability to recognize and accept My Truth and become Good or positive in general. Remember, even in that very core or the originating source of the negative state and human non-life, no one was/is absolutely evil or is in absolute falsities. By the symbolization of leading My disciples as far as Bethany, and from that position departing to heaven, by the means of My death and resurrection, I established in that core a firm condition which will be able to eliminate any further possibility for reactivation of the negative state and its human non-life to eternity. At the same time, by that factor, everyone in that core will be able to see, to recognize and to accept My Truth and become positive and good to eternity.

So as you see from this revelation, in both instances (in Matthew and Luke) we are dealing with the very same situation as related to the negative state and its human non-life and their eventual salvation. In one case (Matthew) this concept relates to everyone in the negative state; and in the other case (Luke) it relates to the very core or originating source of the negative state. For that reason, seeing it from this proper spiritual perspective, no contradiction exists between them because they both deal with the situation in the negative state and human non-life.

In Mark’s approach, which is the approach of the North or of the Truth of Faith, the issue is an all-inclusiveness as far as the impact of the fact of My death and resurrection is concerned. In this case, no preference is given to any particular place or state because My Salvation has and will have an all-inclusive application. In this sense, not only is it everyone in the negative state and human non-life who are being given an opportunity to be saved (which opportunity they all will eventually take) but it also includes everyone in the positive state because without My death and resurrection, as a consequence of My incarnation for that purpose on planet Zero, they would eventually succumb to the negative state and they would all eventually die spiritually and, as a result, they would also die in an absolute sense. The reason why they would also die in an absolute sense, following their spiritual death, is because, as you know, being that the negative state originated from the relative sentient mind, by the factor of being relative to the relative only, it cannot continue forever. Therefore, anyone who would succumb to the negative state, not having any means for being saved from it or being brought back to the positive state, would ultimately die in an absolute sense. For this reason, Mark avoids mentioning any specific place from which My departure back to heaven happened.

John’s description has even deeper spiritual significance. As you know, his Gospel does not mention anything about My physical departure from planet Zero or from the negative state in general. Why is it so? Because, spiritually speaking, I have never left planet Zero and the negative state in general. Although physically, I did leave in order to reunite Myself with My Essence – the Father, and consequently acquire My New Nature, spiritually, I am continuously present in their domain. As you know, before My incarnation on planet Zero, My presence in the negative state and human life could be by mediation only — through someone else. No direct, immediate and experiential contact was available before that time. As you remember, such contact would constitute instant annihilation of everyone and everything in the negative state and human non-life.

In order to prevent that from happening, and in order to establish the most necessary condition within the domain of the negative state and human non-life for everyone in them being eventually saved and brought back to the positive state, it was vital and most essential that I would take over the rule and control over them. The only possible way to accomplish this takeover was by incarnation on planet Zero, by My physical death and subsequent resurrection. By those two factors, a condition was established which placed Me in full control and domination over them in an absolute sense. Because of this condition, My presence with them became a spiritual fact and reality. From that time on, I am as much directly (and not only by mediation) present with them and in them as with everyone in the positive state. No difference exists anymore between them in this respect (as far as My presence and control are concerned). In this sense therefore, I have never left planet Zero or the negative state and My presence with all situated there is constantly assured as long as they are permitted to continue in their non-life. That presence of Mine will lead to their eventual conversion to the positive state. This is the reason why John did not mention anything about My departure from planet Zero. It was necessary to assure everyone that I am directly spiritually present with all no matter where or in what state they are located. Do you see now how significant the positions are from which each of the mentioned Four Gospels portray My resurrection and everything that follows it?

And now let us address Ivan’s fourth and last question. The issue here is the proper definition of My Name — The Lord Jesus Christ. There is the function related to that name and there is the deep mystical, spiritual and philosophical meaning of that Name. When we are addressing the meaning of that Name, it is required to emphasize the concept and the understanding that I, as The Lord Jesus Christ, am the only One Who Is The Absolute I AM WHO I AM. Such consideration should be the topic of your mutual discussions as related to the meaning of My Name, or your individual and personal interaction with Me or during your meditative states — whenever you think or meditate about Me as related to the meaning of My Name. On the other hand, whenever you consider the function which is reflected in the Nature, Structure and Dynamics of My Name, you do not need to address Me at all times as the Absolute I AM WHO I AM. Instead, you simply say whatever feels right to you individually and personally at each particular time, depending on the situation in which the need arises to talk about this issue. For that reason, it is appropriate to use such terms as, for example, ‘The Divine Providence’ or even ‘God’, especially and particularly in the presence of those humans who are not connected to My New Revelation at this time. The most important thing however, is your continuous emphasis on the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ. Whenever you can, you are advised to say that Name in the hearing of all who discuss spiritual issues with you. There is a very important spiritual reason for this. By talking about Me as The Lord Jesus Christ, you are setting up a condition in the minds of those with whom you converse about Me which will be utilized later on for triggering in them their ability to know the truth about Me and to accept Me as the only Absolute I AM WHO I AM, contained in the meaning of the words — The Lord Jesus Christ. And this is all, related to Ivan’s questions. They were very good and very timely questions.

Now, finally, let us address Petra’s question. Well, the answer to her question could be deduced, to a certain extent, from what was said about the factor of My New Nature. If we are talking about New Nature, is it not obvious that I am in the process of experiencing something new and different? However, the situation is not as simple as that. For that reason, our response to Petra’s question will be somewhat ambiguous. It is ‘yes’ and ‘no.’ It all depends from what mode of perception of reality you approach this answer. In the subjective mode, which is founded on sequence, continuation and succession, because of the projection of always something new and different, in the moment that projection takes place/state, profound changes occur, giving rise to the experience of something new and different. The way you have to understand this issue, is that, because of My New Nature, I am able to experience everything that any sentient entity experiences during the time/state of his/her new and different knowledge, emotions, feelings, thoughts, or whatever he/she has — by and through the relative state, condition and process of each particular sentient entity in exactly the same way the relative sentient entity does. And because the relative sentient entity is experiencing something new and different, by and through her/him, so do I.

However, it is a totally different story if you look upon this situation from the position of the objective mode and from the position of the Absolute State. As you remember, in this position everything takes place concurrently, simultaneously and synchronously. Because of that, all knowledges and experiences in their Absolute State and Condition occur at the same time/state. But because nothing old and previous exists in such a state or condition, and because whatever was, it was not in its ‘was’ but in its always ‘is,’ therefore, the only thing which is there is always new and different. Its continuous occurrence in the form of its newness and difference, and in the state of its simultaneity, concurrency and synchronicity, determines the factor of the ability to be in the state, condition and process of constantly experiencing something new and different. For that reason, within Myself and My Absolute State, I, and everything in Me, am always new and different. For that reason nothing is ever the same but at the very same time, paradoxically speaking, everything is the same in its newness and difference. So, from both modes of perception of reality — objective and subjective — I am in the Absolute State of My Own Newness, Difference, Knowledge, Knowing and everything else related to this issue. At the very same time, I am in the State of always knowing everyone and everything which is and exists. However, because everyone and everything are in a relative state, condition and process, from their position, and from their newness and difference, I am also always New and Different. From My Absolute Position I always experience their newness and difference as My Own Absolute Newness and Difference. After all, such ability of theirs stems from the release of something new and different directly from Me for their new and different knowledge and knowing. And this is all that can be said about this issue at this time. This was a somewhat difficult philosophical subject. At this point in time, I would suggest to finish for today. You need to spend some time, Peter, in preparation for the publishing of the First Volume of our Dialogs. Until then — if needed, necessary and feasible.

Peter: Thank You very much for Your profound contribution. I will follow Your advice.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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