ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY NINTH DIALOGUE

June 10, 2000

Peter: A few days ago I received four questions from Desider — our doubting gentleman from Germany. The content of his questions is of purely philosophical nature. I believe they were extensively answered many times over throughout the Big Book and these Dialogs. Or they are very easily and obviously deducible from them. I’ll let You decide if they deserve the merit of Your answers. Before including these questions here, perhaps You would like to talk first about anything that You feel should be brought to our attention. After all, we are at the threshold of some important and significant changes in the spiritual realm and they may require Your further input in these matters. So the floor is Yours.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Thank you, Peter, for giving Me this opportunity to talk first. I do have a brief comment to make regarding some issues raised in the previous Dialogs. They relate to My statement that the process of creation of Creation was executed in the circles. This description does not reflect the true reality of that process. The reason we have been using such a term as ‘circles,’ was to give your human external mind some orientation point by which you could, at least remotely, grasp how this process was taking place. In your human linear or subjective mode of perception and understanding of anything at all, and not only of such complex and huge issues as the creation of Creation, it would be almost impossible to come up with any idea, word or concept which would bring to your external mind some understanding of what really happened and how things proceeded in this respect.

So, in this case, what are we really talking about? As you remember from Chapter 21 in The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ, as well as from Fundamentals of Human Spirituality, the process of creation of Creation, up to a certain point, did not take place in time and space but time and space were introduced during creation of the physical- external dimension. Because the creation of Creation did not happen in time and space, it would be misleading to talk about concrete, literal circles or using such terms as first round, second round, third round and fourth round of the creative process. Such terms and their meanings are time-space bound. We have been using these terms only for the sake of your human mind which has no way of grasping the non-time and non- space states and processes. In actuality, the entire process of the creation of Creation, before creation of the external-physical dimension, or before the introduction of time and space into that process, was executed in the objective mode of perception and understanding of reality. This mode clearly requires that this process takes place in a discrete, simultaneous and synchronous mode. The term ‘discrete’ is the one which makes problems for your human mind and which, by its meaning, approximates or induces the notion of continuum, preceding, succession and being time-space bound. In actuality, this term denotes a discontinuous process of something which happens apart or detached from anything else, being distinct in its own right. Such an understanding of this term could give your human mind a false notion that the creation of Creation proceeded in some kind of separate fashion, unrelated to anything else. While, in fact, in our conceptualization it means self-containment in its own sphere and atmosphere, or state and condition, which is substantially different from any other sphere and atmosphere, or state and condition.

However, in the true reality of this process, discrete occurrence of various phases of creation of Creation, or in the objective mode, happened simultaneously and synchronously. The closest depiction for your human mind of the reality of this process can be found in the concepts of quantum physics which deals with subatomic particles. In the relational mode and behavior of these particles it would be very difficult to conceptualize time elements during which any inter- and intra-actions take place. For that reason, within their sphere, everything happens in infinitesimally small fractions of nanoseconds. You could apply this notion, in a very limited degree, to the creation of various different dimensions of Creation. In other words, if you apply some time-space bound elements to this process, then creation of the first spiritual dimension, in its discrete sphere and atmosphere, or state and condition, was separated from the creation of the very first sentient entities, who were created before Creation shifted from its state into its process, by an infinitesimally small fraction of a nanosecond, for example. The creation of the intermediate dimension was separated from the creation of the spiritual dimension by another infinitesimally small fraction of a nanosecond.

As far as creation of the external-physical dimension, from the position of the first, second and third round of Creation, its creation was separated from them by another very small and infinitesimally smaller fraction of a nanosecond. However, because in the process of creation of the external- physical dimension, the categories of time and space were introduced as the outcome of that creation, from its position, its creation proceeded in a continuous, sequential and proceeding mode. In other words, in this mode, the process of creation of the external-physical dimension, the way it is experienced by that mode, could take place for many millions or even billions of your years. You have to understand one thing: Whatever happens in the objective mode, which we hypothetically measured in an infinitesimally small fraction of a nanosecond, for the same thing to occur in the time-space bound continuum may happen during many millions or even billions of years. Whenever you are positioned inside the external- physical dimension, the time-space factors apply and take over your perception. Hence, the subjective mode of your perception and sense. For this mode, something which in the objective mode may equal an infinitesimally small fraction of a nanosecond, can take many billions of years. This is how infinitely different these two modes are.

So, in assessing the process of the creation of Creation, you have to take into consideration these important factors. In this sense, in the non- external non-physical dimensions of Creation, you have to subtract anything related to being time-space bound. For that reason, do not take literally our claims that the shift of Creation from its state into its process (the actual creation), happened in some kinds of concrete, tangible circles or rounds. This is the reason why we always accompanied such statements with the words ‘symbolically speaking.’ Such language, used by us, was accommodated to the limited and limiting perception and understanding of your typical human mind. Unfortunately, in the typical human language and its vocabulary, nothing exists that could even remotely approximate the true meaning of what happened or took place during that process. Don’t even try to understand it by your external human mind. However, by your intuition, you can come much closer to the proper understanding of the process of creation of Creation.

Thus, as you can discern from the above, if you look at the process of creation of My Creation from the position of the external-physical dimension or from within the imaginary dimensional boundaries of the external-physical dimension, this process was executed in certain well- planned stages. In the first stage, which can be considered as a stage of pre-creation, special sentient entities were created. By their means and through them, the second stage resulted in the creation of the spiritual dimension. By its means and through it, the third stage resulted in the creation of the intermediate dimension. From the combined energies of all the above stages, through them and by them, the fourth stage resulted in the creation of the physical-external dimension. From this position an evolutionary process of the creation of My Creation came about. You could conceive them as developmental stages of the process of creation of My Creation.

However, the picture is entirely different if you look at this process from within imaginary boundaries of any other dimension. Each such hypothetical stage occurs within and with any other one in a simultaneous and synchronous manner. The word ‘within’ is not the exact reflection of this occurrence. You can visualize it as something like a Russian doll which has within itself another smaller doll, the smaller doll has within itself another smaller doll, etc. Each such doll is self- contained in its own boundaries without continuous attachment to the previous doll. Thus, they co-exist in a simultaneous and discrete mode in relationship to each other. This is the closest possible approximation, albeit a very crude and imprecise one, of how the process of the creation of My Creation proceeded. Because of the obvious separation of all dimensions by their own imaginary boundaries, and because they do not touch each other in a continuous mode, being within and with each other, this factor appears to the external-physical sentient mind as if there were concrete stages of the process of creation. However, this is only an appearance of reality and not the actual truth of reality, allowed to be in place in order to give the external mind some fixed orientation points in the linearity of its perception and comprehension.

And this is all that I wanted to remind you of at this time as related to this somewhat difficult topic. You may proceed now, Peter, and paraphrase Desider’s questions. I would suggest that you present them one by one without including them all in one paragraph.

Peter: Very well, here it goes. His first question is as follows: If I understand it correctly, before the Zone of Displacement was pseudo- created, only the True Creation existed and everyone was purely positive. Then, in the mind of purely positive entities, suddenly a special idea occurred which they needed to repudiate because it was false. In order to have some state to repudiate it, the Zone of Displacement was pseudo- created. How is it logically possible that in the purely positive mind of the purely positive sentient entities could such a problematical, if not even negative or evil, idea occur? Where did that false idea come from? Where did the idea to pseudo-create something different or opposite to the setup of the positive state of the true Creation come from? Logically thinking, the evil cannot occur anywhere and anywhen if all and everything, including the creative source of all and everything (the Creator) is purely positive, no matter whether absolute or relative! In that case, the evil would come from or out of nothingness! End of the first question.

The Lord Jesus Christ: You are right, Peter, when you indicated above that all Desider’s questions were answered many times over in the books of My New Revelation, as well as in several previous Dialogs. In the Big Book, the entire Chapter 6, Chapter 11, and some other chapters, deal extensively with this issue. For example, Dialogs 88, 89, 90 and several others, answer those questions. There is a serious misunderstanding of the entire issue on the part of the inquirer. Three important things need to be brought to everyone’s attention, including the inquirer’s. The first one is the issue of freedom of choice. The second one is the degree of each sentient entities’ relativity to the Absolute. The third one is the issue of the nature of the positive state itself, which at that point, was not activated into the state of its fullness and completeness.

If you take into consideration that creation of all sentient entities can happen only from the position of the Absolute Freedom of Choice, then, in that case, in order to establish any meaningful and reciprocal relationship between the Absolute Creator and all other relative sentient entities, you have to give them the same type of freedom of choice. Of what does the freedom of choice usually consist? It consists of various options which define the nature of any relatedness. In order for anyone to be really free, you also have to give him/her the option of not wanting to relate. So, it is not correct to assume that the idea of rejecting the Creator as the True Source of any life came out of nowhere. As an integral part of the freedom of choice, it was implanted in the very core of the sentient mind from the onset of its creation. No initial creation can happen without having such an idea because it would deprive one of not wanting to do this or that; or, in this case, not wanting to relate to Me. This idea in itself is not a negative one. It is positive. Any freedom of choice has to be founded on a positive basis without imposition, duress or forcefulness. Otherwise, it would not be true freedom. It becomes negative or evil only and only if it is chosen, once again, by one’s own freedom of choice, as the only feasible and possible alternative.

In order to have clear ideas about anything at all, and not only about this particular idea, for the sake of freedom of choice, you have to also include into such ideas the definition of all consequences, outcomes and results of their acceptance, actualization and realization, as well as their rejection. The idea of rejection itself, by the very energies of its rejection, as it is rejected or thrown out, gives rise to or appearance of the Zone of Displacement to which the rejected idea is able to fall out (see, for example, Chapter 21 in The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ). This is how the Zone of Displacement appeared and is being maintained.

Because I was the One Who implanted such an idea into the minds of all sentient entities, it could appear that I am also the One Who caused the negative state with all its evils and falsities to appear. The falsity of such a conclusion stems from the fact that it is illogically assumed that the idea itself contains everything bad or evil. What it contains though, is the notion of freedom of choice to be or not to be, to relate or not to relate, to choose or not to choose this or that and all others’ ‘this’ or ‘that.’ The notion of freedom of choice, no matter what the choice is, by logical inference, because it gives you a choice, by the factor of that choice itself, is positive in itself and by itself. Because such a notion is purely positive, and because it stems from Absolute Positiveness, I cannot be considered the Initiator or the Implementer of anything evil, false or negative.

How is it possible that, being purely positive, the sentient entities could come up with a need to activate that idea by choosing it as the only viable alternative or option? The answer to this question depends on from what position such an idea of invention and activation of the negative state came. And this leads us to the second issue of the degree and quality of relativity of which each sentient entity consists. The problem with your human conceptualization in this respect is that you indiscriminately assume that the degree and quality of relativity of each and every sentient entity is the same across the board. Thus, according to this false assumption, no difference exists between the relativity of one sentient entity and the relativity of any other sentient entity. Yet, the truth of the matter is that no one is the same in their personal and individualized relativity and its degree and quality. So are no entire societies, dimensions, or whatever you have, in their overall relativity, the same. There are infinite differences among all of them.

The quality and degree of relativity depend on the position that everyone occupies in relationship and position to Me as Someone Who is Absolute in His/Her Absolute Quality and has an Absolute Degree not measurable by any available means. It is immeasurable. The corresponding factor which determines this degree and quality is everyone’s state of inwardness. The more inwardly you are positioned, the closer you are to Me, and as a consequence, the lesser degree of relativity in relationship to My Absolute State you experience or have. Thus, for example, the sentient entities who were created in the pre-creation period are in the very center of that inwardness and, by that factor, are closer to Me and, by that factor, have the least degree of relativity. They can be considered almost absolute. I say ‘almost’ because, after all, they were created. Therefore, they cannot be absolute. But they come very close to it. In their position, being that, under the available nature, form and manifestation of the positive state, they are in the purest state as related to My positiveness, they could never come up with the idea of invention and activation of anything even remotely related to the negative state. In other words, although they do have the option or alternative of rejecting Me as the only Source of their life, it would never occur to them to put that option or alternative to the test.

However, as the creation of My Creation proceeds further, in each round (symbolically speaking), by the factor of greater remoteness from the center of inwardness or from the center of Absolute Positiveness, the sentient entities in succession acquire a greater and greater degree of relativity to the Absolute. When you arrive to the sentient entities positioned at the level of or within the external-physical dimension, by the factor of its external position, they become the most relative to the Absolute. Because the nature of the most relative is such that it acquires all knowledges and experiences by experimentation and exploration, and makes conclusions about the truth based on them, it can easily find itself in the position of having a strong need and desire to put the content of such rejected ideas to the test. It is on this level that the questions of this nature were about to enter the sentient mind. In order to test anything, you first need to ask questions so that you can determine what kind of testing is necessary to undertake in order to receive the most satisfactory answers or to come to the right conclusions. Once that question is asked, because it is asked by the sentient entities who are in a position of providing feedback to all other levels of Creation, by the factor of interconnectedness of all and everything, all sentient entities become aware that the question was asked. In no way are they the initiators of such questions. They are only their registrants.

The hypothetical remote positioning of all sentient entities at the level of the external-physical dimension from the core of the Absolute Positiveness, even if they are purely positive in their nature, makes their positiveness the most relative. From the extreme relative state of their positiveness, being that they have no experience of what it is to be Absolutely Positive, they can easily end in doubting whether they are really positive if there is nothing out there against which they can compare their positiveness with something which is not so. This is how the beginning of the invention and activation of the negative state was made possible. So, it is very clear that evil or the negative state can occur at this level as a need for comparison between the two states. Once they compare it, it gives them reassurance that they are really positive and in the positive state. Such is the nature of this type of relativity, the degree of which is the most extreme. It underlies all aspects of the external- physical dimension. This is the way it is in the structural design of Creation.

The third issue which was instrumental in making it possible for the invention and activation of the negative state to come to the relative sentient mind on the external-physical dimension, can be found in the nature of the positive state itself. What was/is the current status of the positive state? As you clearly remember, the positive state has never yet been in the state of its fullness and completeness. In My foresight for the necessity to allow the non-life of the negative state and human non-life to come into their pseudo-being and pseudo-existence, it was not possible to activate all aspects of the positive state to such a degree that it would be manifested in its fullness and completeness. Why is it so? Think about what would happen if I were to put the true life of the positive state in the condition of its fullness and completeness. In that case, it would not be possible to give any sentient entity the option or alternative for not agreeing with anything contained in My Absolute Nature or the nature of the positive state. By not having such an option or alternative, they would all be put into a position of no freedom of choice but instead, into the necessity of being positive only. As you remember from the Big Book, to have only one option or alternative, is to have none. In that case, all conditions of freedom of choice would be violated. Something like that is impossible to envision if you take into consideration that I am the Absolute Freedom Itself. I cannot create anyone from any other position but from what I have and what I am.

Before the full activation of the fullness and completeness of the positive state is possible, it is necessary to give all sentient entities an opportunity to experience some other mode of life (non-life) in order that they would have firm ground on which they could make an eternal decision whether they would like to have something else besides the true life of the positive state. Under this condition, in order to make it possible to illustrate and demonstrate all other forms and states of life (non-life), it is impossible to activate the fullness and completeness of the positive state. Simply stated, the full exposure of all aspects of the true life of the positive state would make it utterly impossible for any other type of life to be manifested. In that case though, being locked in only one mode of life, having no other choice and comparison of how it is not to be in the positive state, the sentient mind of all those who are positioned on the level of the physical-external dimension would be tortured by eternal doubts about whether they are or are not in the true life. In that case, what kind of feedback or message would they be giving to all other dimensions and their respective levels? They would be constantly conveying a state of doubt. That kind of state in itself and by itself is negative. So, they would be plaguing the entire Creation by this kind of negativity. Under these conditions, would it be possible for anyone to really experience the fullness and completeness of the positive state? Of course not.

So, in order to prevent anything like that from ever happening, you give all sentient entities an option to experience something else so that they can make a real choice, based on their own free will and free choice, to choose only the life of the positive state. Once they make such an ultimate choice, it is then, and only then, that the original idea of rejecting Me as the Only Source of their lives can be removed and, following that, the fullness and completeness of the true life of the positive state can become reality. This is what is meant by My statement in the Apocalypse, ‘Behold I make everything new’ and by the statement, ‘It is done.’ Nothing can be done until all options and alternatives given to all sentient entities at all levels of Creation, as well as now at the level of the pseudo-creation, are tried out and discarded as useless and futile commodities leading nowhere. However, you cannot discard them or get rid of them until they illustrate and demonstrate all aspects of their pseudo-life or what never to choose.

Desider’s question did not take into consideration these important factors or issues. If you think logically, by the true logic of the positive state, and not by the pseudo-logic of the typical human mind, you can clearly discern that there was no other way than to proceed in this manner in order to preserve the true freedom of choice of everyone. For that reason and with this in mind, only certain limited aspects of the true life of the positive state were put into motion so as to not interfere with the freedom of choice itself. With having only such limited aspects available, in relationship to the relative sentient entities, it is difficult to speak about the absolute purity of the positive state. There was no such thing as pure and absolute purity. It was/is all relative even as applied to the present true life of everyone in the positive state.

Not having this pure purity, the way it is within Me, it is not impossible at all to come up with an idea of something which is not pure. If it is not pure, then, from that step to the next step of the conception of evil, is only a very short distance. After all, the sentient mind is not an unthinking, unwilling, unfree and unfeeling automaton. Even if it is relative, it was endowed with all kinds of properties which would make it possible for it, independently, to think, to will, to feel, to make all kinds of decisions, to be inventive, etc., for itself and by itself. In the process of utilizing these ample abilities, and having all kinds of opportunities, being inventive in all aspects of its life, it could also discover something which is not of the positive nature or from Me. This is its eternal prerogative. Not having the absolute state of positiveness in its relative life, by that factor, and by the factor of the needs to be inventive, which needs and abilities were engrained in its relative sentient mind, it could very easily come up with all those existential questions which led eventually to the invention, activation, establishment and manifestation of the negative state with all its evils and falsities.

And this is all that can be answered to Desider’s first question. Go ahead, Peter, and paraphrase his second question.

Peter: His second question goes something as follows: The Author of TNR (meaning You, The Lord Jesus Christ) is claiming that He/She is the Absolute Truth, The Absolute Positiveness and The Absolute Being. On the other hand, all created or pseudo-created sentient entities are relative beings, limited in their abilities to grasp anything… . The question is: Can it logically be possible that anybody with his/her limited ability to grasp anything could recognize that the Author of TNR is the Absolute: The Absolute Truth, Unlimited Positiveness, Unlimited Wisdom, etc.? In my view, if I look at something which is greater than my limited perception can grasp, in that case I cannot recognize whether that something — beyond the horizon of my perception — has some limitations or not. End of the second question.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Also, the answer to this question is fully deducible from everything contained in My New Revelation. Even though the structure of the human mind is such that it is the most limited and limiting as compared with anyone else’s in My Creation, nevertheless, it was equipped with many tools which can give anyone, who properly and with right intention and motivation uses them, a convincing sense that The Lord Jesus Christ is Absolute in all His/Her Attributes, Traits and Characteristics. The human mind has such spiritual and mental faculties as trust, faith, confidence, beliefs and their derivatives — logic, reason, rationality, intelligence, deductive and inductive abilities, analysis and synthesis and the ability to make the right conclusions based on observation, inner and outer experiences and on many other similar factors. The greater tool of them all, which has been available to the human mind is — intuition. By the means of your intuition you can very convincingly come to the right conclusion about this matter. These are the general faculties which can be utilized for such a purpose.

Take, for example, the following facts: If you carefully analyze your individual and personal life, and in the process, if you ask questions about the source of human life in general and your own life in particular, you inevitably have to come to the conclusion that you are not the source of your life. You are not the one who gave you that life. You are not the originator of any life. That the two people — your parents — were the ones through whom you became alive and living, does not logically make them the ultimate source and originators of your personal and individualized life because they themselves were not the originators of their own life. You can track their life all the way back through all posterities and you still cannot find anyone or anything that could be considered the source and origin of the sentient life, or any life at all. Did life come from some kind of accidental combination of particles of some kind of cosmic stew which did not contain anything alive and living? Even if you could convincingly postulate that such a stew, as postulated by your biology scientists, contains some kind of organic organism, which might be able to initiate some forms of life, from which, by the evolutional process, higher forms of life developed all the way to the sentient life, you still would have to ask who or what put such an organism in that stew. After all, it could not come about out of nothing. From nothing can originate only nothing. This is an irrefutable logical inference.

For these reasons, based on the fact that nothing of the relative nature could be the origin and source of life or have any ability to produce life from, by, of and in itself, it must have some originating source. Because, logically speaking, this originating source cannot be relative, in that case, it must be Absolute. And not only that, but by logical inference, it must be Absolute Life in, of, by and from Itself, without any originating source. It cannot have any origin because, in that case, it would not be Absolute. And this is the Absolute Truth. Due to the fact that life as such is the most fundamental occurrence in the multiverse, and that the multiverse functions and is possible by the functions of the life of the sentient entities who are the carriers of such life in their relative to the Absolute condition; and because it is good to live and to be alive, and to be that way is nothing but positiveness, you can easily conclude that such Absolute Life is Absolute Positiveness, Goodness, Love, Wisdom, etc. And not only that, but, based on your own awareness of self- awareness of your ‘I am who I am,’ which makes you sentient, you can come to the irrefutable conclusion that this Absolute Origin and Source of Life, is Absolute Sentience and the only One Who is Absolutely Self- Aware of His/Her Own Absolute ‘I AM WHO I AM.’

The other source of this knowledge is by a direct revelation from the Absolute Source of Life Himself/Herself. Being that everyone alive and living is relative, and because, by the factor of this relativity itself, their ability to know is limited and very often inconclusive, I, The Lord Jesus Christ, throughout their history, supplement this gap in their knowledge of these important spiritual matters by providing them with an occasional revelation in this respect. Of course, for the scientific mind, which is rooted in the external or so-called ‘objective’ mode of deriving any knowledge from observation, gathering external experiences and data, analyzing these data and experimenting with them by the manner of numerous replications, anything which comes to them by the means of such revelation is an invalid source of knowledge. Such revelations cannot be a subject of verification by whatever scientific tools are available to the scientists. However, in reality, in the true reality of such revelations, if they are coming directly from the True Me, they always make irrefutable common sense. As you say it, Peter, whatever I reveal to you, makes perfect sense.

Tell me truthfully, is there anything out there that really makes sense in these important matters? Think about it and you will see that it is so. And this is all that can be said about Desider’s second question. The rest of it depends on his, and anyone else’s free will and choice to accept or to reject these facts. The choice is theirs; so are the consequences. You may proceed, Peter, and paraphrase Desider’s third question.

Peter: Actually, the third question has three additional sub-questions. Here it goes: I understand that before my incarnation on planet Zero there was an agreement between The Lord Jesus Christ and myself about everything I should or shouldn’t do and how to act, think, behave, relate, etc., while I am on this planet. While making such an agreement I was in full conscious knowledge — in the state of my innermost mind — that The Lord Jesus Christ is The Absolute Truth and that therefore, it would be for my best to do what I was recommended and to what I agreed to do and to be. Then my conscious memory about this agreement was shut down and I was put in the state of my external mind, and then I incarnated… . My question is: Why should or how could I decide to do such a contradictory thing as to do anything against or in deviation from the content of that agreement, making myself to sin and to suffer, if my agreement was by my free will and free choice? And: Who is responsible for closing down my memories, and putting me in the state of my external mind, doing many foolish and evil things, and who is fully responsible for why I cannot remember anything correctly… . And one more: Is it possible by the studying of The New Revelation, if at all, for me as a typical human, during my life on planet Zero, to make or to open my memory about this so as to acknowledge whether that agreement between The Lord Jesus Christ and myself was really made and what exactly its content was? End of the question and its sub-questions.

The Lord Jesus Christ: First of all, there is a misperception of the issue about the agreement. It is assumed that something can happen to you which was not a part of the original agreement or further additions, supplements or modifications to that agreement — if necessary and needed — to which the agreement was made likewise. So, if someone is doing something bad or evil (‘sinful’) or experiences some kind of suffering or hard times or hardships in general, it was all part of the agreement to go through all of that. Nothing can happen or be that would not be agreed upon for some reason or other. Otherwise, it would be in gross violation of one’s freedom of choice in making such an agreement and being subjected to something which is not of the original or even subsequent choice. In this sense, no contradiction exists between any of your current behavior, or during your behavior, attitude, lifestyle, or whatever you have on planet Zero, and the original agreement and its possible additions, modifications and supplements. And the reason you agreed to everything which has been and will be happening to you during your tour of duty on planet Zero, was because important learning for all about the nature of the non-life, or what kind of life never to choose, far outweighs any misery and suffering to which you may be subjected during that time.

At the same time, in order to make it at all possible to go through any type of experiences which occur on planet Zero, and which, in most instances are of a negative nature, it was necessary to remove any memories about the articles of agreement in this respect so that the genuineness and authenticity of them would be preserved and not violated. If you were to have those memories preserved even after your incarnation on planet Zero, with all the memories of the knowledge of the true life of the positive state, albeit in its incomplete and non-full condition, you would avoid at all cost to do anything which would contradict the nature of the positive state. In that case, you would be in violation of the articles of our agreement. It is impossible to do anything evil or negative, and thus, to provide the needed lessons about what not to choose, if you have all the memories about the true life of the positive state and if you are aware that you agreed to do foolish, stupid, negative, evil or ‘sinful’ deeds to the utter contradiction to anything contained in the positive state. With that kind of knowledge or with those kinds of memories, you would completely fail in your mission. From this viewpoint you may conclude that the responsibility for closing down your memories about these matters in all their aspects, is fully yours. In fact, in order for you to be the way you agreed to be while living on planet Zero, you, personally, by your own free will and choice, requested that all your memories about all of this would become unavailable during your stay on this planet.

In order not to violate this agreement, and, at the very same time, in order to give you the full opportunity to fulfill everything to which you agreed, you also agreed not to have any possibility of having those memories restored to you by any means, including by the means of My New Revelation, and also, that it was the agreement which was made between Me and you.

Knowing that, or having such memories, would be compelling you to do things consciously which should be done by your own free will and choice under the condition of your life on planet Zero. In order for human non- life to have some kind of sense, it is necessary to give you the impression that whatever you do or do not do, is by your own volition. If you were to have memories that it was by prior agreement, the factor of volition would be nullified and only the compelling factors would remain. Under such conditions, if something is done only because you have no choice in the matter (from the position of your external mind), no true learning can occur. Because humans’ non-life is vested in externals and their external mind, the awareness must exist that whatever is happening to them on planet Zero, is engrained in the nature of that life itself and not because of some kind of agreement to go through all of that. Only under these conditions can true learning take place. So, because of all the above, your memories can be opened only after you leave planet Zero. And this is all that can be answered to Desider’s third question. Go ahead, Peter, and paraphrase, Desider’s fourth question.

Peter: Here it goes: In response to my question mentioned in Dialog 133, The Lord Jesus Christ said that if He/She would give me, while being a typical human on planet Zero, in a step-by-step manner, some kind of experiential evidence or proof that He/She is who He/She claims to be, it would be impositional because I would have no choice but to believe it on blind faith. He/She promised me that He/She will do it after my departure from planet Zero and after my resurrection in the spiritual world. My question is: What makes the difference between the two situations?

The Lord Jesus Christ: This question disregarded the most important factors under which human non-life was allowed to be fabricated. We mentioned these factors several times before. As you remember, human life (non-life) is not the ultimate choice in itself and by itself. Instead, it is a transient and temporary occurrence for the purpose of illustration and demonstration of what not to choose, how not to be, how not to behave, how not to act, how not to relate, how not to rationalize, how not to philosophize, how not to be logical, how not to love, how not to make love, how not to do anything, how not to worship, how not to conceptualize the nature of the Creator, or My True Nature, and all other numerous ‘how not to’s.’ As long as there is something to illustrate and demonstrate of this nature, no external proof or evidence can be given about who I am, because in that case, humans would be locked up in this transient and temporary situation. By that factor, they would find themselves in making an ultimate choice to be the way they are without any possibility of being saved from their mode of non-life. After all, I came and proved to them beyond a shadow of a doubt that I AM WHO I AM, and by the very factor of such evidence and proof, their non-life, therefore, is the true life and because of that, it is the life of the ultimate choice without any possibility or even need to change anything of that nature. In other words, by such evidence and proof I would cancel the illustrative and demonstrative nature of human non-life, turning it into a permanent condition without any possibility of its termination. If this were ever to happen, the negative state and its human non-life could never be eliminated and they would have to stay forever. In that case though, the fullness and completeness of the positive state could not come to its fruition likewise. Simply stated, everyone would be locked-in forever in the currently existing condition. By that factor, this cycle of time/state/process could never be closed and the new opened.

It is an entirely different story once anyone from the human non-life departs planet Zero. At the moment of their departure, the illustrative and demonstrative phase of their personal and individualized lives will end for good and forever. Following their arrival in the spiritual world, they are put into a position of making their ultimate choice — by their own free will and free choice (do not forget that during their stay on planet Zero the choice was not to have any other choice but what the temporary chosen human non-life had to offer!). Under these conditions, no impositional factors could be in place. Therefore, presenting such evidence or proof about Who I am, is no longer impositional but is being made on the basis of everyone’s free will and free choice.

To repeat again: In the course of human non-life, it is by choice not to have free will and free choice. To provide external evidence and proof about Who I am under the condition of human non-life of no freedom and no choice, is to validate their no freedom and no choice condition to eternity. This is one of the major reasons why it would be detrimental to all, and not only to humans, if I were to provide such external evidence and proof. Nothing more can be said about this issue. If these facts are unable to convince anyone about the need for this situation, nothing else will — no matter who says what.

At this point, Peter, I would recommend to finish for today so that you can take a well-deserved rest.

Peter: I’ll do so. And thank You very much for Your willingness to repeat all these issues again in spite of the fact that they were explained in Your New Revelation many times before.

The Lord Jesus Christ: Well, taking into consideration that you are, after all, humans, it is necessary to do so. Go in peace.

Source: DIALOGUES WITH THE LORD JESUS ​​CHRIST PART 2.

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